Future Campus Framework Presentation...

[xc84]

If you gave a gift to have a park named after you and the park became a plaza...

Let's call Bird Libary the Bird Book Repository and get some more money from it.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Suddenly the folks at the September Opener wished SU didn't call Carrier's Bluff and paid for AC.

Threaten to put in Trane, Bryant, American Standard etc air conditioning in the Carrier dome and name the concourse the Trane Trail etc.

 

[reedny]

Let's call Bird Libary the Bird Book Repository and get some more money from it.

lol. How 'bout naming a "Carrier Corner" ... since that's all they paid for.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Let's call Bird Libary the Bird Book Repository and get some more money from it.

Walnut Park would be the new grassy knoll?

 

[shandeezy7]

I know I worked on Turner projects in the past,but can't seem to place where other than knowing I walked into a gate with their name on a banner.To me the one who writes your paycheck is easier to remember than a manager. I am guessing it was a powerhouse or refinery...

http://www.turner-industries.com/what-we-do/

FWIW...Companies make their real money on extras and rework with renos...The price goes way up and they can hold Syracuse hostage and settle the charges after the infighting.

Sounds real ethical...

 

[retro44]

That is a different company.

http://www.turnerconstruction.com/

yeah your right it appears as I just googled Turner and this is what popped up so I just pasted it.

They do have a Syracuse office that is permanent here and I saw what I had worked on. Cornell University.

While working on Syracuse's Life Sciences building they were building SUNY -ESF building right next door basically.Cool looking building I say.

I can remember looking out of the upper floors of Life Sciences and watching them put up this roof design.

 

[retro44]

Sounds real ethical...

Nature of the Business as you bid low and hope their is a ton of re-work to be had and on Renovations there will be lots.

Then the real work begins is on how to battle out the billing that will follow.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Toga]

Night games are going to be off the hook.

 

[TexanMark]

Threaten to put in Trane, Bryant, American Standard etc air conditioning in the Carrier dome and name the concourse the Trane Trail etc.

And after every TD...The Express Trane Toots the horn.

 

[OttoMets]

Don't know if its in the planned budget, but don't be surprised if the Arch is connected to the Dome.

This was an initial plan (and a cool one), but I've heard they've moved away from that.

 

[shandeezy7]

Nature of the Business as you bid low and hope their is a ton of re-work to be had and on Renovations there will be lots.

Then the real work begins is on how to battle out the billing that will follow.

Not in the construction industry, so not familiar with the terms, but what is re-work? Work that needs to be done over because it was not done properly? How does the contractor get paid for fixing their own shoddy work?

 

[sutomcat]

Night games are going to be off the hook.

The new roof will be considerably higher than the old one but will be hard, so I expect it will be better at reflecting noise, rather than absorbing it. Should make for a louder venue.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Night games are going to be off the hook.

But I thought we hated Friday Night games?

 

[Finwad32]

Not in the construction industry, so not familiar with the terms, but what is re-work? Work that needs to be done over because it was not done properly? How does the contractor get paid for fixing their own shoddy work?

add-ons - stuff that wasn't in the original bid or added afterwards. Then, in addition to that, you could get a service contract or any work that needs to be done in the future with respect to that project.

I'm assuming this is what he means.

 

[shandeezy7]

add-ons - stuff that wasn't in the original bid or added afterwards. Then, in addition to that, you could get a service contract or any work that needs to be done in the future with respect to that project.

I'm assuming this is what he means.

Gotchya, that makes more sense

 

[retro44]

Not in the construction industry, so not familiar with the terms, but what is re-work? Work that needs to be done over because it was not done properly? How does the contractor get paid for fixing their own shoddy work?

Rework to what was bid in the original contract. In Renos. you come across work that was totally missed by both parties in the bids.Or in lots of cases left out knowing you will cash in later.

Dirty business that all do it and just look at the Big Dig out in Boston,Bechtel cashed in big time on that one.

 

[TheCusian]

Let's call Bird Libary the Bird Book Repository and get some more money from it.

Ha! Good idea.

Not the same though. How about removing all the books and adding computer labs and study space? Still a library?

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Well, this answers my earlier question. Dribs and drabs it is...

And probably plenty of opportunities for functional illiterates such as Andrea Adelson to screw up the facts.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Night games are going to be off the hook.

During snow storms downtown skies often carry a hazy yellow-to-pink aura. The effect is created by all the ice crystals reflecting and refracting city lights. This is apparent if you live in the suburbs and can look out towards the downtown horizon. With the new translucent roof, I thought this might present an interesting backdrop for some of the basketball games.

 

[OttoMets]

Yes. I would expect the introduction of ramps too.

Watching the local news, Pete Sala said the new roof will use the same roof ring as the existing roof. He also says it will be a lot higher than the existing roof. I am sure the roof will be slanted to stop the snow from building up.

I am worried about the roof ring comment. Hoe that doesn't mean the concourses are going to stay crazy narrow.

I'm a little surprised to hear the comment about the roof ring. Not sure that's accurate, but it's not condemning us to tight concourses even if it is true - changing the roof technology will allow SU to do some new things outside the building envelope that the need to keep a tightly-sealed building prevented them from doing before.

A couple possibilities I heard (before the funding was approved):
Expanding the first level out near where the northeast and southeast gates are currently (this could also allow for vertical movement between concourses); Using a game-day third-level open-air concourse where the alley between Archbold and the Dome is. This would be modeled after Eutaw Street at Camden Yards and would allow SU to preserve the alley as an alley but also incorporate some outside vending/gathering space for football games.

 

[OttoMets]

I know many people don't like Miner but I think she's had a pretty good relationship with the university during her time in office. Speaking of Joanie, I wonder if Cuomo is going to come up with any extra funds for this project

Not on Preet's watch.

 

[GoSU96]

Gotchya, that makes more sense

It's what happens when a buyer goes into a project without a solid set of requirements and/or is not equipped to handle change management properly.

A reputable contractor that has done a lot of stadium renovations is not going to get the benefit of the doubt on "oops" in a bid.

But if SU is squishy on the requirements and asks for bunch of changes during the course of the project, they deserve what they get.

This isn't that complicated a project. The roof engineering and expanding the width of the concourse will be hard part and where most of the money goes, but the list of things being changed doesn't appear to be long.

 

[Franz69]

PROJECT AT A GLANCE

• Client: Madison Square Garden
• Location: New York, NY

Having built the original Madison Square Garden in 1962, Turner completed a full-scale renovation of the facility. This fast-track renovation, completed in 41 months, took place over four consecutive summers to accommodate Madison Square Garden's on-going event operations.

Using the Garden's original footprint, the scope of work included a redesigned Seventh Avenue entrance, restoration of the world-famous ceiling, comfortable seating with improved sight lines, and wider and more spacious public concourses featuring seating areas and views of the city. In addition, Turner installed updated lighting, sound, and high definition video systems, entertainment and bar areas overlooking the arena, 68 improved mid-level suites both in size and proximity to the arena's floor, 20 floor-level suites, improved dressing rooms, locker rooms, production rooms and production offices for athletes and performers, and an upper level with a fan and group sales party deck with bars and buffets.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm a little surprised to hear the comment about the roof ring. Not sure that's accurate, but it's not condemning us to tight concourses even if it is true - changing the roof technology will allow SU to do some new things outside the building envelope that the need to keep a tightly-sealed building prevented them from doing before.

A couple possibilities I heard (before the funding was approved):
Expanding the first level out near where the northeast and southeast gates are currently (this could also allow for vertical movement between concourses); Using a game-day third-level open-air concourse where the alley between Archbold and the Dome is. This would be modeled after Eutaw Street at Camden Yards and would allow SU to preserve the alley as an alley but also incorporate some outside vending/gathering space for football games.

I was thinking the same thing. Need to figure out the security aspects but without the airdock it could open up the outside stairs for use more between levels and lessen traffic on the inside.