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BBQuse

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I get it. I've been a fan for 40 years and where the program is right now stinks. I used to look forward to each game and watch every second of each, win or lose. The last few years, the joy of anticipation has turned into a fear/depression and I've found myself turning off some games well before the end. Worst of all, my kids are missing out on making the awesome memories that I take for granted. They've never known SU as a perpetual NCAAT participant (never mind threat to win every year). That being said, the "burn it all down now" mentality, where people think our players stink, our coaches stink and we aren't even going to qualify for the ACCT is just totally over the top. We've heard similar whining at the start of every year the last few years and, despite it all, we were able to creep back onto the bubble. Now maybe this is the year that doesn't happen, and JJ's injury is going to make things a lot more difficult, but we have some really impressive young talent and there is definitely a chance for improvement (just like last year). It might be too little too late, but with the class we have coming in next year, the doom and gloom is just a little over the top. To be clear, I'm not ok even with just being on the bubble, but I think it's just too early to be throwing in the towel on this year or the Red era. That time will come soon enough if things don't improve drastically by next year, but I'm willing to suffer just a bit longer to see where things go. Hopefully up.
 
I get it. I've been a fan for 40 years and where the program is right now stinks. I used to look forward to each game and watch every second of each, win or lose. The last few years, the joy of anticipation has turned into a fear/depression and I've found myself turning off some games well before the end. Worst of all, my kids are missing out on making the awesome memories that I take for granted. They've never known SU as a perpetual NCAAT participant (never mind threat to win every year). That being said, the "burn it all down now" mentality, where people think our players stink, our coaches stink and we aren't even going to qualify for the ACCT is just totally over the top. We've heard similar whining at the start of every year the last few years and, despite it all, we were able to creep back onto the bubble. Now maybe this is the year that doesn't happen, and JJ's injury is going to make things a lot more difficult, but we have some really impressive young talent and there is definitely a chance for improvement (just like last year). It might be too little too late, but with the class we have coming in next year, the doom and gloom is just a little over the top. To be clear, I'm not ok even with just being on the bubble, but I think it's just too early to be throwing in the towel on this year or the Red era. That time will come soon enough if things don't improve drastically by next year, but I'm willing to suffer just a bit longer to see where things go. Hopefully up.
“Creep back onto the bubble”? When was that?
 
We've heard similar whining at the start of every year the last few years and, despite it all, we were able to creep back onto the bubble.

You aren’t living in reality, sir. This never happened anywhere except this board, we were NEVER on any bubble watches
 
“Creep back onto the bubble”? When was that?
If that was your take-away from my post, you missed the point. My point was that we improved from pretty horrific starts and at least put ourselves in a position to have a chance. Last year we were one win away from finishing 4th in the ACC. We may still not have made the NCAAT, but that's a long ways away from the unmitigated disaster some are implying. Again, I'm not at all happy with where we are now or the last decade, I just think people are being a little too dramatic in describing just how dire the situation is given it's December 4th.
 
If that was your take-away from my post, you missed the point. My point was that we improved from pretty horrific starts and at least put ourselves in a position to have a chance. Last year we were one win away from finishing 4th in the ACC. We may still not have made the NCAAT, but that's a long ways away from the unmitigated disaster some are implying. Again, I'm not at all happy with where we are now or the last decade, I just think people are being a little too dramatic in describing just how dire the situation is given it's December 4th.
I know what you’re saying and I’m generally one of the most optimistic posters here. But it is very obvious that this is worse than anything we have seen here.
 
I know what you’re saying and I’m generally one of the most optimistic posters here. But it is very obvious that this is worse than anything we have seen here.

Echo that sentiment. We are beyond a belief without evidence point here. There is clear evidence of a system on both sides of the ball that is not conducive to winning at the level needed.
 
I know what you’re saying and I’m generally one of the most optimistic posters here. But it is very obvious that this is worse than anything we have seen here.
I guess maybe I'm just a fool, but I hope I'm not. I just see that there is still potential on this team if they don't mentally throw in the towel. JJ's injury may have put a nail in our coffin, but I still don't think it's crazy for us to win the rest of the non-conference slate and be in the middle of the pack ACC, still playing meaningful games in late February. Is that what we should be aspiring to -- absolutely not. But it will keep me watching and dreaming. And, fwiw, so far it's not worse than anything we have seen -- just look at our first 10 games the last two years -- it was just as bad (both margins and teams we lost to), if not worse.
 
Maybe we will win an ACC game. Maybe we won't.

We could win 10 and it wont mean much given the state of the ACC. The ACC is a disaster so far and pretty much getting manhandled by every other power conference with bad losses to boot.

We may need football to keep pushing forward and Fran shocking the world to give an assist to get a fire under getting hoops back where it belongs.
 
63/67 P4 teams in the NET. Would be last in the SEC and Big 12; second to last in the Big. If this is Red’s Orange Standard, consider me unimpressed.
If that was your take-away from my post, you missed the point. My point was that we improved from pretty horrific starts and at least put ourselves in a position to have a chance. Last year we were one win away from finishing 4th in the ACC. We may still not have made the NCAAT, but that's a long ways away from the unmitigated disaster some are implying. Again, I'm not at all happy with where we are now or the last decade, I just think people are being a little too dramatic in describing just how dire the situation is given it's December 4th.
Every One wants results like Fran had. Good recruits are coming. Red needed to do better at point guard for sure, but could not forsee Lampkins back or JJ injury. Tennessee is not better at every position because of Barnes’ scary coaching, it’s $$$$$$$. Does anyone think red didn’t want Kentuckys transfers, and “chose these guys instead?”.

Acc/Big east coaches are going to have to be masters at roster construction while SEC just pays for the best.
 
I'm going to throw my phone if I get one more "We just gotta be patient" text lol
I was never saying we need to be patient. I'm not patient -- I've been frustrated beyond belief for years. I also wasn't super happy with the Red hire. None of that was my point. My point was that it's just not nearly as horrendous as folks are making it out to be a handful of games into the season and the "we're not winning another game the whole season" crap is just stupid. Just like the last couple of years where we got slapped down early and lost to the likes of Colgate and Bryant, we still were playing meaningful basketball late into the season. So instead of bad mouthing everyone, let's hope for the best for this team and, if they do as badly as most are predicting, at the end of the season I too may be on the burn it all down bandwagon. I'm just not there yet.
 
I'm going to throw my phone if I get one more "We just gotta be patient" text lol

Wait a little, save a lot. (on Tickets).

But I agree with BBQuse, we were not going to beat Tennessee, just the point spread hurts. We go into Brooklyn and stink it up against MD, that would really hurt. Beat ND, and go into the New Years Eve Game against Wake Forest on a 5 game win streak. ... Would be nice.

Lets look at the big picture. We have a shot of being 10-3 to start 2025. I would sign up for that now.

GO CUSE
 
We could win 10 and it wont mean much given the state of the ACC. The ACC is a disaster so far and pretty much getting manhandled by every other power conference with bad losses to boot.

We may need football to keep pushing forward and Fran shocking the world to give an assist to get a fire under getting hoops back where it belongs.
That’s sort of what I’ve been saying in a few posts. The ACC is a disaster for the same reasons we are not so good. We are all in the same boat. Some people here act like it’s just us and are not all seeing the big picture.
 
That’s sort of what I’ve been saying in a few posts. The ACC is a disaster for the same reasons we are not so good. We are all in the same boat. Some people here act like it’s just us and are not all seeing the big picture.

It may not just be us but for us, given the significance of our hoops program historically, it’s a bigger issue and problem. That said the state of college hoops and athletics is going to challenge what is practical for a program like SU. Things like Micron for instance weigh heavily in bringing more people, resources and attention to the area and given unknowns that always exist with things like that means there are persistent unknowns altogether.

I feel like at some point we need to have an even stronger connection to NYC/NJ and find a way to play more games in the city even if that’s at the expense of using our Dome as an advantage. There has to be a path to building a bigger financial base around the school and program and that may need to include a new chancellor.
 
I get it. I've been a fan for 40 years and where the program is right now stinks. I used to look forward to each game and watch every second of each, win or lose. The last few years, the joy of anticipation has turned into a fear/depression and I've found myself turning off some games well before the end. Worst of all, my kids are missing out on making the awesome memories that I take for granted. They've never known SU as a perpetual NCAAT participant (never mind threat to win every year). That being said, the "burn it all down now" mentality, where people think our players stink, our coaches stink and we aren't even going to qualify for the ACCT is just totally over the top. We've heard similar whining at the start of every year the last few years and, despite it all, we were able to creep back onto the bubble. Now maybe this is the year that doesn't happen, and JJ's injury is going to make things a lot more difficult, but we have some really impressive young talent and there is definitely a chance for improvement (just like last year). It might be too little too late, but with the class we have coming in next year, the doom and gloom is just a little over the top. To be clear, I'm not ok even with just being on the bubble, but I think it's just too early to be throwing in the towel on this year or the Red era. That time will come soon enough if things don't improve drastically by next year, but I'm willing to suffer just a bit longer to see where things go. Hopefully up.

With all due respect SU's about to miss the NCAA tournament for the fourth year in a row. For this program missing two is a major issue, four is a five alarm fire. This might be the worst defensive team in the modern area (even worse then the Boehiem Bros season) and they have barely beat the 4 non power teams they have played and needed OT and a dude falling down to do it. If anything the panic level isn't high enough
 
With all due respect SU's about to miss the NCAA tournament for the fourth year in a row. For this program missing two is a major issue, four is a five alarm fire. This might be the worst defensive team in the modern area (even worse then the Boehiem Bros season) and they have barely beat the 4 non power teams they have played and needed OT and a dude falling down to do it. If anything the panic level isn't high enough

The lights are, and have been, blinking red.

I'm all for rooting like all get out for the team to win. Have hope. But there is no way to spin this - we are in dire straits.
 
I get it. I've been a fan for 40 years and where the program is right now stinks. I used to look forward to each game and watch every second of each, win or lose. The last few years, the joy of anticipation has turned into a fear/depression and I've found myself turning off some games well before the end. Worst of all, my kids are missing out on making the awesome memories that I take for granted. They've never known SU as a perpetual NCAAT participant (never mind threat to win every year). That being said, the "burn it all down now" mentality, where people think our players stink, our coaches stink and we aren't even going to qualify for the ACCT is just totally over the top. We've heard similar whining at the start of every year the last few years and, despite it all, we were able to creep back onto the bubble. Now maybe this is the year that doesn't happen, and JJ's injury is going to make things a lot more difficult, but we have some really impressive young talent and there is definitely a chance for improvement (just like last year). It might be too little too late, but with the class we have coming in next year, the doom and gloom is just a little over the top. To be clear, I'm not ok even with just being on the bubble, but I think it's just too early to be throwing in the towel on this year or the Red era. That time will come soon enough if things don't improve drastically by next year, but I'm willing to suffer just a bit longer to see where things go. Hopefully up.
Your first six sentences—
That‘s essentially what is being discussed. You feel that way, too, but you’re complaining that people are actually discussing the Whys and Ways to resolve that? You’re allowed to have those feelings, and also to decide how we should process them?

Not sure where the “creep back onto the bubble” thing comes from. Even if that were true, it should never be used as a rationalization for maintaining status quo. Not good enough. And now we’re substantially worse than that.

Sure, we have ‘nice’ freshmen coming in. But again—freshmen are not the way toward significant gains. Yes, Moore had an outstanding game yesterday. But Freeman didn’t. He looked like a Freshman. Again. A team of freshmen will be abused by talented, older, stronger players, and that’s what you have in top 25 teams and teams we’re competing against to “creep back onto the bubble.” Sadiq and Kiyan are thin, finesse players. What would they have managed yesterday against the Tenn thugs?

Nice, that you’re willing to suffer a little bit longer. I wonder, though—what is a little bit longer? And why do you get to decide how much longer is reasonable and not “over the top?” Does your little bit longer factor in the little bit longer under JB or was the clock started anew for Red? More importantly, how bad do we have to be for you to know “it’s time?” What’s your signal? Honest question—no snark. I kinda feel like this is another example of the frog in the pot of water analogy I used before…. It’s a comfortably warm bath for a while. It won’t Be dangerous for “a little while longer.”
 
If that was your take-away from my post, you missed the point. My point was that we improved from pretty horrific starts and at least put ourselves in a position to have a chance. Last year we were one win away from finishing 4th in the ACC. We may still not have made the NCAAT, but that's a long ways away from the unmitigated disaster some are implying. Again, I'm not at all happy with where we are now or the last decade, I just think people are being a little too dramatic in describing just how dire the situation is given it's December 4th.
How we do during the regular season matters.
How we do in the post-season matters.

We are striking out in both areas and have been so for quite a long time.

If you are unsatisfied, depressed, numb, whatever the feeling may be, the question you should be asking is "how much longer should we accept this?" and "when do we see light and a rebirth?"

The obsession with keeping red to save next year's recruits is way over the top UNLESS you think this is strictly a talent problem. And many of us strongly agree this is goes waaaaay beyond talent issues.
 
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Your first six sentences—
That‘s essentially what is being discussed. You feel that way, too, but you’re complaining that people are actually discussing the Whys and Ways to resolve that? You’re allowed to have those feelings, and also to decide how we should process them?

Not sure where the “creep back onto the bubble” thing comes from. Even if that were true, it should never be used as a rationalization for maintaining status quo. Not good enough. And now we’re substantially worse than that.

Sure, we have ‘nice’ freshmen coming in. But again—freshmen are not the way toward significant gains. Yes, Moore had an outstanding game yesterday. But Freeman didn’t. He looked like a Freshman. Again. A team of freshmen will be abused by talented, older, stronger players, and that’s what you have in top 25 teams and teams we’re competing against to “creep back onto the bubble.” Sadiq and Kiyan are thin, finesse players. What would they have managed yesterday against the Tenn thugs?

Nice, that you’re willing to suffer a little bit longer. I wonder, though—what is a little bit longer? And why do you get to decide how much longer is reasonable and not “over the top?” Does your little bit longer factor in the little bit longer under JB or was the clock started anew for Red? More importantly, how bad do we have to be for you to know “it’s time?” What’s your signal? Honest question—no snark. I kinda feel like this is another example of the frog in the pot of water analogy I used before…. It’s a comfortably warm bath for a while. It won’t Be dangerous for “a little while longer.”

Point 1: I was just reiterating that I too am not happy. The difference is that I think it is over the top to proclaim that we are never winning another game and all the other hyperbole. That isn't true or productive. If it makes you or others feel better to say so, sure, go ahead and have those feelings and process them that way. My point was that that is not how I choose to process my frustration -- looking back at the last few years, I believe the team will win enough this season that we will have something meaningful to be cheering for late into the season. It might not be the SU we want to see or deserve to see, but it's not the cesspool people are describing either.

Point 2: I never said that creeping back onto the bubble was ok or that the status quo was ok. Where are you seeing that? I was just saying that, given where we ended up at the end of the season after truly horrific starts, it is silly to be proclaim the season over at this point. That's really my main point here -- things are bad, really bad, but not nearly as bad as people are making them out to be. There is still some hope to salvage the season, even if we still need to make changes going forward -- and I'm not denying that maybe we should be making changes going forward.

Point 3: Again, you are misreading my intent. My only point is that we have some real talent this year and more coming in next. It obviously in this era needs to be supplemented through the portal and we failed in that this year. It's premature to guess about next year. But we did what we needed to do to have some young talent, and I expect this year's group to contribute and improve in a way that will give us a chance against pretty much anyone we play if they improve and get time.

Point 4: You asked for an honest answer, so I'll give you one. I think that if we recover and end the season in the top half of the ACC, with the class coming in, I'm willing to see what Red can do with another year. If they really tank the way others are guaranteeing we will, a change should be made at the end of this season. But I think we all know that's not happening.
 
On the topic of young guys, I hope everyone realizes Kiyan Anthony and Sadiq White are not going to change anything. Very good players, but add them to a 12-win team and you're not going to be ranked. Especially given we're likely to simply swap out Donnie for Sadiq, and while I'm excited about Sadiq that's not an upgrade. Moore should be our biggest priority during the off-season, which means Kiyan probably comes off the bench.
 
How we do during the regular season matters.
How we do in the post-season matters.

We are striking out in both areas and have been so for quite a long time.

If you are unsatisfied, depressed, numb, whatever the feeling may be, the question you should be asking is "how much longer should we accept this?" and "when do we see light and a rebirth?"

The obsession with keeping red to save next year's recruits is way over the top UNLESS you think this is strictly a talent problem. And many of us strongly agree this is goes waaaaay beyond talent issues.
I'll stop with my responses, but the point of my original post was not that more patience was needed with Red or that I'm so worried about losing recruits that we better not make any changes. My point was that to say we are not winning another game, are the worst SU team in 50 years and that we don't have a single player that would start on another ACC team etc. etc. etc. is just idiotic venting. I get the frustration and totally agree that maybe we need to move in another direction. But in the here and now of 12/4/24, the season is not over and I think that, just like last year, we can get better, win some games and maybe make some noise. I'd rather cheer for that right now and save the apocalyptical stuff for the end of the season if it is warranted based on how the rest of the season goes.
 

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