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GoT Season 8

DeGrozz said:
He's in the preview for the next episode.

Unfortunately his CGI budget was taken up by 4 minutes of dragons flying through a blizzard.
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Haha is he? Good im glad hes still alive. Hate when dogs and giant dogs die.
 
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I am curious if the people in this thread are book readers or show only?

I ask because the books do not put the emphasis on the NK that the show does so I found myself not really caring the NK was dispatched because for me he was only an appetizer and not the main course. If you were a TV show only person though I could see why you were possibly disappointed.
 
Guinness said:
I am curious if the people in this thread are book readers or show only?

I ask because the books do not put the emphasis on the NK that the show does so I found myself not really caring the NK was dispatched because for me he was only an appetizer and not the main course. If you were a TV show only person though I could see why you were possibly disappointed.
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Book... and I agree. Martin did not do much with the NK plot beyond adding yet another army to the chess board that the Starks and Dany have to deal with. In my opinion Martin's original thought was very much like the Wheel of Time where the humans have to get their together and band together in order to fight off the greater evil who are threatening to wipe out mankind. But he got so lost in the human side of things that the greater evil side of things always lagged which is why Bran's story and the NK stuff was always a side plot, at least to me. I would say Jordan did a better job, but honestly WoT suffered from the same overfocus on the political stuff and only started moving forward when Sanderson took over with the goal of finishing.

The morale of the story? It's really freaking hard to write these massive epics that span thousands of pages and involve hundreds of characters and stay true to the story.
 
Guinness said:
I am curious if the people in this thread are book readers or show only?

I ask because the books do not put the emphasis on the NK that the show does so I found myself not really caring the NK was dispatched because for me he was only an appetizer and not the main course. If you were a TV show only person though I could see why you were possibly disappointed.
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I was totally book first. Now it’s been so long since the last book that I don’t know where it even left off or what I saw on the show
 
Guinness said:
I am curious if the people in this thread are book readers or show only?

I ask because the books do not put the emphasis on the NK that the show does so I found myself not really caring the NK was dispatched because for me he was only an appetizer and not the main course. If you were a TV show only person though I could see why you were possibly disappointed.
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I read the first 3 books.
 
Guinness said:
I am curious if the people in this thread are book readers or show only?

I ask because the books do not put the emphasis on the NK that the show does so I found myself not really caring the NK was dispatched because for me he was only an appetizer and not the main course. If you were a TV show only person though I could see why you were possibly disappointed.
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I read all the books before the show. The first few seasons followed the books pretty well, then liberties were taken- things like removing lady stoneheart and removing a lot of Dorne subplot stuff which were done to simplify and streamline the storylines and I agreed with. However the last 2 seasons it seems like they’ve rushed the story compared to the past and in this last episode there were so many plot holes and loose ends that felt really unsatisfying. It’s definitely not something GRRM would have done without explaining every detail and tying everything together.

I don’t disagree with the final result, I question all the content they skipped over and edited to be able to wrap this up in 1 episode.
 
Ozcuse said:
I real all the books before the show. The first few seasons followed the books pretty well, then liberties were taken- things like removing lady stoneheart and removing a lot of Dorne subplot stuff which were done to simplify and streamline the storylines and I agreed with. However the last 2 seasons it seems like they’ve rushed the story compared to the past and in this last episode there were so many plot holes and loose ends that felt really unsatisfying. It’s definitely not something GRRM would have done without explaining every detail and tying everything together.

I don’t disagree with the final result, I question all the content they skipped over and edited to be able to wrap this up in 1 episode.
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I think that this happens to a lot of television programs that are based upon bestselling books -- the source material is best-selling for a reason, and when the early seasons are based upon that content, the show is strong. But as they deviate from the source material, they often go astray.

Dexter is a great example of that, IMO.

The two main issues with GoT [my opinion only] is both that they took some degrees of freedom, but also ran out of source material. So they blazed their own trail.

And I qualify this by acknowledging that the show is better than 99% of the stuff that is out there or has ever been out there.
 
Ozcuse said:
I read all the books before the show. The first few seasons followed the books pretty well, then liberties were taken- things like removing lady stoneheart and removing a lot of Dorne subplot stuff which were done to simplify and streamline the storylines and I agreed with. However the last 2 seasons it seems like they’ve rushed the story compared to the past and in this last episode there were so many plot holes and loose ends that felt really unsatisfying. It’s definitely not something GRRM would have done without explaining every detail and tying everything together.

I don’t disagree with the final result, I question all the content they skipped over and edited to be able to wrap this up in 1 episode.
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Yeah ironically the show feels rushed whereas the books need to rush more
 
Ozcuse said:
I read all the books before the show. The first few seasons followed the books pretty well, then liberties were taken- things like removing lady stoneheart and removing a lot of Dorne subplot stuff which were done to simplify and streamline the storylines and I agreed with. However the last 2 seasons it seems like they’ve rushed the story compared to the past and in this last episode there were so many plot holes and loose ends that felt really unsatisfying. It’s definitely not something GRRM would have done without explaining every detail and tying everything together.

I don’t disagree with the final result, I question all the content they skipped over and edited to be able to wrap this up in 1 episode.
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When the source material is so in depth and 1000+ pages long a lot gets lost in translation. A lot of Stephen Kings books are the same way and so many of them suffer the move to the big screen.

The most un-GRRM thing about this episode was the lack of deaths. The writers clearly did not want to lose so many characters where GRRM would chuckled gleefully as he slaughtered them.
 
I read somewhere that GRRM was pretty involved as a script writer/producer on the show through the first 4 seasons and then stopped abruptly. Not sure what happened- the official story was he stopped to put time into finishing the books, but unofficially he wasn’t happy with some of the decisions to veer off course with the story and stopped participating.
 
AZOrange said:
Yeah ironically the show feels rushed whereas the books need to rush more
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It's almost as of the show people have to deal with budgets and actors with contracts and a massive audience of viewers who are trained to have a short attention span...

I think there is a reason most TV shows don't go beyond 7 to 10 years and HBO is running into them. I'll say it again... the part that has felt rushed has been the NK stuff. All the human, political stuff has played out at a pretty steady pace and that's because the HBO people don't know what to do with the NK stuff because the books didn't do a good job with the it either.

It would be nice if GRRM actually finished the series instead of working on every side project he can possible think of. My guess is he never will and he's letting HBO finish it for him.
 
Guinness said:
I am curious if the people in this thread are book readers or show only?

I ask because the books do not put the emphasis on the NK that the show does so I found myself not really caring the NK was dispatched because for me he was only an appetizer and not the main course. If you were a TV show only person though I could see why you were possibly disappointed.
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tv show only, not books. Wasn't dissappointed though by the show at all. Maybe couldve been a bit more dramatic if as I said elsewhere arya killed the NK as a white walker in a mask, and yes could've been filmed in better light, but that made it part of the dark story (literally and figuratively) it was. I can't recall ever having my hands to my face with wonder, dread, (fear?) in watching a tv show with the build up and then watching thinking the way this show has been they MIGHT realistically very well kill off nearly everyone.

Was kinda relieved at the end when they didn't. Epic television.
 
I read all of the books between seasons 1 & 2.

As others have said, the first 2-3 seasons were in near lockstep with the books aside from a few minor omissions/changes.

Watching HBO's post-show conversations with the writers makes it pretty clear their focus is significantly different than Martin's.

Understandable given their constraints of time & budget. Martin could rip off a 2,000 page manuscript and let his publisher carve into behemoth novels.
 
Arya is definitely killing Cersei.
Melisandre to Arya: brown eyes (Walder Frey), blue eyes (The Night Queen), green eyes (Cersei?). Eyes that you'll shut forever
 
Alsacs said:
Arya is definitely killing Cersei.
Melisandre to Arya: brown eyes (Walder Frey), blue eyes (The Night Queen), green eyes (Cersei?). Eyes that you'll shut forever
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After you nailed arya killing the night king a few pages back you won't hear me doubting you on this one too. Hopefully they do it with some flair this time with her donning an alternative identity as she does it. Good call btw
 
Cuseregular said:
After you nailed arya killing the night king a few pages back you won't hear me doubting you on this one too. Hopefully they do it with some flair this time with her donning an alternative identity as she does it. Good call btw
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I get plenty wrong but Arya ending up on the Iron throne is the bet the writers want you to take now.
Odds are likely Jon is going to end up on the throne now/
 
Alsacs said:
I get plenty wrong but Arya ending up on the Iron throne is the bet the writers want you to take now.
Odds are likely Jon is going to end up on the throne now/
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Arya or Jon are both fine. Cersei is an absolute no and after that last episode where Daenerys proved to be 100% worthless and incompetent no way does she deserve the throne.
 
I still want the Lord Varys angle tied up. S7 Melisandre telling him “I have to die in this strange land, just like you.” Also the sorcerer and the castration... what did the voice from the flames say to him?
 
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