Here's the problem with the guard transfers

[OttoinGrotto]

Jalen Carey was our guy. We identified him early, built the relationship, and had a plan and future for him. Now, Battle came back, and when he did that changed the immediate direction of things for Carey, plus he got injured, but he was a guy at one point that was expected to be a critical, build-around-him part of the team.

He accomplished very little on court for us and is now in the portal.

Brycen Goodine was our guy. Camped, mutual love, we locked him up very early and very quietly. He was considered a critical part of the class, likely early contributor, possible push as a starter. A guy that GMAC got a lot of credit for when it all got locked in early.

He accomplished very little on court for us and is now in the portal.

If people want to say no big loss, they weren't as good as we thought, ok...

Why weren't they as good as the staff thought?

This is a problem.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Should we include Kaleb on this list?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Should we include Kaleb on this list?

Only if you want to cause me pain.

 

[Orangezoo]

The painful addition to this is Richmond was a late add vs being "our guy" and the futures on him look much higher than the others mentioned.

 

[pearl31]

The painful addition to this is Richmond was a late add vs being "our guy" and the futures on him look much higher than the others mentioned.

painful addition?

 

[Orangezoo]

painful addition?

Meaning - a quick hitter looks better than the guys we studied for years.

 

[hoopsupstate]

It’s a good thing Jackson went to UCONN or we wouldn’t have Kadary.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It’s a good thing Jackson went to UCONN or we wouldn’t have Kadary.

The way this is shaking out it does seem like Kadary fits a lot better.

 

[dasher]

Jalen Carey was our guy. We identified him early, built the relationship, and had a plan and future for him. Now, Battle came back, and when he did that changed the immediate direction of things for Carey, plus he got injured, but he was a guy at one point that was expected to be a critical, build-around-him part of the team.

He accomplished very little on court for us and is now in the portal.

Brycen Goodine was our guy. Camped, mutual love, we locked him up very early and very quietly. He was considered a critical part of the class, likely early contributor, possible push as a starter. A guy that GMAC got a lot of credit for when it all got locked in early.

He accomplished very little on court for us and is now in the portal.

If people want to say no big loss, they weren't as good as we thought, ok...

Why weren't they as good as the staff thought?

This is a problem.

I think the problem is the way you laid it out. We have missed on guys our coaches really liked. They get to the Hill, and they aren't that good. That is scary on a few fronts. You wonder what our two incoming frosh will really look like. How can we be so wrong? The coaches, I don't think have suddenly got dumb. but there is no denying that something is amiss.

 

[pfister1]

The painful addition to this is Richmond was a late add vs being "our guy" and the futures on him look much higher than the others mentioned.

Until he takes the floor next year.

 

[MadNY3]

Jalen Carey was our guy. We identified him early, built the relationship, and had a plan and future for him. Now, Battle came back, and when he did that changed the immediate direction of things for Carey, plus he got injured, but he was a guy at one point that was expected to be a critical, build-around-him part of the team.

He accomplished very little on court for us and is now in the portal.

Brycen Goodine was our guy. Camped, mutual love, we locked him up very early and very quietly. He was considered a critical part of the class, likely early contributor, possible push as a starter. A guy that GMAC got a lot of credit for when it all got locked in early.

He accomplished very little on court for us and is now in the portal.

If people want to say no big loss, they weren't as good as we thought, ok...

Why weren't they as good as the staff thought?

This is a problem.

Welcome to recruiting 17-year olds.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Welcome to recruiting 17-year olds.

I don't accept that.

 

[Eagles20]

Goodine could have stayed if he wanted to compete for playing time. He chose to leave and take the easy way out. Whatever happened to working hard and improving your game to earn minutes. He quit on the program after one year. Think of all the others guys during the good years that stayed after not playing much or being productive as freshman and got significantly better during their second years.

 

[SWC75]

We should also credit the coaches with players who turned out to be better than their ratings: Oshae Brissett, Bourama Sidibie, Elijah Hughes, (yes, I know a transfer but they still had to evaluate him), Buddy Boeheim, Joe Girard, etc.

 

[jdubs30]

Goodine pretty much fell in our lap...Carey we had to work for

 

[chugg21]

Goodine could have stayed if he wanted to compete for playing time. He chose to leave and take the easy way out. Whatever happened to working hard and improving your game to earn minutes. He quit on the program after one year. Think of all the others guys during the good years that stayed after not playing much or being productive as freshman and got significantly better during their second years.

Sure, he made a VERY selfish decision...
"For each of the past eight years (ever since the season that Dion Waiters departed), Syracuse has ranked outside the Top 300 teams in the country in terms of minutes played by bench players, according to basketball statistician Ken Pomeroy."

Woukd be really brilliant to hang around with 3 years of eligibility left.

 

[Eagles20]

Sure, he made a VERY selfish decision...
"For each of the past eight years (ever since the season that Dion Waiters departed), Syracuse has ranked outside the Top 300 teams in the country in terms of minutes played by bench players, according to basketball statistician Ken Pomeroy."

Woukd be really brilliant to hang around with 3 years of eligibility left.

There are no guarantees at his next stop that he will play. Minutes are not just given in any program. I thought he had potential to play next year if he put in the work in the weight room and in the gym. Hopefully he’s making a brilliant decision for his future.

 

[dasher]

I do wonder if we are also looking ata high school kid that has popped up on our radar that we didn't expect.

 

[Alsacs]

I do wonder if we are also looking ata high school kid that has popped up on our radar that we didn't expect.

Europe is where I would see a non transfer from but with the shutdown of foreign travel we might have to wait.

 

[AZOrange]

Everything you said is accurate

 

[Fly Rodder]

We should also credit the coaches with players who turned out to be better than their ratings: Oshae Brissett, Bourama Sidibie, Elijah Hughes, (yes, I know a transfer but they still had to evaluate him), Buddy Boeheim, Joe Girard, etc.

Outside of Hughes, are they though?

other than playing for SU, they all have warts. They have had positives, but otherwise we wouldn’t be staring at a succession of meh teams. If Girard was playing the same way at BC or Vandy how many people would be like dammmmmn we shoulda got that guy?

 

[SBU72]

Welcome to recruiting 17-year olds.

More like 15 year olds. (How old is Dior?)

 

[Briancuse]

I do wonder if we are also looking ata high school kid that has popped up on our radar that we didn't expect.

For the 2020 class?

 

[SWC75]

Outside of Hughes, are they though?

other than playing for SU, they all have warts. They have had positives, but otherwise we wouldn’t be staring at a succession of meh teams. If Girard was playing the same way at BC or Vandy how many people would be like dammmmmn we shoulda got that guy?

When we recruited Brissett and Sidibie, people were complaining that they were outside the top 100. Girard wasn't withing the top 200 recruits. Nobody knew who Hughes was when we got him. We only recruited Buddy because the assistant coaches convinced JB to let him play for us. Nobody knew they had warts because they weren't even looking at them.

 

[Ghost]

Goodine could have stayed if he wanted to compete for playing time. He chose to leave and take the easy way out. Whatever happened to working hard and improving your game to earn minutes. He quit on the program after one year. Think of all the others guys during the good years that stayed after not playing much or being productive as freshman and got significantly better during their second years.

Whatever happened to sitting on the bench if you're playing very, very badly? That's another question worth asking at times.