Hey if it was up to me

[orangecuse]

A legit dual threat QB is imperative if we are ever going to have sustained success again IMO. The freeze option worked wonders in the Dome, and we had our best teams (Graves, McPherson, McNabb, etc.) when we did as it best fits the talent level that SU typically can land. It was also difficult to defend.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Just asking why the OC is so important when you figure dino would ultimately govern over this job being his offense and concepts.

Ah, Ok I gotcha now. I was confused because my comment wasn't about Dino at all and how Marrone would fit under Dino's staff, per se.

My thought is that Marrone in his last season with us figured out how offense really works well in college football. He played fast and used the passing game well (yes, by the end of the season we also ran the ball pretty well too). Marrone I believe could, as an OC, be exactly what we need from a game preparation and scheme perspective on offense, and, he would improve the performance of the offensive line.

Now, he's not part of the cult, so no, he probably doesn't fit with Dino.

 

[Steelerswan]

Ah, Ok I gotcha now. I was confused because my comment wasn't about Dino at all and how Marrone would fit under Dino's staff, per se.

My thought is that Marrone in his last season with us figured out how offense really works well in college football. He played fast and used the passing game well (yes, by the end of the season we also ran the ball pretty well too). Marrone I believe could, as an OC, be exactly what we need from a game preparation and scheme perspective on offense, and, he would improve the performance of the offensive line.

Now, he's not part of the cult, so no, he probably doesn't fit with Dino.

I hear ya, that win at Mizzou still resonates with me!

 

[P Vasiloff]

Being an nfl head coach for 7 years is a pretty good recruiting tool.

Yes it is except for the fact that an opposing school might point out he previously left two teams that were his "Dream Jobs" when he didn't get his way and that he has a losing record as a head coach, a win% of .437.

 

[Scooch]

 

[RandomGuy]

I’ve always liked the option because it fits the northeast.

This.

The northeast doesn't produce a lot of elite talent, but it does produce some big uglies. As long as they are athletic, good line play is developed in technique, over time. Adazzio polished lesser oline recruits than we get, and sent them to NFL.

I LOVE meathead. That doesn't mean I think we should run it. It means I think ANY system you run should have a major focus on line play. All systems fail when that doesn't work.

College football SHOULD be fun. Spread, tempo- EXCITING. Most of these kids aren't going to the NFL. May as well have some fun.

My fear is that tempo trys to mask line play with fatigue, QB and WR play. If they are all inter-dependent? When one breaks down, the others follow.

 

[kcsu]

Just asking why the OC is so important when you figure dino would ultimately govern over this job being his offense and concepts.

Dino was relieved of his OC duties.

 

[GoSU96]

I feel for Marrone in the sense that he has ascended to roles that I think ultimately are completely mismatched to what would make him happy.

I'd take him a heartbeat as an OC or OLine coach, and at Syracuse in those roles, he'd be exceptional. There's just no way you see him step back to that.

I think he's very happy in Jacksonville. Youngest roster in the league. The Dline and secondary aren't competitive right now and they can't get off the field. Offense shows a lot of promise, and almost all the skill guys are on rookie contracts.

They shed a lot of vets and attitudes.

Ton of cap space and draft picks for next year.

All depends if the ownership has the patience to get through this year.

 

[TheCusian]

If I were HC here, I'd ask Wildhack to give me extra $ for OL coach and go out and get the best, most respected guy I could find. I believe in the OC's under Dino enough and have seen enough at the skill positions over the years that OL is the biggest issue. Then, I'd follow around Pitt/BC OL recruiters on the trail.

 

[dollarbill44]

Dino has to be the worst we have had as far as adjustments and in game coaching.

Um, have you forgotten Gerg and Shafer?

 

[dollarbill44]

Dino was relieved of his OC duties.

I don't think that's how it went down. It's more likely that Dino has offloaded some of the duties to Gilbert, but it is probably very much a two-person effort.

 

[PatMark]

If I were HC here, I'd ask Wildhack to give me extra $ for OL coach and go out and get the best, most respected guy I could find. I believe in the OC's under Dino enough and have seen enough at the skill positions over the years that OL is the biggest issue. Then, I'd follow around Pitt/BC OL recruiters on the trail.

Just did a quick look at BC's roster. 11 of their 16 OL are from Catholic/Jesuit high schools. The fact that BC is Jesuit allows them to recruit nationally at catholic/jesuit high schools. A HUGE advantage for them.

 

[Wrinkle]

I'm not saying we should do it, but I love watching option football. Imagine if we brought the freeze option back, would be pretty cool

 

[TheCusian]

Just did a quick look at BC's roster. 11 of their 16 OL are from Catholic/Jesuit high schools. The fact that BC is Jesuit allows them to recruit nationally at catholic/jesuit high schools. A HUGE advantage for them.

Fair enough. I don't think it's an unassailable mountain to get far better on the OL however. Resources need to head that direction (money and focus) if we want to be anything in the ACC.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Just did a quick look at BC's roster. 11 of their 16 OL are from Catholic/Jesuit high schools. The fact that BC is Jesuit allows them to recruit nationally at catholic/jesuit high schools. A HUGE advantage for them.

SU knows what it has to do then.

 

[RandomGuy]

Just did a quick look at BC's roster. 11 of their 16 OL are from Catholic/Jesuit high schools. The fact that BC is Jesuit allows them to recruit nationally at catholic/jesuit high schools. A HUGE advantage for them.

From 2016-2019, our oline recruits graded higher than BCs. (84.31 - 83.87 average for 4 years) Why is having slightly lower graded recruits a huge advantage?

 

[LAOrange]

Dino Babers is a great representative for the university. He's engaging, smart and accomplished. The cupboard was bare when he took over. I have to believe that the ACC has proven more difficult than he anticipated. Hence, the hiring of new coordinators. Recruiting is getting better and genuinely looks good for next year.
We should take a lesson from Duke: Cutcliffe was 0-4 to start the season and the University commended him for his abilities as a mentor and guide for his team.
Dino has the same people-style as Coach Mac. Remember Coach Mac had 4 awful years before he started winning and then he gave a winning program over to PP. I think this is Dino's 1986, and we all know what happened in 1987.
Think positive - CoVids on the way out. We're on the way up.

 

[Briancuse]

Dino Babers is a great representative for the university. He's engaging, smart and accomplished. The cupboard was bare when he took over. I have to believe that the ACC has proven more difficult than he anticipated. Hence, the hiring of new coordinators. Recruiting is getting better and genuinely looks good for next year.
We should take a lesson from Duke: Cutcliffe was 0-4 to start the season and the University commended him for his abilities as a mentor and guide for his team.
Dino has the same people-style as Coach Mac. Remember Coach Mac had 4 awful years before he started winning and then he gave a winning program over to PP. I think this is Dino's 1986, and we all know what happened in 1987.
Think positive - CoVids on the way out. We're on the way up.

What is the lesson from Duke? Hope Syracuse is on the schedule to bail you out.

 

[PatMark]

From 2016-2019, our oline recruits graded higher than BCs. (84.31 - 83.87 average for 4 years) Why is having slightly lower graded recruits a huge advantage?

Catholics fight like holy h3ll? ;-) Jesus is a baller? Jesus loves meathead?

Obviously coaching plays into it but you could also argue that those catholic high schools typically play a higher level of football so while the individual may be "rated" lower, he's played better competition making him better prepared for college football.

 

[RandomGuy]

Obviously coaching plays into it but you could also argue that those catholic high schools typically play a higher level of football so while the individual may be "rated" lower, he's played better competition making him better prepared for college football.

Perhaps. I only counted 7 of their OL from obvious jesuit schools. 3 for us. I mean maybe, but I dunno. 8 of Armys 27 oline are. 27 freaking oline.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Dino Babers is a great representative for the university. He's engaging, smart and accomplished. The cupboard was bare when he took over. I have to believe that the ACC has proven more difficult than he anticipated. Hence, the hiring of new coordinators. Recruiting is getting better and genuinely looks good for next year.
We should take a lesson from Duke: Cutcliffe was 0-4 to start the season and the University commended him for his abilities as a mentor and guide for his team.
Dino has the same people-style as Coach Mac. Remember Coach Mac had 4 awful years before he started winning and then he gave a winning program over to PP. I think this is Dino's 1986, and we all know what happened in 1987.
Think positive - CoVids on the way out. We're on the way up.

Duke doesn't care about football. They are perfectly happy flirting with being Bowl eligible and relatively competitive overall. So we should give up on wanting a Bowl every year?

How is the team's performance even remotely similar? In today's landscape Coach Mac would have been Bowl eligible in years 3 through 10. In his first year he would have been 5-6-1. Dino has just one year out of five where he has been Bowl eligible. Dino's 2nd best record is worse than all but ONE of Mac's 10 years here.

 

[Steelerswan]

Dino was relieved of his OC duties.

Per JW? Isn't it his call and if he relieved himself and brought in an OC he has worked with before, you gotta believe that's still his baby behind the scenes, correct? His offense was the selling point to his hire. That would be like bringing in bud foster to be HC and relieving him of his DC responsibility.

 

[SuRaider307]

That’s the biggest thing to me is game day coaching. Dino has to be the worst we have had as far as adjustments and in game coaching. Seems like if they don’t strike early and often it almost always results in a loss. I love the guy tho but just hoping they get it together

Apparently you didn't watch the ND game under Shafer... 1st 2 or 3 drives we absolutely killed the ND QB sending multiple blitzers almost every down... After drive 3 ND literally threw RB screens to the flat the rest of the game 3 FULL QTRS of the same play ... by the 2nd QTR everyone but apparently shafer could figure out to stop sending multiple OLB on blitzes every down... it was that bad.. he had a game plan going in and refused to alter it at all... that's when it dawned on me he was/is not a top tier guy

 

[CousCuse]

Apparently you didn't watch the ND game under Shafer... 1st 2 or 3 drives we absolutely killed the ND QB sending multiple blitzers almost every down... After drive 3 ND literally threw RB screens to the flat the rest of the game 3 FULL QTRS of the same play ... by the 2nd QTR everyone but apparently shafer could figure out to stop sending multiple OLB on blitzes every down... it was that bad.. he had a game plan going in and refused to alter it at all... that's when it dawned on me he was/is not a top tier guy

That kept the game close, it was a one score game in the 4th quarter. And they should have got that touchdown before the half, but officials.

 

[corpjet]

if Dino leaves I’d call Doug for sure. You prob have a better chance at getting Matt Patricia when he is fired though.

No thanks to anyone from the Belichek coaching “tree” for the most part they have failed miserably when leaving BBs kingdom