Hey if it was up to me

[kcsu]

I don't think that's how it went down. It's more likely that Dino has offloaded some of the duties to Gilbert, but it is probably very much a two-person effort.

Im not talking about SU. It was when he was an assistant coach.

 

[Cuse69]

Im not talking about SU. It was when he was an assistant coach.

At Texas A&M if I remember correctly, he ran a super boring vanilla offense that plain out sucked and he got demoted, he got with baylor when they were the hottest thing took a chance on himself and the ball bounced his way, I like the energy and message he brought as the HC but I don't get the whole he's an offensive genius which he's shown time and again he's far from

 

[BrooklynCuse]

SU knows what it has to do then.

I live 4 blocks from the temple that they used for filming. Just walked by today and thought of that episode. My friend was Kramer’s double for all of nyc scenes. Also I lived next to Seinfeld in the 90’s in LA and he almost ran me over. Twice. But that’s a long story...

 

[RandomGuy]

At Texas A&M if I remember correctly, he ran a super boring vanilla offense that plain out sucked and he got demoted, he got with baylor when they were the hottest thing took a chance on himself and the ball bounced his way, I like the energy and message he brought as the HC but I don't get the whole he's an offensive genius which he's shown time and again he's far from

Never knew that.

Babers 1st year as OC they were 8-4. On Sept 25, of his 2cnd year as OC they reorganized the staff.

Sumlin replaces Babers as A&M coordinator

The revolving door of Texas A&M offensive coordinators spun again Tuesday. Three games...

www.chron.com

 

[Cuse69]

Never knew that.

Babers 1st year as OC they were 8-4. On Sept 25, of his 2cnd year as OC they reorganized the staff.

Sumlin replaces Babers as A&M coordinator

The revolving door of Texas A&M offensive coordinators spun again Tuesday. Three games...

www.chron.com

I remember reading about it when he was hired, during the 10 win season not exactly when some texas a&m people brought it up again, thanks for linking the article, i found this part interesting.
"In 1 1/4 seasons, the offense under Babers was consistently inefficient. The Aggies ranked No. 106 among 117 Division I-A teams last year and are ranked No. 106 again this year."
I think dino caught some breaks along the way, nothing wrong with that, he bounced around a lot, went to baylor when their about as hot as an offense can be maybe the exception of the air raid today, central illnois took a chance on him and he had success but it's not like he didn't have jimmy g waiting on him and I'm sure that's the first time any of those teams saw that offense, went to BGSU after dave clawson turned it into a success and left for wake, dino had a lot waiting on him, add in the new offense probably first time in the mac and he continued success, came here and his 10 win season was mostly SS's recruits and as we all know 1 winning season out of 5. He seems like a great CEO type coach but he can't recruit which baffles me, and his coaching staff is still subpar and can't develop guys. Remember dungey coming back to the pro day saying he'd been throwing with the wrong motion all along and his QB coach fixed it in all of 10-12 weeks, that was a red flag to me even then. I just don't know if he's going to come up with all these fixes to the offense, I'll be cheering for him but if it doesn't work I say call graham harrell and todd graham among many others.

 

[nzm136]

I remember reading about it when he was hired, during the 10 win season not exactly when some texas a&m people brought it up again, thanks for linking the article, i found this part interesting.
"In 1 1/4 seasons, the offense under Babers was consistently inefficient. The Aggies ranked No. 106 among 117 Division I-A teams last year and are ranked No. 106 again this year."
I think dino caught some breaks along the way, nothing wrong with that, he bounced around a lot, went to baylor when their about as hot as an offense can be maybe the exception of the air raid today, central illnois took a chance on him and he had success but it's not like he didn't have jimmy g waiting on him and I'm sure that's the first time any of those teams saw that offense, went to BGSU after dave clawson turned it into a success and left for wake, dino had a lot waiting on him, add in the new offense probably first time in the mac and he continued success, came here and his 10 win season was mostly SS's recruits and as we all know 1 winning season out of 5. He seems like a great CEO type coach but he can't recruit which baffles me, and his coaching staff is still subpar and can't develop guys. Remember dungey coming back to the pro day saying he'd been throwing with the wrong motion all along and his QB coach fixed it in all of 10-12 weeks, that was a red flag to me even then. I just don't know if he's going to come up with all these fixes to the offense, I'll be cheering for him but if it doesn't work I say call graham harrell and todd graham among many others.

I think we have at least 12 months before we make any calls (and hopefully much longer), but Todd Graham makes me nervous, given how he left Pitt. I'm afraid high school coaches might have some memories. Graham Harrell makes me nervous, too. I think the northeast is a different animal than California/Texas.

It won't be popular here, but I like Addazio. He knows Syracuse ('95-'98), the northeast (HS coach in CT, SU coach, BC coach, and Temple coach for decades combined), the midwest (ND '99-'01 and IU '02-'3), the ACC (7 year BC HC), and Florida (UF '05-'10). He also knows how to build a competent OL and recruit good RBs, and I'm inclined to believe that any QB who doesn't at least consider playing in a Dome on a team with a good OL and strong running game is crazy. I also have far more faith in a DC fixing SU's defense than I do an OC fixing our offense. I've seen good defenses over several spans since '05. I have yet to see a consistently good offense ('12 and '18 were good individual years, not spans).

Steve didn't light the world on fire at BC, but he didn't fail, either. He put together records that are better than anything that we've seen in 15 years (I know we had a really great '18 season - I mean in terms of consistency). I have to think that improved Dome and a bigger budget for assistant coaches would likely translate into an extra win a year.

I could live with 8-4/7-5 records and going 4-4/5-3 in the ACC.

(BC was 4-4 in the ACC 5/7 years with him as HC, and BC won 7 games 5/7 years, with one year with 3 wins and another with 6.)

I could also live with giving the SU-BC game a little more meaning. We need more interest in the sport (on a college level) in the NE.

 

[elimunelson]

No thanks to anyone from the Belichek coaching “tree” for the most part they have failed miserably when leaving BBs kingdom

Even Nick Saban, Kirk Ferentz? the standards at Syracuse ARE high!

 

[Cuse12]

Such a good point, we miss SL immensely.

I forget how much better this offense looked with Lewis ... wow it truly was different. HUGE LOSS. I must say I wouldn’t mind him as a future HC of the orange somewhere down the line... in a perfect world dino would turn the ship around and lead us to consistently good and then retire and we hire Lewis. Pipe dreams? Yeah I guess so.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I remember reading about it when he was hired, during the 10 win season not exactly when some texas a&m people brought it up again, thanks for linking the article, i found this part interesting.
"In 1 1/4 seasons, the offense under Babers was consistently inefficient. The Aggies ranked No. 106 among 117 Division I-A teams last year and are ranked No. 106 again this year."
I think dino caught some breaks along the way, nothing wrong with that, he bounced around a lot, went to baylor when their about as hot as an offense can be maybe the exception of the air raid today, central illnois took a chance on him and he had success but it's not like he didn't have jimmy g waiting on him and I'm sure that's the first time any of those teams saw that offense, went to BGSU after dave clawson turned it into a success and left for wake, dino had a lot waiting on him, add in the new offense probably first time in the mac and he continued success, came here and his 10 win season was mostly SS's recruits and as we all know 1 winning season out of 5. He seems like a great CEO type coach but he can't recruit which baffles me, and his coaching staff is still subpar and can't develop guys. Remember dungey coming back to the pro day saying he'd been throwing with the wrong motion all along and his QB coach fixed it in all of 10-12 weeks, that was a red flag to me even then. I just don't know if he's going to come up with all these fixes to the offense, I'll be cheering for him but if it doesn't work I say call graham harrell and todd graham among many others.

In fairness it takes time to establish recruiting ties. It seems like that is happening now, no?

Also in fairness for college QBs IMO you should go with the QB's natural throwing motion. You want them to go out there and play. Not think about what they are doing mechanically. Coaches don't have enough time to dedicate to a throwing motion. They have limited contact with the QBs. It should be devoted to learning the O and improving the team (winning games). Not the QB's draft prospects or long term (after Cuse) success.

 

[corpjet]

Even Nick Saban, Kirk Ferentz? the standards at Syracuse ARE high!

As noted most Part...

let’s look at the failures...

Josh McDaniels
Matt Patricia
Romeo Crennel
Charlie Weiss
Eric the ManGenius Mangini

most recently Bill O’Brien had the best luck at Ped State and the Texans leading Them to playoff wins...Mike Vrabel is off to a good start..

 

[tipphill]

george deleone is still around.

 

[Fat tire 13]

I live 4 blocks from the temple that they used for filming. Just walked by today and thought of that episode. My friend was Kramer’s double for all of nyc scenes. Also I lived next to Seinfeld in the 90’s in LA and he almost ran me over. Twice. But that’s a long story...

Long story? Hey, if people can't rant for 5 paragraphs on potential head coaches who will never come here, we definitely have time for a good Seinfeld story. Let's hear it!

 

[Pyle]

george deleone is still around.

I think P and Chris White are around too.....

 

[Chip]

How is the team's performance even remotely similar? In today's landscape Coach Mac would have been Bowl eligible in years 3 through 10. In his first year he would have been 5-6-1. Dino has just one year out of five where he has been Bowl eligible. Dino's 2nd best record is worse than all but ONE of Mac's 10 years here.

I just don't understand how you could be sure of this. You're saying in today's landscape, but I still think you're comparing apples and coffee cups.

Coach Mac is a hero and legend for the resurrection of the program. But he had more local talent to draw from, far fewer competitors, and the Dome was a one of a kind facility, easy to pitch back then. I just don't see how that can be extrapolated into what things are like today.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I just don't understand how you could be sure of this. You're saying in today's landscape, but I still think you're comparing apples and coffee cups.

Coach Mac is a hero and legend for the resurrection of the program. But he had more local talent to draw from, far fewer competitors, and the Dome was a one of a kind facility, easy to pitch back then. I just don't see how that can be extrapolated into what things are like today.

Apples and oranges when trying to compare any of the last 5-6 coaches

 

[TheCusian]

I remember reading about it when he was hired, during the 10 win season not exactly when some texas a&m people brought it up again, thanks for linking the article, i found this part interesting.
"In 1 1/4 seasons, the offense under Babers was consistently inefficient. The Aggies ranked No. 106 among 117 Division I-A teams last year and are ranked No. 106 again this year."
I think dino caught some breaks along the way, nothing wrong with that, he bounced around a lot, went to baylor when their about as hot as an offense can be maybe the exception of the air raid today, central illnois took a chance on him and he had success but it's not like he didn't have jimmy g waiting on him and I'm sure that's the first time any of those teams saw that offense, went to BGSU after dave clawson turned it into a success and left for wake, dino had a lot waiting on him, add in the new offense probably first time in the mac and he continued success, came here and his 10 win season was mostly SS's recruits and as we all know 1 winning season out of 5. He seems like a great CEO type coach but he can't recruit which baffles me, and his coaching staff is still subpar and can't develop guys. Remember dungey coming back to the pro day saying he'd been throwing with the wrong motion all along and his QB coach fixed it in all of 10-12 weeks, that was a red flag to me even then. I just don't know if he's going to come up with all these fixes to the offense, I'll be cheering for him but if it doesn't work I say call graham harrell and todd graham among many others.

The lie is that it was mostly SS recruits. It wasn't - it was like 85% Dino recruits. We think that way because of Eric. RB and linemen or two. Without those Dino recruits we don't win 10. Cisco, DE's etc

Every QB coach thinks they can "fix" throwing motion and it's good marketing/business plan to claim you can fix it.

I think there's a thread of truth in this post in that I think the Baylor O has gotten figured out a bit and needs to evolve. I'm not sure Dino is the guy to do that and neither is he since he turned it over to Sterlin. Which is *good* if you think he's a good CEO type.

 

[TheCusian]

I just don't understand how you could be sure of this. You're saying in today's landscape, but I still think you're comparing apples and coffee cups.

Coach Mac is a hero and legend for the resurrection of the program. But he had more local talent to draw from, far fewer competitors, and the Dome was a one of a kind facility, easy to pitch back then. I just don't see how that can be extrapolated into what things are like today.

Great post. One of the boards systemic issues (me included) is to see our past successes as much more recent and mythic blinding us to the current problems with the program. Reality should set in. We're not coach Mac's Syracuse in the Big East with a thriving local HS football scene.

 

[Keger03]

That kept the game close, it was a one score game in the 4th quarter. And they should have got that touchdown before the half, but officials.

That terrible spike attempt that was a fumble but because they blew the whistle dead it couldnt be reviewed. Oh ya, i think i remember that play. I was pissed.

 

[721Comstock]

Great post. One of the boards systemic issues (me included) is to see our past successes as much more recent and mythic blinding us to the current problems with the program. Reality should set in. We're not coach Mac's Syracuse in the Big East with a thriving local HS football scene.

Also - Coach Mac's tenure was just one of two approx. 15 year "glory years" windows that our program has had since WWII. That, and the run during Schwartwalder's era.
So, in 75 years, we've been above average for about 30, and meh or worse (sometimes much worse) for 45 years.
Including virtually ALL of our current 'croots' lifetimes.
(with a blip exception in '18)

Syracuse being really good at football is (sadly) the exception, not the rule.

That said - maybe we're (over)due for another nice 15 year run?
It could happen.

 

[OrangePA]

I remember reading about it when he was hired, during the 10 win season not exactly when some texas a&m people brought it up again, thanks for linking the article, i found this part interesting.
"In 1 1/4 seasons, the offense under Babers was consistently inefficient. The Aggies ranked No. 106 among 117 Division I-A teams last year and are ranked No. 106 again this year."
I think dino caught some breaks along the way, nothing wrong with that, he bounced around a lot, went to baylor when their about as hot as an offense can be maybe the exception of the air raid today, central illnois took a chance on him and he had success but it's not like he didn't have jimmy g waiting on him and I'm sure that's the first time any of those teams saw that offense, went to BGSU after dave clawson turned it into a success and left for wake, dino had a lot waiting on him, add in the new offense probably first time in the mac and he continued success, came here and his 10 win season was mostly SS's recruits and as we all know 1 winning season out of 5. He seems like a great CEO type coach but he can't recruit which baffles me, and his coaching staff is still subpar and can't develop guys. Remember dungey coming back to the pro day saying he'd been throwing with the wrong motion all along and his QB coach fixed it in all of 10-12 weeks, that was a red flag to me even then. I just don't know if he's going to come up with all these fixes to the offense, I'll be cheering for him but if it doesn't work I say call graham harrell and todd graham among many others.

Recruiting is about money, money, money, football infrastructure, money, stability in the program, money, money, a winning tradition, money, money, weather and money.

With more money, with improved football infrastructure, with stability in the program - retaining Nick Monroe for example - and with some additional wins, Dino Babers will recruit well.

 

[elimunelson]

Recruiting is about money, money, money, football infrastructure, money, stability in the program, money, money, a winning tradition, money, money, weather and money.

With more money, with improved football infrastructure, with stability in the program - retaining Nick Monroe for example - and with some additional wins, Dino Babers will recruit well.

To me, Dino seems to do everything right or close to right. My only gripe with him has been in game management. I wonder if these Nick Monroe types have any clue how to coach and are business development essentially. I always felt with Marrone we could win games in rock fight fashion because we had a control of the game situation. With Dino I feel like he's playing football in the back yard half the time.

Maybe in the MAC you can get away with the back yard football management. the ACC is going to be a diff beast and we need to learn how to manage the clock, the game, etc.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I just don't understand how you could be sure of this. You're saying in today's landscape, but I still think you're comparing apples and coffee cups.

Coach Mac is a hero and legend for the resurrection of the program. But he had more local talent to draw from, far fewer competitors, and the Dome was a one of a kind facility, easy to pitch back then. I just don't see how that can be extrapolated into what things are like today.

I meant the number of Bowls and playing 1AAs every year as the 12th game. There were times where 7-4 wouldn't get a Bowl back then. Now we see 5-7 teams make it. If you add a 12 game and 835 more Bowl games, Mac makes it to a Bowl all but the first two years (with the 1st year a possibility, especially since we no longer have ties).

 

[OrangePA]

To me, Dino seems to do everything right or close to right. My only gripe with him has been in game management. I wonder if these Nick Monroe types have any clue how to coach and are business development essentially. I always felt with Marrone we could win games in rock fight fashion because we had a control of the game situation. With Dino I feel like he's playing football in the back yard half the time.

Maybe in the MAC you can get away with the back yard football management. the ACC is going to be a diff beast and we need to learn how to manage the clock, the game, etc.

I love Doug Marrone.

I thought he did a fantastic job on the Hill and I was crushed when he left.

 

[OrangePA]

I just don't understand how you could be sure of this. You're saying in today's landscape, but I still think you're comparing apples and coffee cups.

Coach Mac is a hero and legend for the resurrection of the program. But he had more local talent to draw from, far fewer competitors, and the Dome was a one of a kind facility, easy to pitch back then. I just don't see how that can be extrapolated into what things are like today.

The impact of the Dome cannot be overstated.

It was a social, civil, collegiate phenomenon.

 

[Chip]

I meant the number of Bowls and playing 1AAs every year as the 12th game. There were times where 7-4 wouldn't get a Bowl back then. Now we see 5-7 teams make it. If you add a 12 game and 835 more Bowl games, Mac makes it to a Bowl all but the first two years (with the 1st year a possibility, especially since we no longer have ties).

Fair enough. When I hear today's landscape, I think of how drastically different our place in it is. Although we still have a seat at the table, so all isn't lost.

As for bowl rules, yes, and Coach P would have been to a bowl game in 13 of 14 seasons, instead of of 9 of 14 seasons. 93, 94, 00, 03 would have all ended with a bowl game.