Honest question

[capeorange]

70 % talent
30% coaching

When you don't have talent, that ratio changes dramatically and the results are glaring.

 

[richard levy]

Effort and organization is enough to improve and win games and help (not totally) offset talent gap.

My point is to reinforce the above statement by Newhouser. I wish SU fans could watch Vanderbilt (I'm an alum) this season. After 8+ years of worse than mediocrity, they have a new coach this year, Mark Byington, who they hired from JMU. He flipped the entire roster, except for one, (who dosen't play), lost his one legitimate post player at the beginning of the season. Mediocre SOS, 117, SU is 29. NET of 45, SU is 159. There is not one player who will sniff the NBA, but they play 9-10, motion offense and hustle their asses off on D. 14-2, 2-2 in conference, albeit, with the toughest teams in the best conference still to be played. Entertaining and productive style of play.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

My point is to reinforce the above statement by Newhouser. I wish SU fans could watch Vanderbilt (I'm an alum) this season. After 8+ years of worse than mediocrity, they have a new coach this year, Mark Byington, who they hired from JMU. He flipped the entire roster, except for one, (who dosen't play), lost his one legitimate post player at the beginning of the season. Mediocre SOS, 117, SU is 29. NET of 45, SU is 159. There is not one player who will sniff the NBA, but they play 9-10, motion offense and hustle their asses off on D. 14-2, 2-2 in conference, albeit, with the toughest teams in the best conference still to be played. Entertaining and productive style of play.

And that's exactly what I think most fans want to see. Even if it doesn't translate to wins and an immediate stellar season, it would be great to just see signs of life.

Signs of a plan.

An idea.

Anything.

 

[PoppyHart]

70 % talent
30% coaching

So it's dropped from 80% since January 2nd?

Coaching matters.

 

[Nicknack]

What I don't get, in today's age of NIL and the portal, how any player would think it's a good idea to play less hard or to sort of give up. I can sort of understand it back in the day where a player would spend 4 years with the same team. However, now, if things are going well and a player opts to transfer, how they're playing now is caught on video to show potential new teams. A player will be held responsible (to a certain extent). Let me be clear... I'm not saying anyone on our team is doing that but there are many on this board who have implied it.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I said most efficient. I'd argue also his best, but I can see the case for last year.

At TCU, after they made him lose 70 pounds vs last year:
PER: 20.1 vs 16.4
BPM: 6.2 vs 2.4

You want to argue his best year was last year? I won't agree, but I can see the argument. But he also played with three NBA players that made his life easy street.

But his most efficient year (and, again, this is where I think we should be pointing to for efficiency = best, imo) is his sophomore year after they made him lose 70 pounds.

So either Red needed to get three NBA draft picks (including one guy that is like top five in the NBA rookie of the year rankings now) for this year or make Eddie get in shape. He went 0-2 on both of those.

Nuance - the years are pretty equivalent - no argument here. I don’t see where there was a huge efficiency jump from a weight loss at TCU though. I don’t think Eddie has been the biggest issue here- he’s the same player he was at Colorado etc that he has been here. I would imagine a team’s ability to pass efficiently to an interior player is key regardless of the program. This team hasn’t proven yet to be a good passing team.

 

[tbonezone]

. Then! Carlos started the 2nd half.

carlos the jackal was the only dude scoring coming out of the break. had like 7 points in 5 mins.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I don’t think Eddie has been the biggest issue here- he’s the same player he was at Colorado etc that he has been here.

Eddie's not necessarily the issue, but he's part of it. Here he's our best player by some metrics and he's the same kind of player as he was last year, but there were 3-4 better players playing with him.

It doesn't translate exactly as teammates do matter, but for an exercise using Evan Miya, if we took anybody from SU last season and put them on Colorado, our best two players Maliq and Judah would be 3rd or 4th on Colorado. No one else would be in the top 7 on Colorado.

 

[atlanticuse]

Does anyone think that there is any coach on earth that can be successful with this particular group of players? I have never in my lifetime witnessed weaker post defenders. It is so easy to get the ball into the paint and then have less resistance putting in the hoop.Sorry, that’s not coaching. That’s lack of talent and competitiveness. If we don’t get 3 to 4 quality post players this offseaso, we are in a world of crap again and I don’t care who is coaching the team.

nope

 

[dollarbill44]

When you have teams with lesser talents you need a strict system in place think old Bennett Virgina. They need to run a motion offense with constant player and ball movement. Need players to move with a purpose on the floor not just go through the motions. Need cuts to be sharp. Need actual screens to be set. Need passes to be on time. etc. This is how teams with lesser talents beat more talented teams, they run their stuff over an over an over again. The last thing you want to do when you are the lesser talented team is to run ISO basketball because you are ISO against someone better and more athletic than you.

On defense, you have to do things to differently. You have to constantly switch during the game on how you play to confuse the other team. How about trap the ball screen? How about go over ball screens? How about actually coaching help defense. Our players don't have the basic fundamentals on how to play defense. Help and recover, hedge screens and recover, trap and defense rotates. etc.

I would add that on offense, you need to have PURPOSE. When you move without the ball, you need to move with a purpose. When you dribble, have a purpose. When you pass, have a purpose. Dribbling across half court and passing to the first open man you see is making a pass without a purpose. Making an entry pass to a 5'8" PG who is guarded by a big man, is a pass with no purpose. This stuff is coaching.
Watch the movements and passing of teams with effective offensive systems and you will see a very stark difference in the quality of shots they get while limiting bad turnovers. "Bad" turnovers are lazy passes to covered guys, or dribbling into double of triple teams or going full speed into the lane as a 6 ft guard when there is a center standing there (Pearl excluded).
It's maddening watching this team on offense. The only way they can be competitive in games is to make low percentage shots at an above-average rate, which is not sustainable.