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Hop brought back for next year at UW….

I can’t disagree with this enough. But I am not respond to it anymore. I have knowledge on the SU AD how it has operated. Have a nice day.
Ok. I was thinking that maybe the Mods were going to have to lock this thread. But now they don't have to. So, unless you are ADJW or on the BOT's, or their attorney, everything else is pretty much hearsay. Bottom line is that JAB wasn't ready to retire, and the university honored his decision. Nothing else matters.
 
Yeah this stuff I am leaving out because I get it. Buddy was a great player we were lucky to have. Class kid. Never said anything but positive stuff.

I wish maybe then Coach could have timed his retirement with eligibility expiring. I am surprised Buddy didn’t come back for a 5th year. We could use a player like him at SF.
Had he come back, he would have broken McNamara’s all-time three-point shooting record. In five years instead of four. Maybe he didn’t want to do that to his assistant coach.

Not to mention he was good enough to get a two-way contract.
 
This thread quickly went in another direction. I'll try to get it back to the OT. I figured that Hop was going to struggle initially, but I didn't see him being this bad. I don't know what his next stop will be. Is he comfortable being an assistant coach at someone else's university to rehab his image? I can only see a lower level school giving him another HC gig after what he did at Washington.
 
Had he come back, he would have broken McNamara’s all-time three-point shooting record. In five years instead of four. Maybe he didn’t want to do that to his assistant coach.

Not to mention he was good enough to get a two-way contract.
As long as it was Buddy’s decision no problem. The amount of years should be irrelevant we have college football players playing 6 years now. Buddy was a great player. He obviously was tasked with too much but he is a player you want on a good team.

Buddy in the Rautins spot on those good teams is what I envisioned. If he wanted to leave I get it.
 
If guys like Archie Miller and Tom Crean can get second jobs after failures at Indiana then a guy like Mike Hopkins should be able to get an A-10 type of job after leaving Washington.

That's about our level now. Maybe we can convince him to come home.
 
Unless something changes drastically.

49 points tonight at home vs UCLA. That’s two bad losses in a row at home.

His teams consistently struggle to score.

I don’t see how they bring him back next year.

NBA assistant or looking for a college bench or taking a breather, do you think Jake?
 
I can’t disagree with this enough. But I am not respond to it anymore. I have knowledge on the SU AD how it has operated. Have a nice day.
I am sure you were fine with the response to the men’s lacrosse and women’s basketball issues as well.
Wildhack has been average at best and his responses to both of those have been poor.

Yeah we have Gary Gait who is the best player of all time who brought in the #1 class and Felicia Leggette Jack who also has her number in the rafters. Sucks to be us.

Sorry didn't feel the need to for Q or Desko to be drawn and quartered on the quad.
 
And had a losing record en route to a LAST PLACE Pac-12 finish that year. BFD.

What turned you into such a bitter argumentative old guy?
 
Yeah we have Gary Gait who is the best player of all time who brought in the #1 class and Felicia Leggette Jack who also has her number in the rafters. Sucks to be us.

Sorry didn't feel the need to for Q or Desko to be drawn and quartered on the quad.
The fact that you don’t want Q Hillsman drawn and quartered speaks volumes to the fact that you’re OK with what the A.D. has done I’m not gonna talk about this anymore. What happened with the women’s basketball program and those allegations that players made the AD aware and you’re OK with that OK.
 
Ok. I was thinking that maybe the Mods were going to have to lock this thread. But now they don't have to. So, unless you are ADJW or on the BOT's, or their attorney, everything else is pretty much hearsay. Bottom line is that JAB wasn't ready to retire, and the university honored his decision. Nothing else matters.

The university honored his decision ONLY after and because Hopkins left. He was flat out turned down prior to that when he approached the top brass. Kent was not going against his word and losing his credibility when he gave that national press conference, etc. after the 2nd probation.

Just as a couple have alluded, Hop knew how hard JB was pushing (behind the scenes) and how he didn't want to retire. Hop was deeply torn and he didn't want it to come between/go down this way as JB is the one who gave him his opportunity in coaching and was a father figure type as well. Therefore, Hop advised his agent to let it be known he was available.

I received this information at the time (also mentioned it here somewhat in one of the many threads going around then) from a family member that was (still is) an executive at one of SU's largest boosters. Same as it was then...folks can take it as they wish and as they see fit.
 
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We dodged a bullet.

Hop inherited a quality squad from his predecessor, who was a solid recruiter / subpar game coach, and he's struggled ever since once his own players were on the roster.
You're right -- we've sucked too. In no small part due to the talent pool slipping at Syracuse post-Hop.

But when Hop had two NBA starters on his team during the season referenced above, he came in last place.

No thanks.
Hop didn’t have a good PG to get those guys the ball and run the offense b/c Quade was ruled ineligible. And McDaniels was awful that season, through no fault of Hop’s. Not saying Hop is unquestionably the answer at Cuse but there’s been mitigating factors at Washington.
 
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If this is true then Wildhack isn’t a good AD. The results don’t warrant this. If Coach won’t retire then the AD actually needs to do his job. We all get he is a alum and worked at ESPN how about you actually care about the results on the floor if Coach won’t retire.

If this is not Boeheim's last year, then I can't imagine how poor attendance will be next year.
 
You aren’t getting the point. Like the Butterfly effect. If Hop doesn’t leave then we get change. Again I am not upset or mad at Hopkins. He showed loyalty and respect to a mentor/family.

That said if he stuck to the plan that was on paper and waited one more year we get change.

Thus my statement.

Hop DID stick to the plan. But Boeheim wouldn't leave because of sanctions.
 
Mike Hopkins we don’t know how he would have done here as HC but the fact he plays zone almost exclusively tells I am okay without him being HC here.

It needs to be said though he wasn’t HC here and as a result he was following Coach Boeheim’s orders recruiting. Coach hasn’t recruited as well since Hop left.
That is a fact. We had 10 first round picks from 2008-2017 and that was Mike Hopkins.

Gerry McNamara and Red Autry haven’t brought in one first round pick since Hop left. That is why these guys shouldn’t even be short list candidates. Talent reduction has been a major part of our decline. If they can’t get talent as assistants i highly doubt they could as HC. If people want it put that on Coach Boeheim then why is Coach still coaching. Judah could possibly be drafted in first round but unlikely this year.
In Autry’s defense, Jerami Grant is a pretty damn good player, and Autry recruited him. Same with Oshae. I think the first round demarcation is overrated. But yeah, Gmac hasn’t recruited any big time players but both he and Autry have had their hands tied in many recruitments because of JB’s lack of involvement.
 
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Crazy that people are this beaten down.

I get it. That said this is unacceptable for the AD. I think Wildhack is okay but his performance is not great and if he lets Coach stay on his terms then that isn’t fair to fans. Coach Boeheim has been loyal but the loyalty has been returned and then some.

We haven’t been ranked in over 4 years. If John Wildhack let’s this continue he is telling fans he is fine with this. Which stinks.

Mike Hopkins allowed all this to happen by just not waiting one more year and then taking over here.

It's now January and another year starts anew. Just as it also starts another year off that SU hasn't been ranked in the top 25 (regular season) since 2014! I'm not sure how anyone (even those close to JB, etc.) who can't see that as being completely unacceptable. :(
 
Here is a hot take… the problem with the HCJB coaching philosophy isn’t the zone it’s the offense. Since the title, JB’s offenses have always been dependent on having a couple of players who can beat their guy 1:1. He doesn’t seem to do much anymore to create good shots from a system perspective with movement or screens. When I see fun teams to watch like Creighton or Nova before their recruiting took off, I was always jealous that they had 5 dudes who could do damage on offense and they generated a good look almost every time. Even this year I really enjoyed Cornell’s style of play, even though they didn’t have the athletes to stay with us for 40 minutes.

I could care less about the d… get me someone who can coach a good offense. I’d prefer to watch that over a broken offense that’s all based on 1:1 plays.
I mean, you have to have a good defense. You can’t win in college basketball without it. That’s undeniable. Look at Notre Dame or even Cuse the past few years (we’ve had top 20-30 offenses for several years running, but paired with horrid or mediocre defenses). But I totally agree that JB’s “keep it simple” offensive philosophy isn’t the right approach for today’s game, especially when you don’t have lots of elite talent. I think he’s just fallen back on old habits and doesn’t like to overcomplicate things. Which is a mistake, imo, when you don’t have stellar talent. I’d love to have a Beilein, Painter or Greg McDermott type coach running a great offense. That said, you need good defense as well.
 
Yeah look at how dominating the Syracuse program - including the Boeheim duo (trio?) has been since Hop joined UW.

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I've added SU's overall ACC record since we joined. The overall record to date is 90-77 which included our inaugural 14-4 season. Not including that inaugural season, our record the last 9 seasons in conference is 76-73 to date.

 
It's now January and another year starts anew. Just as it also starts another year off that SU hasn't been ranked in the top 25 (regular season) since 2014! I'm not sure how anyone (even those close to JB, etc.) who can't see that as being completely unacceptable. :(
I think if you took a poll, you would find that the majority of fans would want to see a nationwide search done at the end of this season. Realistically, that might not happen. So people just have to accept the legendary status of HOFHCJAB and just try to enjoy whatever small victories we can take from this season, being either wins or the development of our young players and the successes of our two senior leaders. If you do that then you and others might enjoy going to the games a little more.
 
And you can throw out 2016-17, because that's when Hop realized that Boeheim wasn't leaving, Hop basically stopped recruiting for Syracuse and was looking for his next job.
So let me get this straight…Hop leaves out of loyalty to JB, but stops recruiting at the end out of…that same loyalty?

If he stopped recruiting, why did a bunch of guys he was targeting for SU follow him to Washington?
 
The university honored his decision ONLY after and because Hopkins left. He was flat out turned down prior to that when he approached the top brass. Kent was not going against his word and losing his credibility when he gave that national press conference, etc. after the 2nd probation.

Just as a couple have alluded, Hop knew how hard JB was pushing (behind the scenes) and how he didn't want to retire. Hop was deeply torn and he didn't want it to come between/go down this way as JB is the one who gave him his opportunity in coaching and was a father figure type as well. Therefore, Hop advised his agent to let it be known he was available.

I received this information at the time (also mentioned it here somewhat in one of the many threads going around then) from a family member that was (still is) an executive at one of SU's largest boosters. Same as it was then...folks can take it as they wish and as they see fit.
Yup. It was going to have to be a hostile takeover. Hop didn’t just walk away.
 

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