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How do the pro scouts view Battle.

I'm not sold he's going to score his way into an NBA rotation. The guards that don't shoot the ball as well in the NBA generally have another skill they do really well. What is that for Tyus ? I'd like to see him take a step forward on the defensive end and work himself into the mold of a Marcus Smart type. Someone who brings grit and toughness off the bench and can chip in offensively.
 
I think it's really hard trying to evaluate the offensive potential of any of our players. We play 4 on 5 every possession, and depending on who's in the game, it's 3 on 5, often against a zone.

Tyus would benefit greatly if we had a wing shooter to stretch defenses and a more consistent PG.
 
I think he's a borderline 1st round pick because he will probably impress during the evaluation period with his measurables and defensive ability.

He's, at the very least, a 3&D guy and that's worth a 1st in the NBA.

He probably won't come back but I don't see him as a lock to leave - I'm assuming it plays out like Lydon and he was always going to go pro after his 2nd year though.
 
He has a negative assist to turnover ratio, his shooting numbers aren't great, and he has below athleticism for a 2 in the NBA.

But it only takes one GM to believe in him.

I'm not entirely sure he gets much better than he is.

He's a great college player and I love him on our team and is scoring some points, but everything else isn't NBA material. I think Mali was a much bigger prospect and he was late first round.

I disagree about the comment that Battle has below (average) athleticism for a 2 guard. I think he can work on his shooting motion, but he needs to do that in the off-season. I'm not sure that he comes back, and the whispers seem to be leaning heavily against it, but players tend to get drafted higher from successful teams. This team is going to be a LOT more successful next year.
 
I disagree about the comment that Battle has below (average) athleticism for a 2 guard. I think he can work on his shooting motion, but he needs to do that in the off-season. I'm not sure that he comes back, and the whispers seem to be leaning heavily against it, but players tend to get drafted higher from successful teams. This team is going to be a LOT more successful next year.

For an NBA 2 he is. Look through the rosters.
 
I think he's a borderline 1st round pick because he will probably impress during the evaluation period with his measurables and defensive ability.

He's, at the very least, a 3&D guy and that's worth a 1st in the NBA.

He probably won't come back but I don't see him as a lock to leave - I'm assuming it plays out like Lydon and he was always going to go pro after his 2nd year though.

I could see him becoming a defensive specialist, but not sure I can ever see him becoming a 3 pt specialist. His mechanics are all out of whack, and I don't think I've ever seen him hit an NBA-range 3. If he can become a solid defender, drastically improve his passing ability and finish more consistently at the rim, then I think he'll have a successful NBA career.
 
Even if he is a borderline 1st round pick, doesn't he risk more by staying?

Or is he able to show more with better players around him next year?

I'm usually the "take the NBA money and run" guy, but Battles the only guy we've had that had an option to leave but actually could raise his draft stock.
 
Another thing on Battle is that he doesn't even flash on his own team.

I watch Brissett and I'm thinking, this dude is a beast. Battle hasn't don't that as much as I thought he would this year...so far.
 
The one thing that I think Tyus really has going for him, is his ability to score in one on one situations. At the next level, with a team full of shooters(or at least more than he's working with now), the floor will be much more spread out for him than it is now. With better athlete's defending him, it'll be a bit tougher to get decent shots, but I still think he'll be able to. He also is packed with that dreaded word "potential"...aka, he's a solid player, enough to stand out in college, but not a complete enough game to really carry our team to a championship right now. Where he's projected now, most NBA execs aren't looking for an immediate impact player, like you'd be looking at in the lottery, they're looking for a guy who could become one. That is definitely the group that Tyus falls into. I think that 6-7 minute stretch against Duke in the second half last year, as well as the UVA game, were only a small sample of what he's really capable of.

As a Cuse fan, I'd love to have him back, and really think he still has a great opportunity to improve here, but as others have said, the NBA is a young man's game, and the longer you wait, and the older you get, if you don't make the improvement year to year, like people expect, it will only hurt your stock. He's definitely a better player than last year, but if he returns, will be make another significant jump?

Great point about the spacing, and playing with better players who can all shoot. Battle will share the ball when he knows the other guy will actually do something useful with it, as we saw in the last game. But why would he pass to Chukwu or Marek?

If he can stretch his 3 a few big steps backwards and if he can continue to involve his teammates on some drives, those things will factor highly in his favor. I think the hitch in his three can be corrected. He had a few jumpers the other day that didn't show that quirk.
 
Whether a player leaves or not can come down to a 4-8 game stretch these days
I doubt it. NBA teams know who these kids are in HS. Malachi had an NBA stroke in college and NBA size. He performed well all season against his peers. And he performed down the stretch against the best players he would face.

NBA GMs aren't catching an occasional sportscenter highlight and drafting off that ...
 
Great point about the spacing, and playing with better players who can all shoot. Battle will share the ball when he knows the other guy will actually do something useful with it, as we saw in the last game. But why would he pass to Chukwu or Marek?

If he can stretch his 3 a few big steps backwards and if he can continue to involve his teammates on some drives, those things will factor highly in his favor. I think the hitch in his three can be corrected. He had a few jumpers the other day that didn't show that quirk.
Yeah. It's strange that his mid range and pull up jumpers don't seem to have all that much hitch in it and they look more or less very smooth. It would seem that taking it out of his long jumpers wouldn't be all that unnatural for him.
 
Another thing on Battle is that he doesn't even flash on his own team.

I watch Brissett and I'm thinking, this dude is a beast. Battle hasn't don't that as much as I thought he would this year...so far.


Scoring 20 points a game, (actually 19.9 at present) is pretty flashy. I guess you mean making Sports Center top ten lists.
 
I doubt it. NBA teams know who these kids are in HS. Malachi had an NBA stroke in college and NBA size. He performed well all season against his peers. And he performed down the stretch against the best players he would face.

NBA GMs aren't catching an occasional sportscenter highlight and drafting off that ...

I never said that was the case. A 4-8 game stretch can make a player feel he's shown enough to get drafted either in the 1st round or just in general.
 
Scoring 20 points a game, (actually 19.9 at present) is pretty flashy. I guess you mean making Sports Center top ten lists.
Brissett isn't making Top Ten Lists on SC either but jumps off the screen. Im clearly judging on a curve as Battle will potentially be playing in the NBA or G-League next year.
 
This is his year to shine, and he'll obviously be testing the waters in the pre-draft. I'll take a shot at his top 6 strong/weak points. On the plus side: 1) excellent strength; 2) ability to score through contact; 3) knack for hitting the big shot in prime time; 4) good size for a SG; 5) while not freakish athletically, quick and strong enough to guard in the NBA; 6) somewhat versatile offensively in that he can score in the half-court at all three levels, can hit contested shots, has a consistent floater and a decent handle.

The concerns will be: 1) is a streaky shooter; 2) doesn't have NBA range; 3) isn't a playmaker; 4) has trouble getting separation on the drive and can't finish with BOTH hands; 5) not great in transition; and 6) has trouble scoring over size at the rim.

He hasn't improved any of his deficits yet, but then again, just staying the same while drawing the other teams best defender (and maybe more than one) may itself be an improvement. Let's see if he can get that other hand going, learn to finish more creatively and start dishing the ball as his team mates improve and present other options. The surrounding cast makes a big difference here --- it's not easy to make other guys better when you're the go-to guy on an offensively challenged team. That will definitely not be an issue in the NBA.
 
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Or is he able to show more with better players around him next year?

I'm usually the "take the NBA money and run" guy, but Battles the only guy we've had that had an option to leave but actually could raise his draft stock.
I think you are correct about having better players around him next year. That is something that can't really be quantified and gives me hope that he will stay to be part of a great team. I imagine this will be the only thread about this topic, so I'll leave my thoughts at that. ;)
 
good questions.
I'd guess that if it was based only on his game performances he wouldn't sniff the 1st round - but I think he'll be one of those guys whose workouts/measurements will help him alot
workouts maybe, measurements not so sure. although he has an nba-ready physique, his reported wingspan of 6-8 on his 6-6 frame is not nba caliber.
now, if he ends up measuring out at 6-4 with that same wingspan, that's a different story
 
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workouts maybe, measurements not so sure. although he has an nba-ready physique, his reported wingspan of 6-8 on his 6-6 frame is not nba caliber.
now, if he ends up measuring out at 6-4 with that same wingspan, that's a different story

He's 6'6 1/2".
 
I'm just not sure if he has a real good trait that matches well with what the NBA wants.

He gets many of his points from the mid range and getting to the line. The NBA is not really interested in a mid range game unless you are a very strong ballhandler who can complement with drawing a tonne of fouls... and there are not many of those in the league.

But I am not a scout. If he can convince someone that he can potentially be at least a 3+D type wing that will get him in the door as well.

Someone has given good advice to our recent recruits in that they have entered the draft and have all been first round draft picks. Either way I support the decision that Battle makes no matter the ultimate result.
 
Problematic? I get the whole wing span thing, but you'd rather have him shorter with a longer wing span and that's good, but taller without the long wing span bad?

Maybe I'm missing something?

I thought wingspan was normally equal to height and thus a 6-8 wing span on a 6-6 man would more than average. .
 

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