Hunt or the WR... who is to blame more?

[rrlbees]

Yes the same Allen that got the start against Wagner and got benched after three 3 and outs to start the game and was replaced by Hunt who lead us on 6 (7?) straight TD drives. Had Allen shown anything early vs Wagner he'd still have the starting job. It's obvious the coaches wanted to give him every chance. This is also the same Allen that threw an INT in the endzone, against backups, to end the game. Remember how critical everyone was against Hunt's TD drive v NW because it was against their 3rd string defense? Of the 12 runs Hunt made with noone open, how many of those do you suppose Allen would've ran on vs throwing into coverage?

Not to defend Allen but the Wagner game was scripted per Shafer. Allen was getting the first 3 series and good or bad, was coming out and Hunt was getting the next 3. Then a decision would be made for the rest of the game. Easy decision.

Those "fans" who booed Allen when he came in Saturday should just stay away.


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[jgeorge322]

Passes to the flat are busts. No one can block and they all end up as no gain or loss. The double pass to Hunt would have beeh a big gainer if the blocker leading the way didn't wiff on the block. Ps what was the initial flag and why was it picked up? 2 forward passes behind the line is allowable? or has the rule changed?

Sorry Orange in Jersey just read your post. I promised I didn't plagerize.

agree, that double pass would have been a TD if not one but two guys didn't completely whiff. at that point, the score would've been 35-21 i believe, at which point, we could've made it competitive the rest of the way.

however, in regards to the initial question, i blame george mcdonald and his playbook.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

You couldn't see this if you were watching the game on TV, but Hunt had no where to go with the ball. Our WR's were blanketed on every pass play.

Broyld had some success over the middle early on, until Clemson figured this out.

Hunt was usually faced with two bad choices: dump the ball underneath, or run on his own.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Not to defend Allen but the Wagner game was scripted per Shafer. Allen was getting the first 3 series and good or bad, was coming out and Hunt was getting the next 3. Then a decision would be made for the rest of the game. Easy decision.

Those "fans" who booed Allen when he came in Saturday should just stay away.

Agree on the fans booing our own player being low rent. I'm not in that crowd by any stretch but admittedly I did laugh when Allen threw the pick. Was icing on the cake and about as predictable as Romo chucking a late pick last night.

My question is, why not Charlie in garbage time? Clemson was on their 3rd qb and what did playing Allen there do for anybody? I'm probably giving the boo birds way too much credit but could some of the boo's be from not using Charlie vs specifically using Allen?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Those "fans" who booed Allen when he came in Saturday should just stay away.

By the time Allen came in, most of the "casual" fans had left, and only the diehard fans were remaining.

That's disturbing.

I'd suppose they would boo twice as loud if Hunt had been injured late in the 4th quarter.

 

[upperdeck]

there were plays with no one open.. but there were many with 2-3 guys open.. the one INT was because he under threw west on the sideline. he made some bad decisions and got hurried a few times. it all adds up.

 

[orangeinjersey]

Don't get it wrong though, Good QB play is a difference maker too. What I mean is, when i got home yesterday i watched all the big plays on the DVR. TB made passes in stride, right in the bread basket. Hunt is 3 years younger, and much less expereinced, but he makes those passes 3 yards too short or 3 yards too long, resulting in incompletions and or interceptions. That completion to Broyld in the 1st qtr, he hits him in stride, it goes for 6.

I'm glad we played the #3 team in the country. Hopefully these kids got some humble pie, after spanking the high school teams. There is a lot of work to be done if we want to beat the NCStates, and Md's of the ACC.

 

[k cuse]

Allen missed open receivers. Hunt didn't have open receivers. If Allen were the QB last night there would have been far, far more sacks and a couple less first downs.

so your saying Hunts 8 completions, 3 INTs and less than 60 yards was better then Allens two starts? Hunt had open recievers but didnt see them at times. Just like Allen did Hunt fixed on one receiver and didnt check down . Allen deserved to get benched after how well hunt played in the wagner and tulane games but maybe now we see why hunt was not the starter coming out of camp.

 

[orangeinjersey]

so your saying Hunts 8 completions, 3 INTs and less than 60 yards was better then Allens two starts? Hunt had open recievers but didnt see them at times. Just like Allen did Hunt fixed on one receiver and didnt check down . Allen deserved to get benched after how well hunt played in the wagner and tulane games but maybe now we see why hunt was not the starter coming out of camp.

How many sacks does Allen take Saturday that Hunt didnt? How many yards gained on the ground does Allen make that Hunt made yesterday on busted plays? How many pics does Allen throw yesterday? Neither are world beaters when it comes to passing, but Hunt provides for a larger margin of error for the offense.

 

[SteveC]

so your saying Hunts 8 completions, 3 INTs and less than 60 yards was better then Allens two starts? Hunt had open recievers but didnt see them at times. Just like Allen did Hunt fixed on one receiver and didnt check down . Allen deserved to get benched after how well hunt played in the wagner and tulane games but maybe now we see why hunt was not the starter coming out of camp.

No, what i'm saying is Allen would have been even worse than Hunt yesterday.

 

[k cuse]

Yes the same Allen that got the start against Wagner and got benched after three 3 and outs to start the game and was replaced by Hunt who lead us on 6 (7?) straight TD drives. Had Allen shown anything early vs Wagner he'd still have the starting job. It's obvious the coaches wanted to give him every chance. This is also the same Allen that threw an INT in the endzone, against backups, to end the Clemson game. Remember how critical everyone was of Hunt's TD drive v NW because it was against their 3rd string defense? Of the 12 runs Hunt made with noone open, how many of those do you suppose Allen would've ran on vs throwing into coverage?

The Int to end the game was a horrible play call. allen was throwing into a traffic jam. play made no sense what so ever.

 

[k cuse]

How many sacks does Allen take Saturday that Hunt didnt? How many yards gained on the ground does Allen make that Hunt made yesterday on busted plays? How many pics does Allen throw yesterday? Neither are world beaters when it comes to passing, but Hunt provides for a larger margin of error for the offense.

larger margin of error? really. Neither qb was going to win that game sunday. Hunt throw for less than 60 yards and 3ints and you are saying Allen would be worse? How much worse could he be. Im not defending Allen or attacking Hunt. I think they both have major flaws. Im just not lookin at it with blinders on.

 

[SteveC]

larger margin of error? really. Neither qb was going to win that game sunday. Hunt throw for less than 60 yards and 3ints and you are saying Allen would be worse? How much worse could he be. Im not defending Allen or attacking Hunt. I think they both have major flaws. Im just not lookin at it with blinders on.

He could have been worse. Do you remember that sack Allen took where the D-lineman was literally right in front of him. it looked like Allen was staring right at him. It was against PSU i think. That one play is how i'm going to remember Allen. Absolutely no pocket awareness and with a less than stellar line, pocket awareness is the one thing you definitely need.

 

[orangeinjersey]

larger margin of error? really. Neither qb was going to win that game sunday. Hunt throw for less than 60 yards and 3ints and you are saying Allen would be worse? How much worse could he be. Im not defending Allen or attacking Hunt. I think they both have major flaws. Im just not lookin at it with blinders on.

Honestly, I am thinking if you had Allen in the game from the start, you will have more passing yards but at the expense of 5+ pics and plenty more sacks.

 

[phil77]

It is my opinion that neither Allen or Hunt are the answer and I hope Hunt gets recruited over. Not sure he has the arm to win big time games. Playing the likes of Clemson and FSU we will not be having people running wide open the QB will have to make some big time throws and I am not sure Hunt can do that.

But I have said from day 1 in the PSU game the WR's are the major problem. Outside of Broyld the ones that play are low level D1 talent.

 

[ImperialOrange]

The Int to end the game was a horrible play call. allen was throwing into a traffic jam. play made no sense what so ever.

Correct, at which point Hunt would've ran and been close to, if not in, the end zone. It's a better choice than throwing into a traffic jam.

It was also laughable that we were still running the read option with Allen in there because everyone, including opposing d coordinators, know he's not going to keep it. The first play he could've ran a long way untouched if he pulled the ball and kept it. The LB's and DE didn't even flinch on moving towards Allen and instead all crushed the RB in the hole.

 

[ImperialOrange]

It is my opinion that neither Allen or Hunt are the answer and I hope Hunt gets recruited over. Not sure he has the arm to win big time games. Playing the likes of Clemson and FSU we will not be having people running wide open the QB will have to make some big time throws and I am not sure Hunt can do that.

But I have said from day 1 in the PSU game the WR's are the major problem. Outside of Broyld the ones that play are low level D1 talent.

Hunt can be as good as the pieces around him allow. I'm not sure he is talented enough to lift the level of play of those around him though. Time will tell.

 

[Louie and Bouie]

Funny when Allen was in there it was his fault. Now that Hunt is in there its the WRs fault. With those same recievers Allen throw for a heck of a lot more yards and complete way more passes. yes he did throw many picks but so did Hunt in his first action against a good def. Just sayin.

THIS. Very surprised that everyone is ducking Hunt's numbers and performance in this game. He missed throws in this one (watch the replay) and didn't play well. There's really no getting around this. He's a Cuse guy so he gets a pass on critique? Hmmm. Interesting.

 

[PhatOrange]

West should be in the slot. They're mis-using him.

 

[Alsacs]

larger margin of error? really. Neither qb was going to win that game sunday. Hunt throw for less than 60 yards and 3ints and you are saying Allen would be worse? How much worse could he be. Im not defending Allen or attacking Hunt. I think they both have major flaws. Im just not lookin at it with blinders on.

If you can't acknowledge with your own eyes that Hunt is the better QB than Allen you either 1. have an attachment to Allen or 2. don't care for Hunt. Hunt has more upside, is younger and potential to be better in the future as well as now, is more mobile, has been part of the program for 3 years, and knows his teammates better. There is no discussion IMO Allen had his chances against Penn State and Northwestern and flushed them down the toilet. How many batted passes does Hunt have in 3 games versus 2 from Allen? Allen is a good kid, but had his chance and I am glad we are going with Hunt now.

 

[PhatOrange]

Hunt is a redshirt soph who didn't play well in his 3rd ever game against the #3 team in the nation…wow I'm shocked.

Allen is a 5th year senior (albeit career backup) who’s looked like garbage in his opportunities.

 

[Millhouse]

Hunt is a redshirt soph who didn't play well in his 3rd ever game against the #3 team in the nation…wow I'm shocked.

Allen is a 5th year senior (albeit career backup) who’s looked like garbage in his opportunities.

i think they're crazy for not starting the year with him but hunt was completely atrocious. just not playing well would've been a huge upgrade.

 

[PhatOrange]

i think they're crazy for not starting the year with him but hunt was completely atrocious. just not playing well would've been a huge upgrade.

i didn't see the game but the stats look atrocious. I'm not surprised he played poorly though, the comp he faced was obviously on the other end of the spectrum. The next few games will be more a measuring stick for Hunt's ability but even so it won't define his career potential.

Most of the arm chair QB's around here were recruiting over Nassib in his first season to.

 

[Millhouse]

i didn't see the game but the stats look atrocious. I'm not surprised he played poorly though, the comp he faced was obviously on the other end of the spectrum. The next few games will be more a measuring stick for Hunt's ability but even so it won't define his career potential.

Most of the arm chair QB's around here were recruiting over Nassib in his first season to.

i would prefer to not have to wait for the light bulb to go on a few games into a senior season

i don't know what to think about hunt yet. but i don't want to be sitting here in september of 2015 hearing about how long it took nassib

 

[MikeSU02]

This is kind of like the chicken or the egg argument. While I can not disagree that Hunt is the choice over Allen for this season, I still wonder if he is what we need to take the next step. It seems hard to tell though since our WR's are probably among the worst in D1 as a collective unit.

West is not a starter. He actually appears to be the worst of our entire bunch. Until they get Estime on the field and let him get some touches, we will continue to be a very predictable offense. Broyld and Estime need to play almost every snap. Same for Kobena. I could care less if the others ever play.

All i know is 8-24 with 3 INT and less than 100 yds passing is pathetic and things need to change.

PS - did we cut all of our TE's? They get no looks either. Baffling.

Our best WR is our starting H Back.

It's the WRs.