I’d keeping playing both qb’s. Still not very clear, IMO. What sucks is that cant run the same offense

[IthacaBarrel]

Tough spot to be in

 

[Cuse69]

Tough spot to be in

Idk why he has to pick one, Notre Dame has played 2 QB's all season. One can be the primary guy but no reason both cannot play, if he's gonna ride with TD next week if he struggles GS should be an option. I'd continue playing both if it was up to me

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Idk why he has to pick one, Notre Dame has played 2 QB's all season. One can be the primary guy but no reason both cannot play, if he's gonna ride with TD next week if he struggles GS should be an option. I'd continue playing both if it was up to me

agree 100%, neither is great but they both bring other options to table

 

[Trueblue25]

Hate going with two QB’s. It doesn’t seem to work outside of Bama.

I think we’re better off picking and dying by one. We havent diversified our gameplan enough to scheme appropriately for one let alone two

 

[PhatOrange]

I know Dino hates to be predictable (or at least says so) but I’d use Shrader in some short yardage run packages even if it’s obvious I might, and probably will run. You force them to account for it and then you can run some wrinkles and options. Much like rutgers did with their big qb.

 

[upperdeck]

I think TD runs the offense good or bad.. Shrader is like the athletic kid who can make plays but not really a QB.. If they want to play Shrader they need to run it more to make it work. You could really see the hitch in his throw today.

 

[CIL]

I think TD runs the offense good or bad.. Shrader is like the athletic kid who can make plays but not really a QB.. If they want to play Shrader they need to run it more to make it work. You could really see the hitch in his throw today.

Ish…Schrader can make throws. My guess is he was pressing a bit out there.

But IB is right - this offense would look very Dungey-eque with Schrader full time. Tommy is much more the short passing game with some downfield action.

Personally, I think Syracuse would be better off recruiting Schrader types. We will never have an OL that will allow 4-5 second progressions for the QB on every snap. And Tommy really struggles making anything happen under pressure. Throws a great ball when 1 is open or he has time.

I would rather have Schrader full time - he brings the RPO, read-option, and play action game to the table.

I don’t think this game showed us anything. Schrader made a bad throw forcing it into coverage - Tommy basically got himself killed because he has very little idea what to do when things break down.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Ish…Schrader can make throws. My guess is he was pressing a bit out there.

But IB is right - this offense would look very Dungey-eque with Schrader full time. Tommy is much more the short passing game with some downfield action.

Personally, I think Syracuse would be better off recruiting Schrader types. We will never have an OL that will allow 4-5 second progressions for the QB on every snap. And Tommy really struggles making anything happen under pressure. Throws a great ball when 1 is open or he has time.

I would rather have Schrader full time - he brings the RPO, read-option, and play action game to the table.

I don’t think this game showed us anything. Schrader made a bad throw forcing it into coverage - Tommy basically got himself killed because he has very little idea what to do when things break down.

Excellent post by CIL, Schaefer is pushing probably because he feels like he hasn’t gotten a fair shot. Just my opinion

 

[upperdeck]

to me he looks confused almost every play, pressing or not.. Just pick one have him play a half and see what happens next week.. but if you want to use Shrader then he needs to be running RPO way more than we do now. he may have an upside to moving the ball with a lesser oline for sure. I think he goes with TD and we see what happens next week and if it becomes a 2 score game he switches pretty early, either way we cant go to the half with no offense next week.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Shrader has not shown enough and has not earned it. But I do think he has the biggest upside given the players around him. I would play both but if you have to go with one I think it should be Shrader. Plus if you ever need a relief pitcher Tommy can come on to sling it around. You cannot say the same about Shrader should we be down and need a come back.

 

[baggerbob]

Ish…Schrader can make throws. My guess is he was pressing a bit out there.

But IB is right - this offense would look very Dungey-eque with Schrader full time. Tommy is much more the short passing game with some downfield action.

Personally, I think Syracuse would be better off recruiting Schrader types. We will never have an OL that will allow 4-5 second progressions for the QB on every snap. And Tommy really struggles making anything happen under pressure. Throws a great ball when 1 is open or he has time.

I would rather have Schrader full time - he brings the RPO, read-option, and play action game to the table.

I don’t think this game showed us anything. Schrader made a bad throw forcing it into coverage - Tommy basically got himself killed because he has very little idea what to do when things break down.

You notice there weren't a lot of drops, on the short passes, because Schrader gets the ball out but doesn't throw a bullet. He gives his receivers the ability to catch and run. He doesn't throw it so hard that it can knock them down.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Hate going with two QB’s. It doesn’t seem to work outside of Bama.

I think we’re better off picking and dying by one. We havent diversified our gameplan enough to scheme appropriately for one let alone two

Here is why the argument “it doesn’t work” doesn’t make sense to me. If you play one guy all game and lose, did that work?

 

[NineOneSeven]

We have two very different style guys. Shrader certainly is more comfortable making moves with his legs, and the overall accuracy isn’t quite there. Certainly more no no no yes with him. Clearly his style is similar to eric dungey. On the other side, devito is less comfortable on the move (better this year) and can make some great passes from the pocket. We have seen it. But sometimes being low risk is detrimental to the team. The styles are quite different. It’s very interesting actually.

 

[orangenauburn]

Agree with everything said. Tommy gives you the deep ball and experience. Shrader gives you the dump offs and underneath stuff.

Play them both situationally as needed, not pre planned

 

[Trueblue25]

Here is why the argument “it doesn’t work” doesn’t make sense to me. If you play one guy all game and lose, did that work?

I can’t think of many multi qb scenarios that worked aside from OSU and Bama.

Im not impressed by either option and wish Jacobian got some play vs Albany.

I don’t think the staff can switch them in and out at appropriate times and we’re already an offense that’s perpetually out of sync.

I say pick one

 

[Chip]

Based on today I’d give DeVito Liberty or give him death.

Need Shrader to keep getting better so he’s ready as the backup and also for the future.

 

[CapitalO]

I can’t think of many multi qb scenarios that worked aside from OSU and Bama.

Im not impressed by either option and wish Jacobian got some play vs Albany.

I don’t think the staff can switch them in and out at appropriate times and we’re already an offense that’s perpetually out of sync.

I say pick one

I would pick Schrader at least he has the ( potential ) to get better each game with Tommy what you see is you get he's not going to get any better plus it might prompt him to bolt after this season so we can groom guys like Morgan and Lamson to challange to be starters or solid back ups.

 

[Deleted member 8116]

Tommy can throw a good deep ball or he can take a bad sack and miss open receivers because they weren’t his first read.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I can’t think of many multi qb scenarios that worked aside from OSU and Bama.

Im not impressed by either option and wish Jacobian got some play vs Albany.

I don’t think the staff can switch them in and out at appropriate times and we’re already an offense that’s perpetually out of sync.

I say pick one

Given the overall talent on O, we should be running the ball or passing it short just about every play. In that case, Shrader is the better option. If we fall behind and need to go pass happy, then bring Tommy in. That IMO gives us the best chance at winning. It isn't about who is the best QB, but who is the best fit for the talent around him.

 

[Trueblue25]

Given the overall talent on O, we should be running the ball or passing it short just about every play. In that case, Shrader is the better option. If we fall behind and need to go pass happy, then bring Tommy in. That IMO gives us the best chance at winning. It isn't about who is the best QB, but who is the best fit for the talent around him.

Thats fine and make sense. Sounds more like starting Garrett and going with Tommy to throw the D off balance similar to 2018 vs UNC, if necessary

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I would pick Schrader at least he has the ( potential ) to get better each game with Tommy what you see is you get he's not going to get any better

This makes no sense to me.

Among the knocks on DeVito were that when plays broke down he falls apart, he's one dimensional as a passer, and he takes too many sacks that he could throw the ball away on.

The DeVito we're seeing this season has made plays scrambling and moving out of the pocket to complete passes to keep drives alive, is having pretty good success keeping the ball on RPO, and has avoided some sacks by throwing it oob.

That's a QB that's getting better.

Meanwhile there's this belief that Shrader is just going to get better the more he's out there because of... reasons?

And granted, small sample size, but did the dude look much different today vs against Rutgers? Looked like the same guy to me.

This is what I think is happening - DeVito has too much baggage for some to acknowledge the improvements he's made. Shrader doesn't carry any of that psychic hangover, plus people want to project Dungey on to him, which isn't really fair, or all that accurate a comparison. But it's there. So we get these mythologies that Shrader suddenly becomes a significantly better QB for our offense if he just plays more.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

If people are in the camp that they just want what looks like the more dual threat QB out there, that's fine. I just don't see how you can look at the way these guys have played and come away with the conclusion that Shrader definitely has it. Especially since DeVito also has a better ypc than Shrader.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It also seems like Shrader has more swagger. We need that again in both sports. Dungey had that. The BBall team used to have plenty of it but we haven't had those types of players since Ennis?

 

[David321]

I think that when one can’t decide between two QBs, the logical answer is to go with the younger one. Higher ceiling.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This makes no sense to me.

Among the knocks on DeVito were that when plays broke down he falls apart, he's one dimensional as a passer, and he takes too many sacks that he could throw the ball away on.

The DeVito we're seeing this season has made plays scrambling and moving out of the pocket to complete passes to keep drives alive, is having pretty good success keeping the ball on RPO, and has avoided some sacks by throwing it oob.

That's a QB that's getting better.

Meanwhile there's this belief that Shrader is just going to get better the more he's out there because of... reasons?

And granted, small sample size, but did the dude look much different today vs against Rutgers? Looked like the same guy to me.

This is what I think is happening - DeVito has too much baggage for some to acknowledge the improvements he's made. Shrader doesn't carry any of that psychic hangover, plus people want to project Dungey on to him, which isn't really fair, or all that accurate a comparison. But it's there. So we get these mythologies that Shrader suddenly becomes a significantly better QB for our offense if he just plays more.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

If people are in the camp that they just want what looks like the more dual threat QB out there, that's fine. I just don't see how you can look at the way these guys have played and come away with the conclusion that Shrader definitely has it. Especially since DeVito also has a better ypc than Shrader.

He needs to show it vs decent competition. Against Rutgers he was sacked 4 times vs 26 pass attempts, had an intentional grounding, a fumble, and iNT, was under 60% passing, and had a rating under 100. Doing it vs Ohio and Albany is like doing it in 2019 vs WMU and Holy Cross.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

He needs to show it vs decent competition. Against Rutgers he was sacked 4 times vs 26 pass attempts, had an intentional grounding, a fumble, and iNT, was under 60% passing, and had a rating under 100. Doing it vs Ohio and Albany is like doing it in 2019 vs WMU and Holy Cross.

Agreed, we need him to be better against better competition.

But that's not the standard being applied to Shrader.

Why?