I am sure I will get killed for this

[CapitalO]

But at what point do we start asking some tough questions about the HC. Its year 5 and we look like its year 1 out there save for the defense..

Clearly 2018 was outstanding but its looking more and more like an outlier. Were in year 5 still making the same mistakes over and over and over.

Zero discipline, same pre snap and dumb penalties and clock management that would make Coach P and Deleone blush. Coordinators changed but offense is just as bad and we still have no idea how to run an offense in the red zone or manage the clock. QB is barren besides Devito and despite a pass heavy offense its been beyond a struggle to get a 4 star QB or WR to come on board.

Not calling for Babers to be let go that's crazy but its a real bad sign in my mind that were seeing the same issues yet again.

I am a Dino fan but after todays performance per players/coaching you would have thought GROB was the coach out there , this is just a thought to share and everyone has the right to reply in anyway they would like if this team went 2/10 or worse ? and Marrone was available after this NFL season what would your thoughts be.

 

[Steelerswan]

Well, TD did win two of those games for us. Let's not have a rosey retrospect. People wanted to bench Dungey after Pitt and UNC.

Coming off the bench is much easier and set up than is being the man where teams are scheming and prepping for you all week.

 

[syrBossHogg]

Coming off the bench is much easier and set up than is being the man where teams are scheming and prepping for you all week.

It is? Why don't teams do it more often

 

[JeremyCuse]

Well I haven't heard "We didn't have the tape" in the press conference yet so I guess that's a plus.

 

[Steelerswan]

I thought TD was bad but the play calling worse. Why are we not using the playmakers strengths? Nykeim and Jordan are both built for speed but neither used on outside plus in either end around pop passes plain end around a or outside run plays. Instead we continued to pound Jordan up the middle of a suspect oline.

And that's why coaching is the issue here. The play calling was atrocious. Should have been slinging and calling with house $$$ today. Not getting JJ in space is unexplainable.

 

[JeffCuse]

I'll say it. If our offense looks like this at the end of the season, it's absolutely an indictment on Dino. Fine giving him one more year but he absolutely 100% is in win or go home mode in 2021.

 

[Briancuse]

But at what point do we start asking some tough questions about the HC. Its year 5 and we look like its year 1 out there save for the defense..

Clearly 2018 was outstanding but its looking more and more like an outlier. Were in year 5 still making the same mistakes over and over and over.

Zero discipline, same pre snap and dumb penalties and clock management that would make Coach P and Deleone blush. Coordinators changed but offense is just as bad and we still have no idea how to run an offense in the red zone or manage the clock. QB is barren besides Devito and despite a pass heavy offense its been beyond a struggle to get a 4 star QB or WR to come on board.

Not calling for Babers to be let go that's crazy but its a real bad sign in my mind that were seeing the same issues yet again.

Your a 100 pct right. He's a very likeable guy. But this is his 5th year and he's had one winning season. We looked like an fcs team today. He needs to take some heat.

 

[Bayside44]

I am not talking individual games. BC has made a Bowl 6 of the last 7 years. Wake has made a Bowl the last 4 years. That is all I am asking from SU. That is my point. Not sure where you are trying to twist this to. If you think SU is on par with BC and Wake as a program, I don't know what to tell you. Whether we beat Wake/BC or not in a single season, we have made a Bowl only SIX times in the 2000s. I'll trade with either of those programs in a heartbeat the last 20 years. is asking for our HC to be on par as a program with Wake or BC asking too much? If so, we can all give up.

You're doing the twisting. What does the last 20 years have to do with Babers? We lost a game today to a team that recruits a lot better for obvious reasons. WE missed very makable plays and have a couple of guys out there in positions of need that are only there due to unforeseen circumstances.

 

[orange7]

I am a Dino fan but after todays performance per players/coaching you would have thought GROB was the coach out there , this is just a thought to share and everyone has the right to reply in anyway they would like if this team went 2/10 or worse ? and Marrone was available after this NFL season what would your thoughts be.

very easily answer to your last sentence IMO.

 

[JRHEETER]

He should have been in win or go home mode this season.

A few of us were saying this last season but basically were told we were idiots.

 

[dasher]

He should have been in win or go home mode this season.

A few of us were saying this last season but basically were told we were idiots.

you were saying that last year after a 10 win season in year 3 ? Wow.

 

[orange7]

I’ll continue to say it. We will have a new coach in 2022

 

[JeremyCuse]

I don’t think our team knows. Dino created his own madden custom playbook with 15 different variations of HB dice

The lack of misdirection is mindboggling and honestly bizarre. I mean how about a counter or ya know a reverse or trick play or instead of running Jordan off tackle for a loss two straight times inside the 5, how about play action where he runs a wheel route or leaks out to the sideline like Deleone used to call all the time, naked boot something

 

[Briancuse]

You're doing the twisting. What does the last 20 years have to do with Babers? We lost a game today to a team that recruits a lot better for obvious reasons. WE missed very makable plays and have a couple of guys out there in positions of need that are only there due to unforeseen circumstances.

Unc is nothing special. We looked like an Fcs team today.

 

[JeffCuse]

The lack of misdirection is mindboggling and honestly bizarre. I mean how about a counter or ya know a reverse or trick play or instead of running Jordan off tackle for a loss two straight times inside the 5, how about play action where he runs a wheel route or leaks out to the sideline like Deleone used to call all the time, naked boot something

How about throwing to a TE 10 yards downfield on 1st down? How about having the WR break across the field instead of out of bounds?

 

[JeremyCuse]

I am a Dino fan but after todays performance per players/coaching you would have thought GROB was the coach out there , this is just a thought to share and everyone has the right to reply in anyway they would like if this team went 2/10 or worse ? and Marrone was available after this NFL season what would your thoughts be.

Would be tough to not bring back Marrone if Babers keeps struggling. Marrone hates recruiting though so.....

 

[Steelerswan]

This offense is broken and remains broken. How many years can we watch these defenses carry the load carry the load carry the load and then finally break while the offense looks amateur hour? And its not all Devito. The play calling is predictable and not even a bit creative. The team has no discipline. The routes are stupid and too close to the sideline. We refuse to stretch the field beyond the occasional downfield chuck 3 yards out of bounds. And Devito now has gone from careless at points last season to ultra risk averse to the point of throwing balls away down big in the 4th when we really have no time left to punt away and try again later.

We have a bowl-ready defense and a pop warner offense and it is utterly miserable to watch. I'm starting to believe Eric Dungey succeeded despite Dino.

Spot on whether people want to believe or not. ED won and covered up crappy play calling and OL play and he made all better around him. This O and its decisions mind boggle. Continues to neglect the center of the field where TDs arm could really be on display.

 

[orange7]

Would be tough to not bring back Marrone if Babers keeps struggling. Marrone hates recruiting though so...

I’d bring him back.

 

[baggerbob]

Coming off the bench is much easier and set up than is being the man where teams are scheming and prepping for you all week.

And his start against Notre Dame was really bad.

 

[gmoney44]

Pitts a middle of the pack ACC team where as UNC theoretically may challenge Clemson (if anyone can outside ND). Yes we suck at Pitt, historically, but a crowdless game in late september’s the best we could ask for.

Every home game at Pitt is crowdless.

 

[OrangePA]

this program has had three coaches in the last 10 years, 4 in the last 12. Before that 4 in 50+

you know the sign of a bad program, chasing results by firing coaches.

same stupidity that dumped on P and poisoned that well and were screaming to get rid of marrone

Got to hang with Dino.

The Program needs stability.

With the new Dome and improved facilities Dino will recruit better - as our most recent signings seem to indicate.

Hang in there!

 

[syrBossHogg]

I’d bring him back.

Hell no

 

[NineOneSeven]

Well I haven't heard "We didn't have the tape" in the press conference yet so I guess that's a plus.

Lighten up everyone... lot more serious stuff going on like covid, wildfires after gender reveal parties, child sex trafficking, destructive hurricanes... lol guys it's just football see you next week

 

[CuseLegacy]

I have some takes on the President. Can I share them here?

Try it and see what happens.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You're doing the twisting. What does the last 20 years have to do with Babers? We lost a game today to a team that recruits a lot better for obvious reasons. WE missed very makable plays and have a couple of guys out there in positions of need that are only there due to unforeseen circumstances.

What? Seriously? Why can’t we be like Wake or BC as a program? That is where I started and where I remained. If you think we are on par with them, we will agree to disagree.

This thread wasn’t created because of today’s game but the last 50 games. Why do you keep bringing up today? If our failures are just today this whole conversation would be silly. Maybe you have been sleeping the last 13 games.