I can't be the only one who wonders about Broyld at QB

[Millhouse]

i'm not trying to start a big thing here. I'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses because I think he deserves some credit for the improvement in the run game. this is just what if, at this point you can't drop him in there

but Hunt is 18-44 for 126 yards 0 TDs and 5 INT in the ACC. His conference passer rating so far is 42

Drew Allen is 46-82 for 485 yards 1 TD and 7 INT against BCS competition for a passer rating of 93.

A qb rating of 93 stinks, don't get me wrong. There's a good argument for saying, "42 or 93, what's the difference, we're going to lose either way, let's play the guy who can run."

But a qb rating of 42 over two games, with two games in a row at 61 or lower rating... That is unbelievably terrible. The last time that's happened was 2008 vs Rutgers and UConn (29 QB rating in those 2 games). Didn't happen in 2007. Not sure about prior years.

A lot of this is on the WR. I'm having Fontenette flashbacks. But a 42?!?

Broyld wouldn't get to throw to Broyld so that would hurt him. You have to wonder a little whether he'd be better though. Bar is set pretty low.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Did you see Broyld's pass on that trick play?

In all seriousness you can't use that to gauge his ability, but all of this Broyld qb talk just needs to end. What we need to do is get him the ball more.

 

[longislandcuse]

Honestly wouldnt mind running Broyld out of the Wildcat formation. Split Hunt out wide and just run Broyld wildcat on first or second down here and there.

 

[CU44SE]

Seriously? Hunt is a redshirt sophomore and it is his third career start, there is going to be hiccups. McD has not put him in the greatest situations either. We have a great running team, we need to run the ball to set up the pass. Unfortunately, we are passing to set up the run. There is not a ton of experience at the position, its going to take time.

 

[CIL]

You can think about it all day...it's just not going to happen. Hunt's arm strength is Jeff George-esque compared to Broyld.

 

[NineOneSeven]

You can think about it all day...it's just not going to happen. Hunt's arm strength is Jeff George-esque compared to Broyld.

^Kind of like me when I daydream about being Tom Brady both on the field and off the field

 

[orangeinjersey]

All talk of Broyld at QB should absolutely have ended after that HB throwback they tried to pull off last week. That thing looked as though it was shot the minute it left his hand. Add that to the whispers that he couldnt grasp the playbook, when I believe he himself said in camp this year that last years playbook only had "like 9 plays" vs the 100's of plays in this years.

 

[Millhouse]

You can think about it all day...it's just not going to happen. Hunt's arm strength is Jeff George-esque compared to Broyld.

what part of my post made you think that I thought it was ever going to happen

Seriously? Hunt is a redshirt sophomore and it is his third career start, there is going to be hiccups. McD has not put him in the greatest situations either. We have a great running team, we need to run the ball to set up the pass. Unfortunately, we are passing to set up the run. There is not a ton of experience at the position, its going to take time.

these are not the usual type of redshirt sophomore hiccups

this is dantley and arob at their worst

 

[007]

i'm not trying to start a big thing here. I'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses because I think he deserves some credit for the improvement in the run game. this is just what if, at this point you can't drop him in there

but Hunt is 18-44 for 126 yards 0 TDs and 5 INT in the ACC. His conference passer rating so far is 42

Drew Allen is 46-82 for 485 yards 1 TD and 7 INT against BCS competition for a passer rating of 93.

A qb rating of 93 stinks, don't get me wrong. There's a good argument for saying, "42 or 93, what's the difference, we're going to lose either way, let's play the guy who can run."

But a qb rating of 42 over two games, with two games in a row at 61 or lower rating... That is unbelievably terrible. The last time that's happened was 2008 vs Rutgers and UConn (29 QB rating in those 2 games). Didn't happen in 2007. Not sure about prior years.

A lot of this is on the WR. I'm having Fontenette flashbacks. But a 42?!?

Broyld wouldn't get to throw to Broyld so that would hurt him. You have to wonder a little whether he'd be better though. Bar is set pretty low.

We have seen 2 entirely different staffs evaluate AB's ability to contribute as a QB and come away with the same conclusions. I know the value you place on analytical reasoning, this one seems pretty easy. The staff(s) has a lot more data points than you do.

And, although it would be hard to play worse that 42 rating and 41% pass completion rate; the impact on the running game would be far worse. Teams would quickly learn that AB can not make many of the under throws necessary to keep 7 and 8 guys out of the box.

 

[Millhouse]

You can think about it all day...it's just not going to happen. Hunt's arm strength is Jeff George-esque compared to Broyld.

part of my wondering what if assumes that broyld would throw better if that was all he did in practice (vs playing wide receiver, h back, running back, third base, setter, point forward, coxswain)

 

[Dcuse]

what part of my post made you think that I thought it was ever going to happen


these are not the usual type of redshirt sophomore hiccups

this is dantley and arob at their worst

What part of YOUR post makes any sense. Thank God you're not making any position decisions for this team.

 

[Chip]

these are not the usual type of redshirt sophomore hiccups

this is dantley and arob at their worst

I still think it's too early to know that. New offense, first time ever playing. You can say Nassib was better as a sophomore, but recall the things you and I both thought about Nassib that year and then fast forward to his senior year. None of us thought that possible.

Even though I see the board setting up its next chicken or egg showdown (QB or WRs?), don't discount that the issues are likely both. Which means an issue with WRs. It's easier to watch a game on TV and note the missed passes. It's a lot harder to see all the other plays where no one is open.

Broyld's throw to Kobena might have been due to the conditions (as could some of Hunts, no QB was completing passes Saturday), but if not, that Broyld throw screamed that no safety would ever need to backpeddle if he were our QB.

 

[Orangepace]

All talk of Broyld at QB should absolutely have ended after that HB throwback they tried to pull off last week. That thing looked as though it was shot the minute it left his hand. Add that to the whispers that he couldnt grasp the playbook, when I believe he himself said in camp this year that last years playbook only had "like 9 plays" vs the 100's of plays in this years.

I don't disagree that Broyld is not the answer at QB, however, few things...

QB's wear different pads than HB's/WR's. Evaluating a WR throwing vs. a QB throwing isn't entirely fair. That said, typically the pad issue results in balls being thrown awry, not necessarily distance issues. That ball was a good 25-30 yards short..

 

[Millhouse]

What part of YOUR post makes any sense. Thank God you're not making any position decisions for this team.

i didn't expect any reference to numbers to make any sense to you

 

[bnoro]

Honestly wouldnt mind running Broyld out of the Wildcat formation. Split Hunt out wide and just run Broyld wildcat on first or second down here and there.

Does anyone still use the wildcat? Worst gimmick there is.

 

[CU44SE]

these are not the usual type of redshirt sophomore hiccups

this is dantley and arob at their worst

I cant believe you actually believe that. So your talking about Andrew Robinson who lost his job to Cameron Dantley who threw for 130 yards and -25 rushing yards and lost to Akron 42-28? Threw for 160 yards, 26 rushing yards in a 30-21 win against Northeastern? Or the 38 passing yards and -15 rushing yards in a 39-14 loss to Connecticut? The 59 yards and 5 yards in a 30-10 loss also look really good. I can go on if you want but all these games came at the end of his Jr and senior year. Hunt is making his 3rd career start for crist sakes. I cant believe you actually believe he looks worse than dantley and arob did at their worst.

 

[xc84]

I can't be the only one who wonders about Broyld at QB

Seems like you ARE the only one wondering about Broyld at QB. I think Hunt will continue to have good and bad games. The good thing is, we won this past week even though he didn't have a good game. Despite lots of penalties and mistakes by others too... we won. I think Hunt has good games in him. We'll see.

 

[Millhouse]

I cant believe you actually believe that. So your talking about Andrew Robinson who lost his job to Cameron Dantley who threw for 130 yards and -25 rushing yards and lost to Akron 42-28? Threw for 160 yards, 26 rushing yards in a 30-21 win against Northeastern? Or the 38 passing yards and -15 rushing yards in a 39-14 loss to Connecticut? The 59 yards and 5 yards in a 30-10 loss also look really good. I can go on if you want but all these games came at the end of his Jr and senior year. Hunt is making his 3rd career start for crist sakes. I cant believe you actually believe he looks worse than dantley and arob did at their worst.

i like how he runs the ball. i said that from the get go. i was clear i was talking about passing. passer ratings rate passing. i thought everyone knew that.

it was not hard to predict that knuckleheads will come out of the woodwork to flip out at someone daring to wonder if broyld might have been better had he kept playing QB

but if you reread the first three sentences of the thread you'll see that i'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses and give him credit for his rushing production.

 

[Millhouse]

I still think it's too early to know that. New offense, first time ever playing. You can say Nassib was better as a sophomore, but recall the things you and I both thought about Nassib that year and then fast forward to his senior year. None of us thought that possible.

Even though I see the board setting up its next chicken or egg showdown (QB or WRs?), don't discount that the issues are likely both. Which means an issue with WRs. It's easier to watch a game on TV and note the missed passes. It's a lot harder to see all the other plays where no one is open.

Broyld's throw to Kobena might have been due to the conditions (as could some of Hunts, no QB was completing passes Saturday), but if not, that Broyld throw screamed that no safety would ever need to backpeddle if he were our QB.

i think the WR are to blame for quite a bit - which is why I favor hunt over allen - whatever strengths allen has are moot with this receiving corp

i think it says something that not even paulus in the depths of bubble screen hell had 2 games in a row with passing numbers that bad

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm wondering less about Broyld at QB, and more about how realistic it is that we see Wilson/Kimble/Long next season at QB. I would say Hunt doesn't exactly have a stranglehold on the position.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Personally, it looks to me that they have have implemented more of the playbook into the last two games, which was actually our problem in the first two games. They scaled the playbook back to a few sets and a handful of plassing plays against weaker competition and it worked. And actually our two 50 pt games have forced teams to play more for the pass therefore taking that away a little as well, thusly resulting in 750 rushing yards in two games. I expect next week or soon someone will try to stuff the box and that top may open up a bit. OF course they can play us up top all day long if we can keep averaging 350 yards on the ground.

 

[Chip]

i think the WR are to blame for quite a bit - which is why I favor hunt over allen - whatever strengths allen has are moot with this receiving corp

i think it says something that not even paulus in the depths of bubble screen hell had 2 games in a row with passing numbers that bad

The bubble screen probably helped Paulus' completion %. Paulus may not have had those depths, but the USF/WVU back to back was a fairly low point if I recall, which he recovered from.

Hunt doesn't seem to have many safe passing plays in his playcalls. Not that he shouldn't complete more. My bizarre theory is that McDonald is doing what he can to keep the defenders spread out for passes so our RBs can break longer runs.

 

[Millhouse]

The bubble screen probably helped Paulus' completion %. Paulus may not have had those depths, but the USF/WVU back to back was a fairly low point if I recall, which he recovered from.

Hunt doesn't seem to have many safe passing plays in his playcalls. Not that he shouldn't complete more. My bizarre theory is that McDonald is doing what he can to keep the defenders spread out for passes so our RBs can break longer runs.

worthless screens kill yards per attempts which has a pretty high weight in the ncaa vs nfl rating

i don't think that theory is bizarre though

 

[Cuseregular]

i'm not trying to start a big thing here. I'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses because I think he deserves some credit for the improvement in the run game. this is just what if, at this point you can't drop him in there

but Hunt is 18-44 for 126 yards 0 TDs and 5 INT in the ACC. His conference passer rating so far is 42

Drew Allen is 46-82 for 485 yards 1 TD and 7 INT against BCS competition for a passer rating of 93.

A qb rating of 93 stinks, don't get me wrong. There's a good argument for saying, "42 or 93, what's the difference, we're going to lose either way, let's play the guy who can run."

But a qb rating of 42 over two games, with two games in a row at 61 or lower rating... That is unbelievably terrible. The last time that's happened was 2008 vs Rutgers and UConn (29 QB rating in those 2 games). Didn't happen in 2007. Not sure about prior years.

A lot of this is on the WR. I'm having Fontenette flashbacks. But a 42?!?

Broyld wouldn't get to throw to Broyld so that would hurt him. You have to wonder a little whether he'd be better though. Bar is set pretty low.

you're not the only one. And I have a feeling I'm the only one here who actually did player evaluation from a recruiting perspective.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm wondering less about Broyld at QB, and more about how realistic it is that we see Wilson/Kimble/Long next season at QB. I would say Hunt doesn't exactly have a stranglehold on the position.

Some of us knew that in August.