i find this so annoying

[CorduroyG]

Marcus paige is a senior and still on unc, tyler ennis would only be a junior and hasnt been here in 2 years. Was ennis really that much better than paige?? Paige averaged 17ppg his soph year. They just seem like similar players and its really gonna piss me off watching paige play in the final 4 as a senior and we only got ennis for 1 freakin year.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Marcus paige is a senior and still on unc, tyler ennis would only be a junior and hasnt been here in 2 years. Was ennis really that much better than paige?? Paige averaged 17ppg his soph year. They just seem like similar players and its really gonna piss me off watching paige play in the final 4 as a senior and we only got ennis for 1 freakin year.

The above post is brought to you by the ACC's nine day mid season layoff policy.

 

[Dave85]

Marcus paige is a senior and still on unc, tyler ennis would only be a junior and hasnt been here in 2 years. Was ennis really that much better than paige?? Paige averaged 17ppg his soph year. They just seem like similar players and its really gonna piss me off watching paige play in the final 4 as a senior and we only got ennis for 1 freakin year.

I agree. But I blame the NCAA for spoiling CBB more than TE leaving. There should be a 2 year agreement with the NBA for the sake of keeping CBB interesting with high quality players.

 

[Dave85]

The above post is brought to you by the ACC's nine day mid season layoff policy.

You may not agree with the sentiment but you do not have to make light of it.

I see his point or do you think accepting a CBB scholarship has no responsibilities or loyalties to the school or fan base? I am kind of amazed that Marcus Paige stayed his senior year. There must be something in the water down there.

 

[Dave85]

Marcus paige is a senior and still on unc, tyler ennis would only be a junior and hasnt been here in 2 years. Was ennis really that much better than paige?? Paige averaged 17ppg his soph year. They just seem like similar players and its really gonna piss me off watching paige play in the final 4 as a senior and we only got ennis for 1 freakin year.

What will be more annoying is losing to Florida State after 9 days rest!

 

[CusefanATL]

Marcus paige is a senior and still on unc, tyler ennis would only be a junior and hasnt been here in 2 years. Was ennis really that much better than paige?? Paige averaged 17ppg his soph year. They just seem like similar players and its really gonna piss me off watching paige play in the final 4 as a senior and we only got ennis for 1 freakin year.

I believe these are the final mock drafts from NBA Draft:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft no paige
http://www.nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft Ennis at 20 - no paige
http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft no paige
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft no paige even in 2nd round (1st 3 drafts, they prob wouldnt consider Paige in 2nd, because he wouldn't have left early - but he is definitely in the pool for this draft)

So I think you got your answer - Ennis is/was a SIGNIFICANTLY better NBA prospect.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

You may not agree with the sentiment but you do not have to make light of it.

I see his point or do you think accepting a CBB scholarship has no responsibilities or loyalties to the school or fan base? I am kind of amazed that Marcus Paige stayed his senior year. There must be something in the water down there.

Sorry I offended you. Corduroy is a good poster but it's not like this topic has never come up before. I even gave it three smiley faces in case some people didn't realize I was making a joke.

 

[NYCorange]

" Do you think accepting a CBB scholarship has no responsibilities or loyalties to the school or fan base? .

Nope, I don't think there are any responsibilities or loyalties required. Or at least, they are completely trumped by responsibility and loyalty to self, family, and future kids.

And yes, Ennis is and was a much better NBA player. Ennis as a freshman was better than Paige ever was.

 

[CusefanATL]

You may not agree with the sentiment but you do not have to make light of it.

I see his point or do you think accepting a CBB scholarship has no responsibilities or loyalties to the school or fan base? I am kind of amazed that Marcus Paige stayed his senior year. There must be something in the water down there.

Dont think he was making light of it. He certainly didnt comment on disagreeing with the OP. Just making light of the ACC schedule. And these are the type of posts you get during a long break.

 

[CorduroyG]

Nope, I don't think there are any responsibilities or loyalties required. Or at least, they are completely trumped by responsibility and loyalty to self, family, and future kids.

And yes, Ennis is and was a much better NBA player. Ennis as a freshman was better than Paige ever was.

I dont know if i agree with the last point. Ennis frosh year was paige's soph year. That year paige averaged 17.5ppg 4.2 assists and shot 39% from 3. Thats pretty damn good.

 

[CusefanATL]

I dont know if i agree with the last point. Ennis frosh year was paige's soph year. That year paige averaged 17.5ppg 4.2 assists and shot 39% from 3. Thats pretty damn good.

Moten had great avg's. Didnt make him an NBA prospect.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Ennis was a PG playing the point.

Paige is a 2 that's the size of a point, but lacks pg skills.

 

[Orangeblue2]

Nope, I don't think there are any responsibilities or loyalties required. Or at least, they are completely trumped by responsibility and loyalty to self, family, and future kids.

And yes, Ennis is and was a much better NBA player. Ennis as a freshman was better than Paige ever was.

Ennis was very good in his one year. Hitting the 35 ft. game winner against Pitt made him appear even better than he really was.. But I digress, if you are gonna swim in the recruiting pool with guys who have their eyes on the NBA in HS, this is what is gonna happen, again ( McCullough) and probably again ( Battle). I would rather get the Lydon , G, and Roberson types who will improve every year and keep the program at an elite level

 

[reedny]

Ennis was very good in his one year. Hitting the 35 ft. game winner against Pitt made him appear even better than he really was.. But I digress, if you are gonna swim in the recruiting pool with guys who have their eyes on the NBA in HS, this is what is gonna happen, again ( McCullough) and probably again ( Battle). I would rather get the Lydon , G, and Roberson types who will improve every year and keep the program at an elite level

You need a mix to succeed in CBB these days and have any kind of continuity ... unless your team is a bunch of 1/dones taking 4 month correspondence courses.

 

[CorduroyG]

Ennis was very good in his one year. Hitting the 35 ft. game winner against Pitt made him appear even better than he really was.. But I digress, if you are gonna swim in the recruiting pool with guys who have their eyes on the NBA in HS, this is what is gonna happen, again ( McCullough) and probably again ( Battle). I would rather get the Lydon , G, and Roberson types who will improve every year and keep the program at an elite level

yup, his stock blew up after that shot, and also the team being 25-0. if we were 22-3 and he airballed the pitt shot he probably comes back for his soph year cuz the hype wouldnt have been there. similar to flynn after the 6 ot game.

 

[Dave85]

Nope, I don't think there are any responsibilities or loyalties required. Or at least, they are completely trumped by responsibility and loyalty to self, family, and future kids.

And yes, Ennis is and was a much better NBA player. Ennis as a freshman was better than Paige ever was.

I really don't blame TE as much as I do the NCAA. I would like to see the NCAA come to agreement with the NBA not to draft players until after their Sophomore year for purely the sake of making CBB have better quality players. I think both football and baseball players have to wait. It would be nice if the NCAA finally did something good for CBB for a change.

 

[orangecuse]

Ennis was very good in his one year. Hitting the 35 ft. game winner against Pitt made him appear even better than he really was.. But I digress, if you are gonna swim in the recruiting pool with guys who have their eyes on the NBA in HS, this is what is gonna happen, again ( McCullough) and probably again ( Battle). I would rather get the Lydon , G, and Roberson types who will improve every year and keep the program at an elite level

I'd think that the high level SU recruits at, the vast majority of preps all have NBA aspirations & dreams, how formidable they're in reality is a different matter. I believe G, Roberson & Lydon all envisioned themselves (especially as preps) that some day they'll be in the NBA, etc.

The reality is, is that you just don't know how a prep will do or not do once at the collegiate level. I recall when SU successfully recruited Jonny Flynn, a lot of folks here believed at the time that this was a ploy to get Paul Harris, etc. There certainly weren't thinking he was a two and done. Ennis' freshman year was exceptional, which led to an unexpected and unforeseen one and done, early departure that nobody really predicted or anticipated. I recall watching some of Ennis' games when he was a senior at Saint Benedict's and thought to myself, a solid player, but nothing exceptional. Actually, I recall being much more impressed with his sophomore teammate at the time, Isiah Briscoe, whom we were also recruiting.

The overall point I'm trying to make is that SU will continue to recruit at a level where if they can get the one or two and done, they most certainly will and let the chips fall where they may. You just never know how things will pan out...look at Polythress at UK, a Mickey D AA who many thought would be a one and done...he's still at Kentucky.

 

[Dave85]

yup, his stock blew up after that shot, and also the team being 25-0. if we were 22-3 and he airballed the pitt shot he probably comes back for his soph year cuz the hype wouldnt have been there. similar to flynn after the 6 ot game.

I think after we beat Duke everything changed once TE was ranked in the NBA draft. It ruins kids after that.

 

[Knicks411]

I really don't blame TE as much as I do the NCAA. I would like to see the NCAA come to agreement with the NBA not to draft players until after their Sophomore year for purely the sake of making CBB have better quality players. I think both football and baseball players have to wait. It would be nice if the NCAA finally did something good for CBB for a change.

I feel like we've had this conversation before, but you realize there's nothing the NCAA can do about this, right?

 

[HOFCeluck]

So we think that NBA scouts started thinking that Tyler Ennis was a legit prospect after he hit a last second 35 foot shot. That is a legitamate, non-ironic take here.

FFS.

 

[jordoo]

You go when your stock is high. You are simply going to be competing against everyone else that came back plus the new crop of freshman and their potential. Flaws in ones game seem fixable after one season in college after 2 its questionable and after 3 doubtful. That's just the way it goes in the draft. If you are going to be a 1st round pick and you decide to come back you had better improve overall and especially in the weakest area's of your game or you are simply moving down the draft board.

Paige's stock is probably lower now as a senior who's flaws have been completely exposed and is also struggling with his shot than it was after his freshman season. Not that he was projected that highly after his freshman season. He probably could have maximized his draft place after his sophmore season had he shown well in camps and workouts. Ennis was a natural PG who's biggest skills were patience, running offense, protecting the ball and understanding the game. After his freshman season he would have had to been great as a soph to move higher than 20th or where ever he went.

 

[Dave85]

I feel like we've had this conversation before, but you realize there's nothing the NCAA can do about this, right?

Ask the commissioner politely? How is agreed with football and baseball?

 

[Consigliere]

I really don't blame TE as much as I do the NCAA. I would like to see the NCAA come to agreement with the NBA not to draft players until after their Sophomore year for purely the sake of making CBB have better quality players. I think both football and baseball players have to wait. It would be nice if the NCAA finally did something good for CBB for a change.

Don't think the NCAA has much standing here. It's not like they can say to the NBA "Change the system or we won't let you draft our players." It's an NBA decision as to what qualifies a prospect to enter the draft. What stuns me is that the NBA Players Association isn't more vocal here as the current system results in young, cheaper (relatively) prospects who are not ready to play at an NBA level taking roster spots from veterans at the tail end of their careers.

 

[Consigliere]

Ask the commissioner politely? How is agreed with football and baseball?

It's the NFL and MLB that set the rules. And those rules are likely one strong challenge from being overturned in court.

 

[Knicks411]

Ask the commissioner politely? How is agreed with football and baseball?

It's the NBA who negotiates the rules with the players union. Adam Silver has said they want to raise the age limit another year, and I'd bet it gets done in the next few years.