i find this so annoying

[Orangeblue2]

Marcus paige is a senior and still on unc, tyler ennis would only be a junior and hasnt been here in 2 years. Was ennis really that much better than paige?? Paige averaged 17ppg his soph year. They just seem like similar players and its really gonna piss me off watching paige play in the final 4 as a senior and we only got ennis for 1 freakin year.

Marcus Paige is still at UNC mostly because he weighs a wispy 165 lbs and has been injury prone since his first year. He definitely hunts his shot more than you want a PG to, so his set of skills and body type just don't match up with the pro game. Ennis is 6'3', listed at 195. Much more of a protype NBA PG body. I think it's that simple.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

yup, his stock blew up after that shot, and also the team being 25-0. if we were 22-3 and he airballed the pitt shot he probably comes back for his soph year cuz the hype wouldnt have been there. similar to flynn after the 6 ot game.

If you think the NBA stats on hype, you would be wrong. John Wallace's stock never significantly changed from his Jr. year projections to his Sr. year

 

[SBU72]

It's the NFL and MLB that set the rules. And those rules are likely one strong challenge from being overturned in court.

MLB drafts high school kids without their permission (more or less). If a kid doesn't like his situation (team, low draft round etc), he doesn't sign and most likely goes to college. I'm not sure if he is eligible to be drafted again (MLB rules) the next year or it might be two years. I have seen situations where kids have been drafted multiple times before signing. The key here is that the kid is still NCAA eligible if he gets drafted. I have mentioned before that the NCAA should allow the same for b-ball players. Get drafted but decide not to sign, go/stay in college. NBA could easily go to more than 2 rounds every year with later rounds more of an indication of how good they feel a prospect is. If they start a better development league, this would be would be a way for them to fill their rosters. Also, I think that for MLB, foreign players are treated much differently.

 

[Cowtown]

You may not agree with the sentiment but you do not have to make light of it.

I see his point or do you think accepting a CBB scholarship has no responsibilities or loyalties to the school or fan base? I am kind of amazed that Marcus Paige stayed his senior year. There must be something in the water down there.

Maybe the kid senses value in getting a degree, which will help him in his 30's much more than bad knees, a coke habit and a posse? Okay, that's a lot of sarcasm, but the point is still there.

 

[sufandu]

I agree. But I blame the NCAA for spoiling CBB more than TE leaving. There should be a 2 year agreement with the NBA for the sake of keeping CBB interesting with high quality players.

How do you blame the NCAA for anyone leaving? They have zero control here. The agreement has to be between the league and the player's association, not the league and the NCAA. Blaming the NCAA for guys leaving is like blaming a college for not preventing a guy from taking a job offered by google before he gets a degree.

 

[warrickisgod]

Ennis got $5m guaranteed for 3 years with an option for $5m+ over the next two. Even if I never see him play a meaningful minute in the NBA I don't blame him at all.

 

[Dave85]

Maybe the kid senses value in getting a degree, which will help him in his 30's much more than bad knees, a coke habit and a posse? Okay, that's a lot of sarcasm, but the point is still there.

I think its the water they use to make the koolaid.

 

[Dave85]

Marcus paige is a senior and still on unc, tyler ennis would only be a junior and hasnt been here in 2 years. Was ennis really that much better than paige?? Paige averaged 17ppg his soph year. They just seem like similar players and its really gonna piss me off watching paige play in the final 4 as a senior and we only got ennis for 1 freakin year.

We have two sides of this debate here among the fandom. I will never like TE's decision not to play another year. He could have been a top 5 pick easy and made a whole lot more money and maybe actually play. But it's okay. We are all Orange even when we all don't agree on who should stay and who should leave.

I think we can all agree it will be really nice to see G get drafted in the second round!

 

[Dave85]

MLB drafts high school kids without their permission (more or less). If a kid doesn't like his situation (team, low draft round etc), he doesn't sign and most likely goes to college. I'm not sure if he is eligible to be drafted again (MLB rules) the next year or it might be two years. I have seen situations where kids have been drafted multiple times before signing. The key here is that the kid is still NCAA eligible if he gets drafted. I have mentioned before that the NCAA should allow the same for b-ball players. Get drafted but decide not to sign, go/stay in college. NBA could easily go to more than 2 rounds every year with later rounds more of an indication of how good they feel a prospect is. If they start a better development league, this would be would be a way for them to fill their rosters. Also, I think that for MLB, foreign players are treated much differently.

Thank you! As I suspected. If the NCAA has the capacity to be a bunch of a holes they will oblige.

 

[Knicks411]

We have two sides of this debate here among the fandom. I will never like TE's decision not to play another year. He could have been a top 5 pick easy and made a whole lot more money and maybe actually play. But it's okay. We are all Orange even when we all don't agree on who should stay and who should leave.

I think we can all agree it will be really nice to see G get drafted in the second round!

I don't see any universe where Tyler Ennis is a top 5 pick.

 

[Dave85]

I don't see any universe where Tyler Ennis is a top 5 pick.

So you think he peaked his freshmen year and had no room for improvement? How do you come to this conclusion?

 

[Ward]

We have two sides of this debate here among the fandom. I will never like TE's decision not to play another year. He could have been a top 5 pick easy and made a whole lot more money and maybe actually play. But it's okay. We are all Orange even when we all don't agree on who should stay and who should leave.

I think we can all agree it will be really nice to see G get drafted in the second round!

Ennis was never going to be a top 5 pick. Top 5 picks are expected to be all stars and franchise cornerstone type guys and it is incredibly difficult to be that when you're 6'3 and aren't a freak of nature athletically. Ennis's main weakness was he didn't have elite athleticism and that wasn't going to change by staying another year or 3 in college. Maybe if he stays he gets drafted a few spots higher but when he made his decision he was a pretty safe bet to be a first rounder. What if he comes back and has a less than stellar year or serious injury? His stock plummets and he missed out on the chance to optimize his first contract/pay day. I know I would never take that risk.

I'm with you on Gbinije. The last couple years he has been one of my favorite players to watch in Orange and even if he isn't able to stick in the league he should have a great career overseas and make some great money for himself.

 

[Knicks411]

So you think he peaked his freshmen year and had no room for improvement? How do you come to this conclusion?

A player with Tyler's skill set pretty much never goes in the top 5. A point guard who isn't extremely athletic/quick? I think his draft stock was pretty much maxed out after his freshmen year.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Which guy in last year's top five does Ennis supplant?

 

[73CAV]

Or, if the NBA would go back to drafting high school players, then much of the 'one and done' mess would disappear. And, if that happened, coaches might be a bit more cautious pursuing Top 10 talent. On the other hand, it appears that the NCAA is addressing this matter. Supposedly, the rule forcing kids to declare so early for the draft is being modified. Furthermore, I understand that prospects can test the 'draft waters' a bit more thoroughly, and if they learn that they probably won't go in the draft, then they can return to their college teams. I imagine this is going to create no small amount of angst for college coaches, but I imagine it is a step in the right direction. At least the kids can get an opinion from someone reasonably unbiased, and not a close friend, relative, or AAU functionary with vested interests. When you look at those players in Europe, who should still be on college teams, you have to wonder what sort of advice they were getting, and from whom they were getting it. Of course, there will always be those who have no desire to go to class and will look for any other credible option.

 

[GoCuse14]

Sorry I offended you. Corduroy is a good poster but it's not like this topic has never come up before. I even gave it three smiley faces in case some people didn't realize I was making a joke.

better go with 4

 

[CusefanATL]

Ennis was very good in his one year. Hitting the 35 ft. game winner against Pitt made him appear even better than he really was.. But I digress, if you are gonna swim in the recruiting pool with guys who have their eyes on the NBA in HS, this is what is gonna happen, again ( McCullough) and probably again ( Battle). I would rather get the Lydon , G, and Roberson types who will improve every year and keep the program at an elite level

Ennis was considered 1st round material before the Pitt game. If anything, he started to fall at the end of theyear.

He was excellent his 1st 25 games. Not excellent after. All of a sudden became a volume shooter (look at the stats) and lost his clutchness that made him so good.

 

[Dave85]

A player with Tyler's skill set pretty much never goes in the top 5. A point guard who isn't extremely athletic/quick? I think his draft stock was pretty much maxed out after his freshmen year.

I guess I was thinking of Waiters. What draft position did Waiters go? I see you point about Tyler not being fast. TE on fast break was like watching the video in reverse.

 

[Dave85]

Which guy in last year's top five does Ennis supplant?

Good point. The top 5 were pretty big dudes unlike TE.

 

[two3zone]

Which guy in last year's top five does Ennis supplant?

Okafor.

 

[orangecuse]

Ennis was never going to be a top 5 pick. Top 5 picks are expected to be all stars and franchise cornerstone type guys and it is incredibly difficult to be that when you're 6'3 and aren't a freak of nature athletically. Ennis's main weakness was he didn't have elite athleticism and that wasn't going to change by staying another year or 3 in college. Maybe if he stays he gets drafted a few spots higher but when he made his decision he was a pretty safe bet to be a first rounder. What if he comes back and has a less than stellar year or serious injury? His stock plummets and he missed out on the chance to optimize his first contract/pay day. I know I would never take that risk.

I'm with you on Gbinije. The last couple years he has been one of my favorite players to watch in Orange and even if he isn't able to stick in the league he should have a great career overseas and make some great money for himself.

I doubt very much that when the Cavs drafted Waiters with the 4th pick of the draft that they envisioned him being a franchise cornerstone type of guy.

 

[Dave85]

I'm with you on Gbinije. The last couple years he has been one of my favorite players to watch in Orange and even if he isn't able to stick in the league he should have a great career overseas and make some great money for himself.

G is the most important piece on the team this year. I sure hope they get into the NCAA tournament and G has a couple of really big games and get noticed by the NBA scouts.

 

[orangecuse]

Ennis got $5m guaranteed for 3 years with an option for $5m+ over the next two. Even if I never see him play a meaningful minute in the NBA I don't blame him at all.

I don't blame him a bit either, I just remain a bit miffed at what the NBA folks saw that warranted/translated him in being such a prospect. I recall vividly when we played UVA at Paul Jones when Tyler was a freshman, where he went up against another fellow freshman in Perrentes. Perrentes certainly got the better of him that day, and, at least imo, looked like a better prospect. Much to my dismay, Perrentes is still at UVA and continues to be a thorn in our side and we don't have a true lead guard.

 

[br801]

We have two sides of this debate here among the fandom. I will never like TE's decision not to play another year. He could have been a top 5 pick easy and made a whole lot more money and maybe actually play. But it's okay. We are all Orange even when we all don't agree on who should stay and who should leave.

I think we can all agree it will be really nice to see G get drafted in the second round!

Or he might have more fully exposed his weaknesses and limitations with another season of college basketball and dropped out of the first round. That, in my opinion, would have been more likely than a move into a top 10 draft position.

 

[Ward]

I doubt very much that when the Cavs drafted Waiters with the 4th pick of the draft that they envisioned him being a franchise cornerstone type of guy.

When the Cavs drafted Dion all the talk and excitement on Cleveland's side was that they had their young explosive backcourt of the future that would cause opposing teams a lot of problems for years to come.