I think the following will come with Gerry

[FrancoPizza]

Good post, you covered the important things. Gerry might not have been the top choice, but one thing we know he will not tolerate is player's continually doing the same bad thing over and over.

How do we know this? Did you see him bench players for making mistakes? Did he rip into them when they didn't listen to him? Just curious because I didn't see any of this from the one game I saw.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

Here is what is going to happen.

Noone knows what the effff is going to happen. Good god let this just play out. All this speculation is ridiculous.

Noone here has a say in anything that will happen with this team.

I agree, but speculation is the basis for the message board.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Let's not forget that we have a few academic programs that are top notch and fairly specific to SU. Falk, Newhouse, Maxwell. Some still care about academics. They are not all going to the NBA. Falk in particular gives them a lane to be connected to the business even if they play professionally overseas or G league for a few years. And they don't have to finish the degree, but come back afterwards. So that, while not huge, can be a selling point.

To paraphrase one of my favorite commercials from the NCAA where they say 98% of student athletes go pro in a field other than athletics.

So even if they do play overseas for a little bit, they still probably have 40 years of their working life to worry about.

 

[35kcuse]

This isn't aimed at you just something I see a lot of people saying. I don't think this could be further from the truth - having an ace recruiter might be more important than ever.

Having kids that will come for a 'discount' because of relationships so that you can utilize resources across many players is very important. Getting kids to come when the money is similar because of the relationships is very important. Having a recruiter that understands the dynamic of not just hoops, but being a brand and what the schools brand and NIL has in store to raise the players brand is very important. Some kids will be for the highest bidder, sure - but I can assure you a lot of kids and families will appreciate and respect relationships driven coaches that aren't treating them as a financial number to live up to.

A few points I would like to make in addition:

1. A recruit (and their family and agent) is making just as much a business one, as a basketball one now. They're evaluating deal structures, NIL collectives, market value, and earning potential alongside all the hoops stuff. A great recruiter NOW - has to do everything they used to do and be a fluent in business and helping them make that business decision.

2. Families are often coming in with advisors, handlers, and agents, a lot more hands in the cookie jar than there even used to be (and hands out). An ace recruiter being able to navigate that is HUGE. Earning power here, and beyond and not just development is an important piece of the puzzle.

3. In the pre-NIL era, a solid recruiter at a well-branded school could ride the logo pretty far (Still exists of course) but NIL leveled parts of the playing field. So in my opinion, the relationships of recruiting matters more, not less. The program's brand is still important, but the recruiter's ability to close in a noisy, money-driven market is now an enormous differentiator.

We have maybe THE Mid-Major transfer coming here as a shoe-in telling you exactly this. He's not up for grabs to the highest bidder (of course some kids that will still be the case), but he's playing for his guy. Just get him close and fair money wise (I'd presume) but he's rocking with Gerry.

I hear you I really do. I think that we are actually agreeing somewhat here.

But here is my point and it directly applies to the way Syracuse has done things as of late. The days of oh we are gonna hire this dude with tons of aau connections and blah blah blah are over. We have a perfect example in Brenden Straughn. Well connected, great guy, all of the things you described. He brings in his DMV guys who are highly rated. Great! Right? No.

Look at the top teams right now. Let’s say Michigan. They have tapped into Chicago, Niagara Falls, Dominican Rep, Spain, etc, etc, etc. Similar thing with Arizona. It’s a much more global game now. These teams are smart. They have smart analytical personnel who identify people with the skills the team needs. From there, they pitch the vision and close the deal with a strong cash offer.

The days of Cuse just hitting the DMV, philly, upstate ny pipelines need to end. They need to think broader and stop relying on old connective things when the top teams are thinking and spending bigger and more globally.

To summarize, we get all excited when we bring in an AC with DMV/Philly whatever connections and they bring in those dudes. We lose because while we think small and teams like Michigan & Arizona are spending big $ and are bringing in people from all over the world who fit their analytical data points.

 

[qdawgg]

GMAC is a good talent evaluator and prioritizes the intangibles - work ethic, coachability and drive to win.

I’m likely going to get some heat for this but this is just word salad. Everyone says that about every coach in every sport. There’s not something unique about Gmac looking for players that have those traits. Every coach wants that. Fran wants that and look at the season last year. Gmac has been a HC for a short period of time, what makes him a good talent evaluator at this point. Maybe he is but who knows yet. Identifying D1 talent while balancing our NIL will tell us whether he’s a good talent evaluator. Nobody knows that yet.

None of this a knock on Gmac at all. Less like Fran but still some similarities. We don’t know what things will look like or how successful he’ll be for awhile.

 

[powdersmack]

Here is what is going to happen.

Noone knows what the effff is going to happen. Good god let this just play out. All this speculation is ridiculous.

Noone here has a say in anything that will happen with this team.

Then what the hell else are we supposed to talk about?!?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I’m likely going to get some heat for this but this is just word salad. Everyone says that about every coach in every sport. There’s not something unique about Gmac looking for players that have those traits. Every coach wants that. Fran wants that and look at the season last year. Gmac has been a HC for a short period of time, what makes him a good talent evaluator at this point. Maybe he is but who knows yet. Identifying D1 talent while balancing our NIL will tell us whether he’s a good talent evaluator. Nobody knows that yet.

None of this a knock on Gmac at all. Less like Fran but still some similarities. We don’t know what things will look like or how successful he’ll be for awhile.

Well, he was an assistant coach for a program that had nine NCAA appearances in 15 seasons, including two Final Fours, plus another tournament appearance at Siena. And so did Red, except for Siena, but I think most people will recognize that there is a huge difference between Gerry and Red from the last two seasons.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying Gerry has a clear cut vision of what he wants and what he needs to win.

 

[LpoolNative]

I can’t believe some of you are complaining about us potentially having 12 mill + in NIL LOL

ESPN sources & Thamel confirmed we will be top third in the ACC.

 

[Biaxtar]

I can’t believe some of you are complaining about us potentially having 12 mill + in NIL LOL

ESPN sources & Thamel confirmed we will be top third in the ACC.

12 mil is 100% top third in acc. Probably 6th place, but that should be plenty. 8 teams made the tournament

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

East of Buffalo, Capt.

 

[GHLF]

I think Kentucky was the only school over $20 million. I doubt many were over $15 million. Numbers get thrown out a lot and usually they are over the top.

Synonymous with massive information on this board, and certainly other places as well for sure

 

[ScriptCuse]

I hear you I really do. I think that we are actually agreeing somewhat here.

But here is my point and it directly applies to the way Syracuse has done things as of late. The days of oh we are gonna hire this dude with tons of aau connections and blah blah blah are over. We have a perfect example in Brenden Straughn. Well connected, great guy, all of the things you described. He brings in his DMV guys who are highly rated. Great! Right? No.

Look at the top teams right now. Let’s say Michigan. They have tapped into Chicago, Niagara Falls, Dominican Rep, Spain, etc, etc, etc. Similar thing with Arizona. It’s a much more global game now. These teams are smart. They have smart analytical personnel who identify people with the skills the team needs. From there, they pitch the vision and close the deal with a strong cash offer.

The days of Cuse just hitting the DMV, philly, upstate ny pipelines need to end. They need to think broader and stop relying on old connective things when the top teams are thinking and spending bigger and more globally.

To summarize, we get all excited when we bring in an AC with DMV/Philly whatever connections and they bring in those dudes. We lose because while we think small and teams like Michigan & Arizona are spending big $ and are bringing in people from all over the world who fit their analytical data points.

I hear you my friend. Somewhere in the middle - which is what I'm assuming you're implying and I agree for sure!

 

[Blanko97]

56 actually.

Booooo let bad jokes land

 

[SUFan44]

We can and should do better with that moneyb

I disagree. I don't think you have a clear understanding of the market.

 

[Blanko97]

I disagree. I don't think you have a clear understanding of the market.

If he goes elsewhere and does good, so be it. But he is not a 250k power 5 player. Let that money be a bonus to someone far better

 

[sufan59]

I disagree. I don't think you have a clear understanding of the market.

I’ll leave it at this, Gerry and his staff at Siena has done a phenomenal job developing both Doty and Folefac so far and it’s very intriguing if there is even more development that can be added to both of there games. Right now they would be solid bench pieces on a tournament team, Doty playing a bit more than Folefac with room to have even greater roles because they are on a pretty great trajectory with what Gerry is doing with these guys. When Gerry is building this roster he is going to have to balance proven production and players who have high ceilings that he can develop. That is from determining day 1 roles on the roster, as well as the salary breakdowns of each guy. At this moment, Doty and Folefac are more proven, but Sadiq and Kiyan probably have higher ceilings.

 

[twinight]

How do we know this? Did you see him bench players for making mistakes? Did he rip into them when they didn't listen to him? Just curious because I didn't see any of this from the one game I saw.

lol

You watched one game where he barely had five players to work with. Did you figure you'd see a lot of benching of players and "ripping into" them at that point in the season?

 

[SUFan44]

I’ll leave it at this, Gerry and his staff at Siena has done a phenomenal job developing both Doty and Folefac so far and it’s very intriguing if there is even more development that can be added to both of there games. Right now they would be solid bench pieces on a tournament team, Doty playing a bit more than Folefac with room to have even greater roles because they are on a pretty great trajectory with what Gerry is doing with these guys. When Gerry is building this roster he is going to have to balance proven production and players who have high ceilings that he can develop. That is from determining day 1 roles on the roster, as well as the salary breakdowns of each guy. At this moment, Doty and Folefac are more proven, but Sadiq and Kiyan probably have higher ceilings.

I agree with this.

That being said, let's say an NCAA Tournament team at the P4 level has a $9M budget (we know that we will probably have more than that).

$250K is less than 3% of your budget. You have between 13-15 roster spots.

If I'm putting together a roster and I can find a depth piece for 3% of my budget that can possibly fill a role - and for that matter, if I can find a kid like Doty that will take $400-500K to play a role at 6%, that leaves a lot of room to work with for the rest of your roster.

 

[ezbeezy214]

I'm not so sure that any of the giving day money goes to NiL

Where does it go?

 

[LpoolNative]

Where does it go?

My pocket.

So long suckers.

 

[ezbeezy214]

My pocket.

So long suckers.

Putting it to good use tbf

 

[JarHeadJim]

I think Kentucky was the only school over $20 million. I doubt many were over $15 million. Numbers get thrown out a lot and usually they are over the to

I think Kentucky was the only school over $20 million. I doubt many were over $15 million. Numbers get thrown out a lot and usually they are over the top.

Kentucky had 14 losses this season. So they paid almost one million per loss.

 

[Orangefan1]

You can count on one hand who had 12 last year.

And you can count on one finger who wins the title also

 

[walsh2012]

I get that but portal kids still want to know what the offensive identity will be.

This is not a knock on your comment specifically - i just love the absurdity of guys in their middle age saying with full confidence what kids less than half their age really want

 

[Orangman 44]

I am thinking today we will find out who some of our asst coaches are and possibly the new GM ?