I think the following will come with Gerry

[phil77]

Including rev share or not? I feel everyone is talking past each other here - half are quoting numbers including rev share, and half are not

All-in Including Rev Share and NIL Tournament everything

 

[Cusefan0307]

Not sure how relevant guessing would be at this point. The specific figures quoted by Gmac were $9-10 million "to be in the game." The article I referenced said that included rev share. I think Lobdell's group (25-30 CEOs and business leaders) will hit the $5M mark, if not more. Lobdell's group does not include Melo currently. So the potential is there for a higher number. Blair is innovative in this ecosystem. Finding creative ways of funding NIL is his wheelhouse. AW??

I believe that we need to be north of $10M with rev share included. I don't think that anyone can say with absolute certainty at THIS point in time that we will be.

It’ll be over that with Lobdell, Rev Share and Vegas combined. The Melo stuff will be the cherry on top.

 

[Mr. M]

It’ll be over that with Lobdell, Rev Share and Vegas combined. The Melo stuff will be the cherry on top.

Does “Melo stuff” entail required PT for Kiyan?

 

[BEGood]

Does “Melo stuff” bring required PT for Kiyan?

No

 

[twinight]

"Raffle?"
No, but didn't Siena all of a sudden have the most NIL in the conference? Isn't that how you go from 4-28 to a conference bid?

Sorry—who are you 'making fun of?'

I was making fun of the guy who suggested the assessment of Gerry's coaching ability at Siena was based on "one game." And not a dramatic turnaround over two seasons.

I could also make fun of you for thinking that turnaround was because Siena "all of a sudden had the most NIL in the conference" which is some weird fiction you've made up.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I was making fun of the guy who suggested the assessment of Gerry's coaching ability at Siena was based on "one game." And not a dramatic turnaround over two seasons.

I could also make fun of you for thinking that turnaround was because Siena "all of a sudden had the most NIL in the conference" which is some weird fiction you've made up.

Well, one—since you're all sensitive about this—i was asking about the NIL thing. I don't personally know. And as for me making it up, no, if you've been around, you'd have seen that discussed many times. If it's "made up," it's not me who made it up. So, again, i'm asking—is that not true?

Secondly... no, never mind. You've got your own 'fictions' swirling in your head. But, since i'm still in questions mode, i wonder how you've come upon your "assessment of Gerry's coaching ability?"

I have no idea whether he is or isn't a good coach. I recognize turnarounds, but i also recognize they come with context. I think it's just as absurd that people assert that he's a great coach because of that one (half of a) game. Lots of flowery adjectives and bromides and catchphrases get tossed around, but they don't seem to have applied when they lost to Fairfield by 14 a couple of weeks earlier. Lots of selective stats and hyperbole. But, that's fine. He's ours. Amusing, also, how he's such a genius and outcoached Duke's douche, and then we hear that it was his 29-year old assistant who brained-up a significant component of the Duke game? Is that also "made up?" Again, just asking.

Since you must have watched a bunch of Siena games this and last year, i would love to know your opinion about Gerry's actual systems. Is he a good offensive and/or defensive coach? Because i haven't seen that affirmed. Only that he gets his players to "play hard." Amusing, sometimes, how the coaches are 'evaluated' and discussed in a forum like this. And how each 'side' thinks it knows their metrics and reasonings are the only valid ones.

 

[SUFan44]

My understanding was that had resolved itself. What his conditioning was and when the decision was made to safe eligibility could be debated (timing). He’s already in the portal as is Jones.

How 13 became 7 is somewhat problematic, my prior post was bang on accurate.

Your prior post is bang on ridiculous.

Allow me to present a scenario: Kids get injured. Misses first 1/2 or 2/3 of the season, and becomes healthy enough to come back. Kid goes to the coach and asks him to preserve the season so he can play another full year.

What do you do? In this era where every year in college can represent money in your pocket in the long run?

 

[FrancoPizza]

I should have clarified better but was multitasking when I posted. We will know how good nil is by quality of player in the portal.

And it sounds like we really don’t know what the exact amount committed will be when he tries to negotiate with players. Lobdell only has about 25% of his $5M committed.

 

[kcsu]

"Raffle?"
No, but didn't Siena all of a sudden have the most NIL in the conference? Isn't that how you go from 4-28 to a conference bid?

Sorry—who are you 'making fun of?'

Gmac was outstanding last season. Navidad injuries...
Great coaching job.

 

[Orangezoo]

And it sounds like we really don’t know what the exact amount committed will be when he tries to negotiate with players. Lobdell only has about 25% of his $5M committed.

Remember these are agreements put into place and thus pledging money is often finalized when you have a player and a deal that gets locked in. These are not “IOUs” the way you are thinking about this. Otherwise any number could get tossed around. An NIL deal is worked out with a player it’s not NIL to Syracuse guy 1 through 12…

 

[Sherman20]

If he’s not better than Red by a large margin I’d be shocked. So many little things in what you saw at Siena, how he communicates amongst other things that point to how he should be better. Not to mention he has the advantage of seeing how things went wrong from afar and I’m sure will continue to learn where all those missteps were and use that to his advantage as well. Coming into a familiar place where you can fix what a close former colleague failed at is actually a benefit to Gerry in that sense as much as failure could be devastating.

This will truly be feast or famine which is what I know worries many of us.

What made you change your tune on Gmac? I thought you were someone who wanted a proven head coach from outside the family with a fresh perspective.

 

[kcsu]

Not sure about the x and o side with G but I do expect the kids to play harder and tougher. We have been charmin soft and that has to change. I also know that G is much better and substitutions than Red who was G awful.

 

[tptcuse]

What made you change your tune on Gmac? I thought you were someone who wanted a proven head coach from outside the family with a fresh perspective.

Not to speak for him but I believe Zoo played against GMac in HS and knows his family and respects what he has done.

I know you didn't ask me, but my perspective is that GMac with a ton of NIL is a pretty good combination, and I was someone who definitely wanted Schertz (and Hodgson.) I'll continue to push back against the idea of us being Siena West, but I'm looking forward to seeing what GMac can do and the press and money support is looking great so far. I imagine a few others on the board feel similarly optimistic now that the decision has been made.

 

[Orangezoo]

What made you change your tune on Gmac? I thought you were someone who wanted a proven head coach from outside the family with a fresh perspective.

So first off - I did and still do prefer seeing an outside hire( but that’s fading). That said- a large part of that is someone who has the funding and support to succeed and can be here long enough as well.

As things have unfolded it’s been abundantly clear that any outside hire would be coming in with a sizably smaller chunk of NIL support and have to work against the grain to earn all that support and it also seems pretty clear that just a couple winning seasons doing so with less money is a certified needle mover.

Aside from that, if we look at who our options are, the difference in coaching chops and resume between the top 5 realistic options were not that far apart and most likely more expensive before you get into assistant coaches. Once you factor the realities of how much more support Gerry can gather across the board, the small advantages of a guy like Schertz because of his experience ( a lot in D2 but highly successful) are gone and it moves the other way.

So before we even get into this being a family hire- the other factors that are critical to success are what push me to this being the better decision given the circumstances. If we could get 12-15 million for those other options - I’m all in for them over Gerry but the reality is that’s just not practical and we’ve seen how that played out. Also after seeing how things went down - BH was never the right guy and I feel dumb myself for spending so long thinking he was.

Now specific to Gerry- he is his own brand and brings with him what he wants to do. He may have learned a lot from hop and JB but he’s not those guys. I’ve said before he’s different and I’ve said before I would love him as a coach here but prefer it be after establishing himself at another P4 first. After seeing their tourney run then the coaching aspects of how he handled the Duke game while all the speculation was ongoing … then you add the incredible out of the woodwork financial support and positive media and sports analyst feedback and I am thinking this is the right decision. I don’t like that JB and the family may have influenced it to the effect that if Gerry wasn’t a good option he still would have gotten it but I think he is the right choice.

So yeah this is probably TLDR but after everything leading up to and now after I’m good with this. I also will say I do know he’s different and in a way it’s hard to explain but I think some are coming around to.

Now this is all subject to change in that the staff and the roster come next- both have to be a win but if the smoke is right and he brings his current staff plus snags Daly from VCU who is a very good offensive mind and fills out the entire staff slots - it’s just then the roster and things continue to trend well.

Also as tpt mentioned and didn’t want to repeat - yes I’m from 20 mins north of Scranton, played against Gerry, know some of the family and even though we got beat every year we also traveled to watch the state playoffs so I have a specific perspective - which had me worried about the implications of him failing too.. I just don’t think he will. I’m not going to out who I know or all the connections just saying I’m not gonna back down from saying I have a credible reason for shifting my thoughts.

 

[twinight]

Well, one—since you're all sensitive about this—i was asking about the NIL thing. I don't personally know. And as for me making it up, no, if you've been around, you'd have seen that discussed many times. If it's "made up," it's not me who made it up. So, again, i'm asking—is that not true?

Secondly... no, never mind. You've got your own 'fictions' swirling in your head. But, since i'm still in questions mode, i wonder how you've come upon your "assessment of Gerry's coaching ability?"

I have no idea whether he is or isn't a good coach. I recognize turnarounds, but i also recognize they come with context. I think it's just as absurd that people assert that he's a great coach because of that one (half of a) game. Lots of flowery adjectives and bromides and catchphrases get tossed around, but they don't seem to have applied when they lost to Fairfield by 14 a couple of weeks earlier. Lots of selective stats and hyperbole. But, that's fine. He's ours. Amusing, also, how he's such a genius and outcoached Duke's douche, and then we hear that it was his 29-year old assistant who brained-up a significant component of the Duke game? Is that also "made up?" Again, just asking.

Since you must have watched a bunch of Siena games this and last year, i would love to know your opinion about Gerry's actual systems. Is he a good offensive and/or defensive coach? Because i haven't seen that affirmed. Only that he gets his players to "play hard." Amusing, sometimes, how the coaches are 'evaluated' and discussed in a forum like this. And how each 'side' thinks it knows their metrics and reasonings are the only valid ones.

I'm going to empower you. Do you attempt to argue this way with your friends? It's very ineffective and transparent, I'm sad to tell you. I understand you don't bring a lot of self-confidence to a discussion, so anyone who points out you're wrong about something is "sensitive" about things. That just comes off as the most desperate kind of projection.

I'm sorry your dull theory that their turnaround was because their NIL situation drastically changed was something you imagined. But you're just "asking questions," right?

Here's you: "No, but didn't Siena all of a sudden have the most NIL in the conference? Isn't that how you go from 4-28 to a conference bid?"

Your "question" was a presupposition based on another presupposition. Neither of which were accurate. And now you're upset for getting called out?

If someone said: "Sure his wife loves him. But doesn't he beat her? Isn't that how you gain your wife's love?" You wouldn't assume he was just a curious question-asking gent. Especially given he made up both those claims. You'd think he was a dunce who couldn't make a compelling argument based on reality.

I don't know if Gerry will be a good coach. The ONLY thing I said is that people who think he MIGHT be aren't basing it one game. They're basing it on the fact he took over a team at the bottom of the league and brought them to the top. To say, essentially (as the person I was replying to did) "We don't know if he can coach. We don't know if he can evaluate talent. All we have is one game to go on." is nonsense. I'm not certain why you're fumbling over yourself attempting to defend that position.

 

[baggerbob]

Well, one—since you're all sensitive about this—i was asking about the NIL thing. I don't personally know. And as for me making it up, no, if you've been around, you'd have seen that discussed many times. If it's "made up," it's not me who made it up. So, again, i'm asking—is that not true?

Secondly... no, never mind. You've got your own 'fictions' swirling in your head. But, since i'm still in questions mode, i wonder how you've come upon your "assessment of Gerry's coaching ability?"

I have no idea whether he is or isn't a good coach. I recognize turnarounds, but i also recognize they come with context. I think it's just as absurd that people assert that he's a great coach because of that one (half of a) game. Lots of flowery adjectives and bromides and catchphrases get tossed around, but they don't seem to have applied when they lost to Fairfield by 14 a couple of weeks earlier. Lots of selective stats and hyperbole. But, that's fine. He's ours. Amusing, also, how he's such a genius and outcoached Duke's douche, and then we hear that it was his 29-year old assistant who brained-up a significant component of the Duke game? Is that also "made up?" Again, just asking.

Since you must have watched a bunch of Siena games this and last year, i would love to know your opinion about Gerry's actual systems. Is he a good offensive and/or defensive coach? Because i haven't seen that affirmed. Only that he gets his players to "play hard." Amusing, sometimes, how the coaches are 'evaluated' and discussed in a forum like this. And how each 'side' thinks it knows their metrics and reasonings are the only valid ones.

I really don't know how with the ability of the players at Siena, and the competition, that anyone can say how good a coach Gerry will be. Better players allow a coach to implement better adjustments, both offensively and defensively according to situations.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Gerry’s biggest strength is he takes an honest look at his players strengths and weaknesses, and devises offensive and defensive game plans that maximize those strengths. He designs a system that fits his players, not devising a system and trying to make his players fit.
This is why he could keep pivoting and competing despite all the injuries they had throughout the year. It is a rare gift.