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upperdeck said:
you mean like real jobs where the CEOs make 100 million and most of the employees make minimum wage?
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Right?

I (Sr Mgr) made 3x more than my lowest paid employees.

My boss (GM) makes 1.5x me

His boss (VP) makes 2x him

His bosses boss (CEO) makes 4x more than his VP

His boss (Chairman) makes 8x more than the CEO, and 300x more than my lowest paid employees
 
upperdeck said:
you mean like real jobs where the CEOs make 100 million and most of the employees make minimum wage?
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Come on now. Those people aren't important. They're not on TV.
 
Every time this is a conversation I’m shocked at the amount of people who still don’t think the players should get a slice of the pie that they put the most work into baking.
 
UpstateSM said:
Every time this is a conversation I’m shocked at the amount of people who still don’t think the players should get a slice of the pie that they put the most work into baking.
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If every school dropped all sports tomorrow, the schools will be just fine and survive and it really wont impact them all that much. They are Billiom dollar organizations after all.

Schools can survive without sports and the kids that play them. Most programs arent profitable anyhow, they just pump money back into the programs and facilities.

Without sports, no facilities needed, problem solved.

Of course that also means about 350 kids per school that wont get scholarships or aid for athletics.

This argument reminds me of the minimum wage increase in NY. People and Cuome pushed for it and the results have not been favorable. Resulted in more firings than they could have imagined. NY says it hasn't affected employment rates but McDonalds replaced paying jobs with touch kiosks. My double cheeseburger went from 1.59 to 2.19 overnight, Wendy's single was relatively inexpensive at 4.59 went to 5.99, so who is really paying, yep the consumer. In other words my fast food cost of living just went up like everything else in this state.

In other words be careful what you wish for, you might get it, except that it may look nothing like you thought it would.

I am not as big a fan at all of pro sports because of the money paid to the players. Owners were mostly wealthy before they bought franchises so it has nothing to do with them but players getting 200 mil contracts ruin the game for me. Switching teams every few years ruins the game for me. Not sure I would be as much of a fan or at all if players were getting paid. Also the shenanigans with below board dealings will increase, add agents to the mix, taxes, kids still being taken advantage of by agents, attorneys and handlers. Sounds like a mess to me.

Just my opinion, rant over.
 
If colleges didn't have D1 arms race, tuition cost would be halved, if not more

Also, if they would stop thinking that they are real estate and construction companies too, the cost to get that education would go from $50k a year to $15k a year.
 
orangenauburn said:
If colleges didn't have D1 arms race, tuition cost would be halved, if not more

Also, if they would stop thinking that they are real estate and construction companies too, the cost to get that education would go from $50k a year to $15k a year.
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If that was the case, why do the Ivy League schools have the highest tuition?

Why does the University of Chicago have a tuition that is more than $7K more than Vanderbilt?

I think you re dramatically overstating the costs of hosting D1 sports programs, and understating the revenues that come from having them. This includes money from tickets, TV, concessions and the money donated by sports fans. Universities are not stupid. They are not spending the money they are spending for no reason.
 
CuseOnly said:
If every school dropped all sports tomorrow, the schools will be just fine and survive and it really wont impact them all that much. They are Billiom dollar organizations after all.

Schools can survive without sports and the kids that play them. Most programs arent profitable anyhow, they just pump money back into the programs and facilities.

Without sports, no facilities needed, problem solved.

Of course that also means about 350 kids per school that wont get scholarships or aid for athletics.

This argument reminds me of the minimum wage increase in NY. People and Cuome pushed for it and the results have not been favorable. Resulted in more firings than they could have imagined. NY says it hasn't affected employment rates but McDonalds replaced paying jobs with touch kiosks. My double cheeseburger went from 1.59 to 2.19 overnight, Wendy's single was relatively inexpensive at 4.59 went to 5.99, so who is really paying, yep the consumer. In other words my fast food cost of living just went up like everything else in this state.

In other words be careful what you wish for, you might get it, except that it may look nothing like you thought it would.

I am not as big a fan at all of pro sports because of the money paid to the players. Owners were mostly wealthy before they bought franchises so it has nothing to do with them but players getting 200 mil contracts ruin the game for me. Switching teams every few years ruins the game for me. Not sure I would be as much of a fan or at all if players were getting paid. Also the shenanigans with below board dealings will increase, add agents to the mix, taxes, kids still being taken advantage of by agents, attorneys and handlers. Sounds like a mess to me.
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So basically, you're saying if you're already rich, you deserve to be rich and if you're not, it doesn't matter if you live comfortably or not?

I can't remember what the distribution of revenue is for the NBA, but the number 53% to the owners and 47% to the players sticks in my head. So owners are making OBSCENE money off of owning their clubs. Players are also making big money, but this is to correctly compensate their worth. Consumers shell out billions for pro sports, and they are paying to watch the players, not the owners. The money floating around is a result of the quality of the product - players deserve every dime they get and should get more.
 
sutomcat said:
If that was the case, why do the Ivy League schools have the highest tuition?

Why does the University of Chicago have a tuition that is more than $7K more than Vanderbilt?
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Because people are willing to pay for Ivies. They have no shortage of applicants and huge endowment.
 
xc84 said:
Players get a full ride worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for playing. I can’t believe people say they aren’t paid.
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I got tuition remission when I went to grad school at SU. I got this perk in exchange for serving as a TA in the Broadcast Journalism department. On top of that, I got paid $13 an hour. I don't know if that's a standard, but the university recognized that tuition remission alone wasn't enough to justify my services - and I was just trouble shooting and running sound boards.

College athletes are making collective billions for the NCAA, networks, ADs, coaches, etc. And somehow, the goodwill, brand image, and entertainment they offer is far more useful than the helper work I did as a TA, but is worth less financially?

I strongly, strongly disagree with you.
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
I got tuition remission when I went to grad school at SU. I got this perk in exchange for serving as a TA in the Broadcast Journalism department. On top of that, I got paid $13 an hour. I don't know if that's a standard, but the university recognized that tuition remission alone wasn't enough to justify my services - and I was just trouble shooting and running sound boards.

College athletes are making collective billions for the NCAA, networks, ADs, coaches, etc. And somehow, the goodwill, brand image, and entertainment they offer is far more useful than the helper work I did as a TA, but is worth less financially?

I strongly, strongly disagree with you.
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You got paid much less than a football player then.
 
xc84 said:
Players get a full ride worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for playing. I can’t believe people say they aren’t paid.
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And let’s add on the interest if it was a typical school loan. Mega value. But because it isn’t in their pocket then they don’t think they get paid.
 
Don’t forget all the special perks that student athletes get, on demand tutors, special meals, all meals paid for, housing paid for...they get brand new footwear for games, I mean the list is honestly endless for Basketball and football athletes. If you start paying these kids a salary college athletics should end, period.

now, if Nike is selling the kids jersey number and making money off it, these kids deserve that money etc.
 
sutomcat said:
If that was the case, why do the Ivy League schools have the highest tuition?

Why does the University of Chicago have a tuition that is more than $7K more than Vanderbilt?

I think you re dramatically overstating the costs of hosting D1 sports programs, and understating the revenues that come from having them. This includes money from tickets, TV, concessions and the money donated by sports fans. Universities are not stupid. They are not spending the money they are spending for no reason.
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The second part of my comment. Building and buildings.

Plus Ivy's charge more for the name alone.
 
If best argument against it is that they already get paid then you’re missing the point.

I don’t think they should be getting a salary for a plenty of reasons but none of them are that they already get paid. Athletes should be allowed to make money off of their own name and likeness. The fact that schools, shoe companies, television networks, and whoever else makes money off their backs without them being able to even have the opportunity to reach their earning potential in an open market is unjust.

It’s apples and oranges to any other student because those students don’t bring in loads of cash to the university, and if they do they would be allowed to go get endorsement money or any other form of compensation without negative consequences.

Allowing NIL endorsements isn’t the end of college sports. It doesn’t “ruin the purity of the game” or fundamentally change the game you actually watch and care about unless you want it to.
 
xc84 said:
You got paid much less than a football player then.
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I was also given money for my services, instead of just perks that are only of value if you remain a member of the team you play for.
 
JRHEETER said:
Don’t forget all the special perks that student athletes get, on demand tutors, special meals, all meals paid for, housing paid for...they get brand new footwear for games, I mean the list is honestly endless for Basketball and football athletes. If you start paying these kids a salary college athletics should end, period.

now, if Nike is selling the kids jersey number and making money off it, these kids deserve that money etc.
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They do get what seems to be thousands of dollars in free Nike gear. And a stipend of some amount.

Not sure 19 year olds would start funding a 401k. But the NCAA needs to loosen up more reasonable things.
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
I was also given money for my services, instead of just perks that are only of value if you remain a member of the team you play for.
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You had to use that money to pay room and board.
 
Bayside44 said:
They do get what seems to be thousands of dollars in free Nike gear. And a stipend of some amount.

Not sure 19 year olds would start funding a 401k. But the NCAA needs to loosen up more reasonable things.
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401k and IRA needs to be funded with earned income.

Scholarships and stipends aren’t counted as that.

Now - if players get paid, that’s earned income, and they could at least do IRA’s.

Or if that then makes them employees of the University, then a 401k or 403b would be a viable option
 
721Comstock said:
401k and IRA needs to be funded with earned income.

Scholarships and stipends aren’t counted as that.

Now - if players get paid, that’s earned income, and they could at least do IRA’s.

Or if that then makes them employees of the University, then a 401k or 403b would be a viable option
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There’s just too many problems with paying SAs like university employees. The biggest of them is Title IX
 
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