The balanced view

[CnyTarheel]

The one good thing about the portal is you can really blow it one year and then totally turn it around the next.. assuming the scholarships are there. I truly believe Red does know talent, but if this happens next he's got to go. I'm just disappointed, I never thought he would tolerate the lack of hustle and the lack of caring that he has let go on.

 

[chuck]

IMO, this isn't balanced. It's selective. You are looking at this like this a 1.5 season evaluation. This is now going on for over a decade. It is a continuation of the end of the JB era. The school chose to do a continuation hire, they have to be evaluated on it.

There is no perfect storm, this is what college basketball is. The non con is totally fine. There is no bear of a non con. This is a normal schedule we should have.

Kline is TBD.

There is no evidence that Red is a good coach because when he had better players he had a better record. There is no one as good as Judah and Maliq on this team.

Recruiting is now HS/First Year + Portal In - Portal Out. It doesn't matter if Red can get HS recruits if he cannot handle the portal.

A "busy" off season is literally what every single program will be having, especially the P5 programs.

It hasn't been a tough couple of months, it's been a tough decade+ and limiting your evaluation to the last 1.5 years is magically waving away just how long we've been on this road.

The data has been and is readily available. The light has been blinking red for years (no pun intended).

Again, let's just go back to what it really is:

We allowed JB to stay on way too long. We thought we had to hire Red. For financial or other reasons, we are now on a decade+ downslide, but we have to eat it with Red for another year before this university thinks it can make a move.

That's where we are. It's fine to just say "it's going to suck until SU fixes this, if they can"

Jbs teams were head and shoulders better than this team is! He'll even his worst team had an nba draft pick lmao. Comparing this crap to jb in the last 5 years of the freaking 45 years he coached better than 95% of the rest of college teams head coaches is a little silly imo.

 

[chuck]

I'm not sure. If I had to make a bet, I would say 75% he doesn't but, in my opinion, he did do a good job last year. Not great by any measure but good considering it was his first year and he inherited a complete mess. This year was cooked before is started. Why? Because he made a bad call on Dry Rub and missed out on his top PG target. Replace Lampkin with a real center, Land the PG he wanted keep JJ healthy and we are not having this conversation. Going forward let the GM decide who we pursue add some new thinking with new coaches increase NIL with Melos help and everything changes. Still is Red a good x and o guy. I don't think so. By the way neither was JB his first few years but he sure could recruit. Players win games more than coaching and i do believe that Red can bring in good players.

This is a complete mess compared to what autry inherited lmao. Autry got the keys to a brand name program with the top 5 wins of all programs the last 40 years let's stop making claims that are opinions an not facts.

 

[Nicknack]

Simply put, this season was torpedoed when we swung and missed in the portal with poor talent evaluation. None of these guys can play to a level that we are looking for. Red said he wants to play a faster, high pressured defensive game and he spent the most NIL on an out of shape center who can't score, rebound or play defense. Insane. Carlos clearly was a second choice at the 1 and does not have the talent to play in the ACC.

If Carlos was a second choice, I'd fire the entire staff. No disrespect meant to the young man, but second choice?? You can not convince me that we don't already have a better option ON THE TEAM over our current PG who is playing 36.6 minutes a game over the last five.

 

[RF2044]

If Carlos was a second choice, I'd fire the entire staff. No disrespect meant to the young man, but second choice?? You can not convince me that we don't already have a better option ON THE TEAM over our current PG who is playing 36.6 minutes a game over the last five.

We don't.

Which is also on the staff.

 

[Nicknack]

We don't.

Which is also on the staff.

I COMPLETELY disagree that our best bet is playing Carlos 36.6 minutes a game. I'd rather see Cuffe start or at the very least, split those minutes. You can not convince me that he deserves 36 minutes a game because he's the only one that can dribble a basketball. Good lord.

 

[AckermanAve]

Red's wife showed more fire complaining about a call on Petar than Red did all day.

Willard was coaching his team harder up 30 in the 2nd half than Red was. (Yes-I was still watching… on the small tv)

 

[baggerbob]

I COMPLETELY disagree that our best bet is playing Carlos 36.6 minutes a game. I'd rather see Cuffe start or at the very least, split those minutes. You can not convince me that he deserves 36 minutes a game because he's the only one that can dribble a basketball. Good lord.

Carlos never should have been brought in as anything, but a bench piece, and that's on Red.

 

[Red2003]

Carlos never should have been brought in as anything, but a bench piece, and that's on Red.

You’re right. I think this is where you really see the differences with Fran Brown being at Georgia evaluating guys in the portal. He learned from the best.

I think Autry looked at stats over the physical attributes. I think Fran looks at the physical over the stats.

I’m simplifying but Clearly Carlos doesn’t have the physical attributes needed or the leadership qualities to be a floor general.

This is all being captain hindsight. I think the writing is on the wall Autry can evaluate high school talent but needs to really stay away from these senior portal guys that aren’t proven.

Now we know and it won’t be cheap.

 

[BillSU]

I consider myself invested enough to use it and did so intentionally. Taking a little ownership, and trying to hold off joining the emotional Fire Red chorus until I try some rational analysis and root cause investigation. Have to answer the “and then?” question before making a change for change sake.

I think Red deserves more time, a year -then if we are passing the ball to the other team we make a change.

 

[djcon57]

You’re right. I think this is where you really see the differences with Fran Brown being at Georgia evaluating guys in the portal. He learned from the best.

I think Autry looked at stats over the physical attributes. I think Fran looks at the physical over the stats.

I’m simplifying but Clearly Carlos doesn’t have the physical attributes needed or the leadership qualities to be a floor general.

This is all being captain hindsight. I think the writing is on the wall Autry can evaluate high school talent but needs to really stay away from these senior portal guys that aren’t proven.

Now we know and it won’t be cheap.

I don’t think he looked at stats at all. I think he got infatuated with the whole NYC, tough PG stuff. We saw it non stop in the PR posts this off-season. Comparisons to Jose Alvarado. His metrics were not good at all for that level, pointed it out at the time. Mid major guys who excel were STARS at that level. Not decent.

 

[kcsu]

I dont know Red at all so I have to ask. Is Red considered a good teacher? What is he known for as a coach? Is he just a good recruiter?
Is he sharp, a quick thinker? What are his positive qualities as a coach and leader of the program?

 

[Cuse4403]

I simply don't believe Melos influence and money coupled with a bad coach is a net win for a program over what a quality head coach brings. How easy it is to recruit in the portal vs Autry?You want to go to Syracuse? Well we can offer you the same NIL package and their head coach just won 12 games with two McDonalds AA on his roster. We just went to the Sweet 16 and returns three of those starters.

I will forever love Carmelo Anthony. He is a Syracuse legend. Is playing for Adrian Autry with Carmelo Anthony in the stands really a draw for college aged kids? I think the buzz Carmelo brings is felt by a grateful fanbase, not those with no affiliation to Syracuse. We need a legit head coach.

 

[hoopsupstate]

If Carlos was a second choice, I'd fire the entire staff. No disrespect meant to the young man, but second choice?? You can not convince me that we don't already have a better option ON THE TEAM over our current PG who is playing 36.6 minutes a game over the last five.

Name him!

 

[RF2044]

I COMPLETELY disagree that our best bet is playing Carlos 36.6 minutes a game. I'd rather see Cuffe start or at the very least, split those minutes. You can not convince me that he deserves 36 minutes a game because he's the only one that can dribble a basketball. Good lord.

Carlos being capable is a completely separate argument from whether or not there are other candidates on this roster who can adequately play the PG position.

• JJ isn't a playmaker.
• Westry can't stay healthy and is totally unproven.
• Cuffe is a 5-11 shooting guard, who can handle but offers no playmaking.

So, "good lord?" Try being realistic about the players' capabilities.

No argument from me that it is a sorry state of affairs that the roster as constructed requires a subpar player like Carlos to play 37 minutes per game.

 

[Dcuse]

I COMPLETELY disagree that our best bet is playing Carlos 36.6 minutes a game. I'd rather see Cuffe start or at the very least, split those minutes. You can not convince me that he deserves 36 minutes a game because he's the only one that can dribble a basketball. Good lord.

That is PRECISELY why he has to play those minutes. You’re saying he should split minutes with somebody who can’t dribble a basketball? Good lord.

 

[CuseCPT]

That is PRECISELY why he has to play those minutes. You’re saying he should split minutes with somebody who can’t dribble a basketball? Good lord.

Here's a crazy concept, instead of preordaining someone to play the whole game why not see what Cuffe can do and if he's getting abused, switch back to Carlos.

 

[Orangezoo]

Kyle has an Assist to Turnover ratio of 1:2. Carlos has been god awful but Cuffe has neither playmaking ability nor the ability to initiate the offense. He’s a 2/3 hybrid that’s 6 inches too short.

 

[MikeSU02]

Kyle has an Assist to Turnover ratio of 1:2. Carlos has been god awful but Cuffe has neither playmaking ability nor the ability to initiate the offense. He’s a 2/3 hybrid that’s 6 inches too short.

Do you really think those would be his stats if he ran lead guard at the runway that JC has?

You’re comparing apples to jello molds.

JC is literally a losing player for us every second he plays. JC is not driving the offense. He is dribbling the ball past half court most times.

I’m not saying Cuffe should be our starting lead guard, but we can’t continue to have JC as lead and expect to be better. He’s a major reason we are losing. Have to try something else. Cuffe hasn’t played nearly enough, especially at lead guard, to evaluate what he can do in that role.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

That is PRECISELY why he has to play those minutes. You’re saying he should split minutes with somebody who can’t dribble a basketball? Good lord.

I admire your staunch loyalty to Red, even in the face of all evidence that he doesn't deserve it.

Willard was coaching his team harder up 30 in the 2nd half than Red was. (Yes-I was still watching… on the small tv)

^^^ And stuff like this, which I've noted has been clear since early in the season, is why ^^^

Willard; freaking Willard, man!

 

[Orangezoo]

Do you really think those would be his stats if he ran lead guard at the runway that JC has?

You’re comparing apples to jello molds.

JC is literally a losing player for us every second he plays. JC is not driving the offense. He is dribbling the ball past half court most times.

I’m not saying Cuffe should be our starting lead guard, but we can’t continue to have JC as lead and expect to be better. He’s a major reason we are losing. Have to try something else. Cuffe hasn’t played nearly enough, especially at lead guard, to evaluate what he can do in that role.

I get you but hang on and chill for a second. I didn’t say anything about minutes and whether who should play for who. My point is that you can try out whoever you want but outside of maybe theying JJ there when he returns you aren’t going to be happy with the results. You are reading way too far into my response which was just a general comment.

That said- sure try Cuffe out. I’ll eat crow if I’m wrong but I fully expect he will produce the same results just likely by way of far more turnovers. So by say let’s do something else I mean sure- just don’t expect a different outcome based on what he’s done to date. I’m fine with trying Kyle with Moore in the backcourt just I don’t see any reason to believe it gets better as a result of that change.

Just to be clear given you are insinuating I’m advocating for Carlos to play big minutes … ever which is not true.

Also just by the numbers using Evan Miya-

Cuffe is the 10th man in terms of possessions played but with that he has the lowest BPR on the team and especially the lowest defensive BPR below both Davis and Carlos. I don’t know if more time and possessions would change that but he had the lowest overall BPR on last years team too, not the lowest defensive however. So should we try it? Why not… just don’t expect much.

 

[Newhouser]

The Cuffe vs Carlos debate speaks volumes on how far we have fallen. Triche vs Waiters it is not

 

[Fly Rodder]

The Cuffe vs Carlos debate speaks volumes on how far we have fallen. Triche vs Waiters it is not

It's not even Howard Washington vs Geno Thorpe

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

It's not even Howard Washington vs Geno Thorpe

This! Sobering.

 

[Nicknack]

That is PRECISELY why he has to play those minutes. You’re saying he should split minutes with somebody who can’t dribble a basketball? Good lord.

I was being facetious. I'm one who doesn't think Carlos is the only one on the team who can dribble a basketball. Sheesh.