i'm completely done with grad transfers

[Cuse House]

would it be any worse if it had joseph and Johnson?

Can't answer that because they aren't here. Joseph was just as bad.

I would like to have Johnson for next year, but he doesn't solve any issues for this years team. We have shooters.

 

[orangehomer]

Can't answer that because they aren't here. Joseph was just as bad.

I would like to have Johnson for next year, but he doesn't solve any issues for this years team. We have shooters.

well he would be one of the shooters if we didn't have Andrew white.

 

[Cuse House]

well he would be one of the shooters if we didn't have Andrew white.

I'm sorry but Andrew White has been a gift from God this year. If I had to choose Johnson or White, I'm taking White every time. Dude can flat out stroke it and has been everything we wanted him to be.

 

[Bayside44]

Can you figure out a way for us to keep kids longer than year or two? Do that and the grad transfer thing goes away.

 

[orangehomer]

Can you figure out a way for us to keep kids longer than year or two? Do that and the grad transfer thing goes away.

I don't know the answer, but there is a reason that a school like villanova is recruiting circles around us. if they can find good 4 year players than we should be able to.

 

[orangehomer]

I'm sorry but Andrew White has been a gift from God this year. If I had to choose Johnson or White, I'm taking White every time. Dude can flat out stroke it and has been everything we wanted him to be.

Andrew white is the leading scorer on a bad team. ron harper was the leading scorer of the clippers, and they were terrible. he then got traded to the bulls and became a defensive specialist. for everything that Andrew white's offense giveth, his defense taketh away.

 

[MadNY3]

I am not renewing my tickets next year if we go the transfer route again. I would rather lose with freshman and program kids than mercs.

That will teach the program.

The program suffocated by scholarship losses, wary defections including Malachi's somewhat surprising one.

Bye.

 

[Trueblue25]

Can you figure out a way for us to keep kids longer than year or two? Do that and the grad transfer thing goes away.

Move on to Hopkins and revamp our recruitment efforts. We aren't going to pull in 5 stars over Kansas and Duke, but we can recruit great players to build around and beat those teams on the hardwood with.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I agree, would be nice to get some guys ready but we're almost to a point where we just need roster fillers. I'm sure we nab a third guard but as of right now Autry is our third guard next year.

And what's hilarious is we're talking about our third guard.

Third guard.

Call me crazy but maybe we want like 5 of those on the roster in normal years.

 

[HSPORANGE]

I am not renewing my tickets next year if we go the transfer route again. I would rather lose with freshman and program kids than mercs.

My gawd we lost get over it. Nobody cares if you renew or not but get a grip. 3 games and acc tourney left still.

 

[cuseattle]

My gawd we lost get over it. Nobody cares if you renew or not but get a grip. 3 games and acc tourney left still.

Yup. There are something like 350 D1 college hoop teams and 280 or so wish they were in our situation. GO ORANGE!

 

[Ghost]

I got no issues with either guy. They both seem like good dudes, and White has been great. He hasn't been hitting threes at the same clip the last couple games, but he's hit at the end in big moments, and he's developed a better dribble drive game. Which, for a 5th year dude, is a testament to how coachable he is. Although I wonder why nobody else thought to have use/develop that more? He would be far more dangerous with a better game off the bounce.

Gillon, eh, he's been great in spurts. He hits big shots - I'll give him that. I think at times he shouldn't have the ball, and we seem to go out of our way to ensure he has the ball in those spots, but whatever. Also, seems to have a confidence issue, I think that airball chant rattled him. I think he rattles kind of easily in general (which is odd because he hits end of game threes like it's his job of late)...but kid has been a warrior and won us a couple games this year when Frank failed to do much at all with the starting PG position. What more could you want out of a 5th year that was insurance?

 

[SBU72]

Stupid post. What would this team be without Gillon and White?

5 guys playing 40 minutes a game. Walk ons playing when TT - FH foul out.

edit, forgot about Moyer.

 

[cuseinseattle]

Wonder would I record would be without them.

Insert Moyer at the three and Howard at the one with no backup guard.

Would you have renewed your tickets with a 10 win team?

You think we would have won 10 games with that lineup? I love your optimism.

 

[longtimefan]

I don't agree with the OP, but once the scholarship limits are over I want to see us use our full allotment and actually build some depth.

Program guys are fine. If a guy isn't ready to contribute until he's a junior, whatever. Let's at least run practices with scholarship players against scholarship players.

Problem is, most kids today will transfer before their third year rather than be considered "program guys".

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Problem is, most kids today will transfer before their third year rather than be considered "program guys".

Great! Frees up a scholly to go to someone else.

 

[longtimefan]

It works both ways. Our best teams have always had early entrants.

Neither statement is correct. 2003 had an early entrant. 2010 did not, as Wes Johnson was in his 4th year.

 

[longtimefan]

This team would be absolutely suffering without White and Gillion but here is something about having players commit to the program, grow there skills and stick around. I especially enjoy watching players that continue to grow and finish at the program. Guys like Warrick, Nichols, Christmas are the players I am most fond of. With that said, I understand grabbing these grad transfers, we were in a bind. However, relying on grad transfers for two years straight indicates poor planning in my opinion.

Pitino has had grad transfers two years in a row (at least).

Plus, we have the scholarship restriction situation.

 

[longtimefan]

Great! Frees up a scholly to go to someone else.

But, if they are constantly leaving, we do not have the "program guys" you long for.

 

[two3zone]

Neither statement is correct. 2003 had an early entrant. 2010 did not, as Wes Johnson was in his 4th year.

Wes Johnson was an early entrant, he may have been in the college system for 4 years but he had a season left of eligibility which would make him an early entrant.

 

[longtimefan]

Wes Johnson was an early entrant, he may have been in the college system for 4 years but he had a season left of eligibility which would make him an early entrant.

He did not use his last year of eligibility. That's different from being an early entrant. Would you have considered White and Gillon early entrants if they had decided to play for pay rather than go the grad transfer route?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

But, if they are constantly leaving, we do not have the "program guys" you long for.

But at least we're actually using our scholarships and can see what comes of it.

 

[two3zone]

He did not use his last year of eligibility. That's different from being an early entrant. Would you have considered White and Gillon early entrants if they had decided to play for pay rather than go the grad transfer route?

You're the only person that wouldn't call Wes Johnson an early entrant. Not sure if you're "longtimefan" but you're probably closer to "oldcrankyfan", I'm not understanding what you're trying to argue. Hell, first picture on the page titled "history of Syracuse early entrants" there is a picture of Wes Johnson smiling. I guess nobody is really an early entrant according to you, instead of Carmelo Anthony, early entrant, it would be Carmelo Anthony, forgoing his final 3 years of eligibility.

A look at Syracuse basketball players who entered NBA draft early

How about this one?

NBA Early Entrants Announced

Another?

2010 Early Entries | NBADraft.net

One more?

The Official Early Entry List 2010

Kidding, last one.

The Oakland Press Blogs: Pistons' Point: Complete list of early entrants to the NBA Draft

And yes, Gillon and White played 3 years each, if they left early they'd be early entrants. GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

 

[longtimefan]

You're the only person that wouldn't call Wes Johnson an early entrant. Not sure if you're "longtimefan" but you're probably closer to "oldcrankyfan", I'm not understanding what you're trying to argue. Hell, first picture on the page titled "history of Syracuse early entrants" there is a picture of Wes Johnson smiling. I guess nobody is really an early entrant according to you, instead of Carmelo Anthony, early entrant, it would be Carmelo Anthony, forgoing his final 3 years of eligibility.

A look at Syracuse basketball players who entered NBA draft early

How about this one?

NBA Early Entrants Announced

Another?

2010 Early Entries | NBADraft.net

One more?

The Official Early Entry List 2010

And yes, Gillon and White played 3 years each, if they left early they'd be early entrants. GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Now, don't go getting personal. I have not yet quite reached the cranky stage.

I am dealing with semantics, perhaps, but if someone spent 4 years in college, he could be considered to have finished his college experience, whether or not there is eligibility remaining. And, if a degree has been earned, even more so.

I guess I'm also saying that the term "early entrant" has become something of a sloppy shorthand, that includes guys who have barely squeezed out a single semester (Simmons) as well as some who may have stayed for a full 4 years and earned a degree.

 

[two3zone]

Now, don't go getting personal. I have not yet quite reached the cranky stage.

I am dealing with semantics, perhaps, but if someone spent 4 years in college, he could be considered to have finished his college experience, whether or not there is eligibility remaining. And, if a degree has been earned, even more so.

I guess I'm also saying that the term "early entrant" has become something of a sloppy shorthand, that includes guys who have barely squeezed out a single semester (Simmons) as well as some who may have stayed for a full 4 years and earned a degree.

Rak graduated in 3 years, if he left after his junior year to the NBA he wouldn't have been considered an early entrant?

I do apologize for getting personal, I'm a little cranky myself today.