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Um, we DO "know for sure" that a percentage of people WILL DIE from this.
While we don't know the exact % - it's NOT zero.

What is an acceptable death toll?

Especially when those deaths were avoidable?

Listen we just have no idea what would happen if we allowed for people to gather together in large groups with a highly contagious respiratory virus that has caused significant morbidity and mortality in a mere four weeks. One that we have no vaccine for.

On the other hand, we DO know that it would rule to have college football in September.
 
Listen we just have no idea what would happen if we allowed for people to gather together in large groups with a highly contagious respiratory virus that has caused significant morbidity and mortality in a mere four weeks. One that we have no vaccine for.

On the other hand, we DO know that it would rule to have college football in September.

#Facts! ;)

Sweden tried their hand at Herd Immunity with this thing.
It ended... poorly.

I think we should go ahead and allow large groups of people to gather, wherever and whenever they want.

... with the only caveat, is that in order to do so, they all have to sign a waiver;
that states that if they become ill, they will just stay at home and let nature take its course, and will not be allowed access to any medical facilities for anything related to Covid-19.

It's basically the mass Darwin Awards. :p
Get after it, sportsfans! ;)
 
Listen we just have no idea what would happen if we allowed for people to gather together in large groups with a highly contagious respiratory virus that has caused significant morbidity and mortality in a mere four weeks. One that we have no vaccine for.

On the other hand, we DO know that it would rule to have college football in September.
Hey HEY HEY! There was something I saw on twitter from some guy who never posted anything prior to March 31st (and doesn't exist anywhere else) and all of his tweets and retweets are saying that the experts are all WRONG. Why don't people take him seriously?
 
Hey HEY HEY! There was something I saw on twitter from some guy who never posted anything prior to March 31st (and doesn't exist anywhere else) and all of his tweets and retweets are saying that the experts are all WRONG. Why don't people take him seriously?

Can't waste an oppurtunity to show everyone how free thinking and libertarian I am. Plus I really miss the flourless chocolate cake at Cheesecake Factory.
 
Problem here is that not only are we fighting a relentless virus but also fighting with each other due to our political beliefs and affiliations. The latter is what will more likely keep us down and possibly make things even worse. Sucks.
 
First, death sucks worse. You can always come back from financial problems. Happens all the time. I'm no expert on this but I believe if we come back too soon, it will be far worse for the economy. True or not, the most important thing, and they are not equal, is that we have to get the virus under control. It far outweighs the economy. Unless you agree with Dr Oz that opening the schools is more important than losing 2% of the children that would be going to those schools.
Where the heck do you come up with that? Statistically children are the least susceptible from this disease. The reason schools have been closed is not to protect children but to mitigate spread of Covid19 to more susceptible cohorts of the population.
 
if people wear masks, wash hands and stay out of crowds when possible, alot of issues become manageable.. how NYC does it i dont know.. how bars etc work i dont know.. but many places would manage , but it only takes a few people not caring to mess it up

people who were sick before and took it to work when it was just a cold, are probably still gonna do it now when its the virus.
 
if people wear masks, wash hands and stay out of crowds when possible, alot of issues become manageable.. how NYC does it i dont know.. how bars etc work i dont know.. but many places would manage , but it only takes a few people not caring to mess it up

people who were sick before and took it to work when it was just a cold, are probably still gonna do it now when its the virus.

exponential growth is a b”@&$
 
Where the heck do you come up with that? Statistically children are the least susceptible from this disease. The reason schools have been closed is not to protect children but to mitigate spread of Covid19 to more susceptible cohorts of the population.
Just saw a 5 yr old died. But the under lining reason is still valid.
 
Um, we DO "know for sure" that a percentage of people WILL DIE from this.
While we don't know the exact % - it's NOT zero.

What is an acceptable death toll?

Especially when those deaths were avoidable?
The acceptable death rate is zero but that isn't feasible. People are going to die from it just like they do from the flu or heart disease. At some point we are going to have to stop hiding in our houses in fear and start living again.
 
The acceptable death rate is zero but that isn't feasible. People are going to die from it just like they do from the flu or heart disease. At some point we are going to have to stop hiding in our houses in fear and start living again.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

 
The acceptable death rate is zero but that isn't feasible. People are going to die from it just like they do from the flu or heart disease. At some point we are going to have to stop hiding in our houses in fear and start living again.
This was posted on my town's Facebook group by someone who lives in town.

COVID-19 is NOT the flu. It is so much worse than the flu.


From a friend whose friend is an ICU doctor. Thought about it all night. I have read many explanations in the last few weeks, but THIS one slammed me in the face!

For anyone who knows that one person who just can’t seem to get on board with this- feel free to share. Share it over and over especially to those you know in states who think they need to be liberated. Not so fast my friends, not so fast.


***Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.

COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:

1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.

2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.

3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.

4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.

5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming you don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.

6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t usually kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.

I hope that helps to clarify why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.
 
This was posted on my town's Facebook group by someone who lives in town.

COVID-19 is NOT the flu. It is so much worse than the flu.


From a friend whose friend is an ICU doctor. Thought about it all night. I have read many explanations in the last few weeks, but THIS one slammed me in the face!

For anyone who knows that one person who just can’t seem to get on board with this- feel free to share. Share it over and over especially to those you know in states who think they need to be liberated. Not so fast my friends, not so fast.


***Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.

COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:

1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.

2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.

3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.

4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.

5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming you don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.

6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t usually kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.

I hope that helps to clarify why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.
A rare sliver of light on FB. Could be another year before something else intelligible is found on there. But very informative comparison. Thanks for sharing. ;)
 
This was posted on my town's Facebook group by someone who lives in town.

COVID-19 is NOT the flu. It is so much worse than the flu.


From a friend whose friend is an ICU doctor. Thought about it all night. I have read many explanations in the last few weeks, but THIS one slammed me in the face!

For anyone who knows that one person who just can’t seem to get on board with this- feel free to share. Share it over and over especially to those you know in states who think they need to be liberated. Not so fast my friends, not so fast.


***Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.

COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:

1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.

2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.

3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.

4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.

5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming you don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.

6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t usually kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.

I hope that helps to clarify why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.

Not to be pedantic but #2 is wrong, or misleading at best. Droplet transmission =/= airborne transmission. Doesn’t change the story, but airborne transmission would make this extremely bad situation much worse.
 
Not to be pedantic but #2 is wrong, or misleading at best. Droplet transmission =/= airborne transmission. Doesn’t change the story, but airborne transmission would make this extremely bad situation much worse.
For all those degrees he makes a number of errors in his lecture.
 
For all those degrees he makes a number of errors in his lecture.
please name them. I must admit that I am impressed with his resume. But I am sure that I would be impressed with Dr Drew and dr Oz and Dr Phil (not a medical Dr) and they sure made fools of themselves over this.
 
This was posted on my town's Facebook group by someone who lives in town.

COVID-19 is NOT the flu. It is so much worse than the flu.


From a friend whose friend is an ICU doctor. Thought about it all night. I have read many explanations in the last few weeks, but THIS one slammed me in the face!

For anyone who knows that one person who just can’t seem to get on board with this- feel free to share. Share it over and over especially to those you know in states who think they need to be liberated. Not so fast my friends, not so fast.


***Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.

COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:

1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.

2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.

3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.

4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.

5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming you don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.

6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t usually kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.

I hope that helps to clarify why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.
You and that Dr. Make some really valid points. It is worse than the flu but even doctors don't have a complete handle on this virus and as bad as it is it still kills a small percentage of people. I'm just saying we have been at this thing for 5 weeks now. People are tired of being stuck in their house all day and tired of losing their jobs. How much longer can you expect Americans to do this for?
 
College AD’s say if students are not on campus, there will be no college athletics.

Yeah I don't see how a school could possibly engage in the mental gymnastics it would take to justify not allowing classes on campus while simultaneously allowing any semblance of sports.

I feel like it has to be all or nothing.
 
How long can the coronavirus stay airborne? I have read different estimates.

A study done by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases' Laboratory of Virology in the Division of Intramural Research in Hamilton, Montana helps to answer this question. The researchers used a nebulizer to blow coronaviruses into the air. They found that infectious viruses could remain in the air for up to three hours. The results of the study were published in the New England Journal of Medicine on March 17, 2020.


I should have expected this. While possible to be aerosolized, especially in very specific circumstances like using a nebulizer in a lab, this is generally thought to be the exception not the rule. Coughing is much different than the NEJM methods.
 
How much longer can you expect Americans to do this for?
Long enough to save their lives?
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This is stupid influenza was followed by the greatest economic boom in world history. We could follow suit but TP horders want to stay inside.


College basketball teams can play in empty gyms if they have to.


College students can be quarantined in their dorms and not terrorized by their parents at home.

Higher education has to lead the way. If they get rona they get rona they’ll be fine especially since they’ll probably be tested once a week.
Where are they going to find the tests to check people every week?
 
I don’t think anyone knows if it’s droplet or aerosol.
And therein lies the fertile ground for internet conspiracy theorists to seize on any unorthodox data point, no matter how minor, and extrapolate that into some extravagant storyline. The basics are plenty enough for concern: it's spreading through community interaction, people can be asymptomatic carriers, and it's killing lots of folks who otherwise weren't going to die this month.
 
I've come to peace with the fact that the next Syracuse sporting event I watch is probably going to be our football opener September 2021. And if by some chance its sooner than that, I'll be on cloud nine.

My grandparents took a year off of sports to win World War Two. This is going to really, really suck, but I can do this. (I think)
 
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