Is the program in a worse spot then when Dino took over?

[LockedOnSyr]

Had this conversation with a friend today. Was your personal outlook on the program lower in Shafer's last year or right now? In other words, in the middle of year 5 of Dino, do you feel like the program is in better or worse shape then when he took over?

Factoring in recruiting and everything. I guess I could see both sides, but I think I'd have to say worse sadly. What do you guys think?

 

[PAcuse]

Better, no even close.

 

[Trueblue25]

No lol, not even close. But that was a LOW bar.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Better now.

Shafer was in over his head and was from Day 1. (I've been deleting old tweets on Twitter, and I tweeted a lot to no one in-particular in the 2013 season. It was clear McF***It wasn't going to work quite early on.)

Babers is stubborn for sure, but more qualified to be here.

Now, Syracuse will always be a younger brother in ACC football. But the program feels more grown up than it did in 2015.

 

[LockedOnSyr]

Yeah I guess the Liberty loss is just too fresh in my mind lol. Idk I just struggle to find the "light at the end of the tunnel" right now. But, Dino has already given us way more highs in terms of upsets, 10-3 season, etc.

 

[SUbear]

Had this conversation with a friend today. Was your personal outlook on the program lower in Shafer's last year or right now? In other words, in the middle of year 5 of Dino, do you feel like the program is in better or worse shape then when he took over?

Factoring in recruiting and everything. I guess I could see both sides, but I think I'd have to say worse sadly. What do you guys think?

Better situated with players and recruits, but coaching and field decisions is a draw.

 

[Trueblue25]

Yeah I guess the Liberty loss is just too fresh in my mind lol. Idk I just struggle to find the "light at the end of the tunnel" right now. But, Dino has already given us way more highs in terms of upsets, 10-3 season, etc.

Looking at on field decisions your concern’s valid imo. Recruiting and program health is far better though

 

[dasher]

It's better. No question. we are two years removed from a 10 win season. In the 15 years before, 6-5 or 6-6 looked great. This has been a recruiting year that puts us at least even with our peers. The rest of the year will be tough to watch.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You can argue our talent is worse.

QB
Dungey so better then.

RB
Strickland and Neal. Slightly better now.

WR
Ish, Irv, Estime, Custis so better then.

TE
Nothing really there so worse then.

OL
Certainly was better then.

DL
Neither are good but I suppose Slayton puts them over the top.

LB
Bennett sand Franklin were really good. But there wasn't much there besides that. Our guys now are very young but they might be better. TBD.

DB
I think what we have now is better despite Frederick and Cordy, but we are very young.

K/P
We are better now despite Hof.

So I think the O talent was better when he took over. The D talent is better now. So a push?

 

[IDOC]

I think not. The one really good season he had was more than a fluke so he can coach. This year is an outlier for us.
In addition he is a class act and a great mentor and teacher for his athletes. Of course in the business he chose positive results count, but is that not true in most jobs or professions.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

You can argue our talent is worse.

QB
Dungey so better then.

RB
Strickland and Neal. Slightly better now.

WR
Ish, Irv, Estime, Custis so better then.

TE
Nothing really there so worse then.

OL
Certainly was better then.

DL
Neither are good but I suppose Slayton puts them over the top.

LB
Bennett sand Franklin were really good. But there wasn't much there besides that. Our guys now are very young but they might be better. TBD.

DB
I think what we have now is better despite Frederick and Cordy, but we are very young.

K/P
We are better now despite Hof.

So I think the O talent was better when he took over. The D talent is better now. So a push?

Sounds about right. I actually think we were better at RB then too but tough with the OPT outs. Tucker probably the best of the bunch though.

Linebacker tough call as well Franklin probably best of bunch as he had NFL size too but depth wise probably now

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Sounds about right. I actually think we were better at RB then too but tough with the OPT outs. Tucker probably the best of the bunch though.

Linebacker tough call as well Franklin probably best of bunch as he had NFL size too but depth wise probably now

The D HC had the better O talent and the O HC the better D talent. I guess they thought they could coach up their side of the ball but needed guys on the other side.

 

[orangepassion]

I was thinking recently how much I missed Dungey, Ish, Slayton.

 

[Newhouser]

You can argue our talent is worse.

QB
Dungey so better then.

RB
Strickland and Neal. Slightly better now.

WR
Ish, Irv, Estime, Custis so better then.

TE
Nothing really there so worse then.

OL
Certainly was better then.

DL
Neither are good but I suppose Slayton puts them over the top.

LB
Bennett sand Franklin were really good. But there wasn't much there besides that. Our guys now are very young but they might be better. TBD.

DB
I think what we have now is better despite Frederick and Cordy, but we are very young.

K/P
We are better now despite Hof.

So I think the O talent was better when he took over. The D talent is better now. So a push?

You think current RB situation is better?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You think current RB situation is better?

Yes, counting the opt outs who are like transfers sitting out a year. When Dino took over there was no depth. He had a FR Neal who IMO isn't as good as a RB as Tucker.

 

[CousCuse]

I was thinking recently how much I missed Dungey, Ish, Slayton.

Eric Dungey, now there was a football player. Sigh.

 

[690West]

Yeah I guess the Liberty loss is just too fresh in my mind lol. Idk I just struggle to find the "light at the end of the tunnel" right now. But, Dino has already given us way more highs in terms of upsets, 10-3 season, etc.

Correct. You have a little bit of recency bias going on, which is normal. But it’s better and not close in my opinion

 

[tipphill]

worse----for me as i do not like his style offense anyway. dungey was the exception and imho, that offense was more of the dual threat style. i feel as long as he stays committed to a pro style qb and a fast offense concept (which is to much to ask of the level recruit we get), we will remain in no mans land. he's tried and it failed for 4 of 5 years and we are now a national joke. furthermore SOMEONE needs to be looking into our outlier status re injuries. WHAT IS GOING ON???????look at td the past two years, as well as countless others.
i have been a dino supporter. however he appears to me to be to stubborn, which is a very bad trait for leadership. i think he is in over his head. he does not appear to be able to adjust, or see the big picture of what has been successful at syracuse

 

[anomander]

We are better now, but that's not saying a lot

 

[JKinPhilly]

stale movie references > ISIS rants

 

[upperdeck]

It would be interesting to see what would happen with a QB that could escape pressure , because there are some signs even with the oline issues they are actually run blocking better than when Dino go here.. But 5 yrs of not being to run on 4th and 1-2 is still killing drives. If we completed 3 QB sneaks this yr who knows what happens in 3 games.

 

[qdawgg]

I watched the 1st half of the game again last night. Our offense, especially the play calling was almost as terrible as when mcfunkit was here. The offense overall is really hard to watch so from just a watching the game perspective, I think we’re pretty even right now. Except when Shafer left I thought someone could come in and improve the program. Now I don’t know, so maybe we’re in worse shape.

* Offense played really well in spots. I really like watching Rex play; he sees the field so much better, makes good reads, and distributes the ball to a lot of different receivers. He just doesn’t have the physical talent to be the guy. But I enjoy watching him play so much more.

 

[Acesn8s]

I don't know if the program is in a better spot now or then, and isn't that the problem??? Dino is failing and its obvious. but I can say this this team this year would have not beaten any of Shaffer's teams IMO. Certainly not the 2013 team, they would have lost by double digits. 2014 team was horrible but I would take Hunt and long over our QB situation right now plus they had Ish and Gulley and a better O line. And in 2015 no way Dungey lets his team lose to this team no way no how.

 

[Alsacs]

Shafer should have never gotten the job.
The program is better off now but Babers has been disappointing for 2 years now.

Again Scott Shafer was a painter who was hired to be a architect.
Babers is an architect who has done a terrible job building the structure after giving you a good plan and making demands. He has performed awful at putting a solid foundation in.

He is better at the job than the painter trying to do it.

 

[Acesn8s]

Shafer should have never gotten the job.
The program is better off now but Babers has been disappointing for 2 years now.

Again Scott Shafer was a painter who was hired to be a architect.
Babers is an architect who has done a terrible job building the structure after giving you a good plan and making demands. He has performed awful at putting a solid foundation in.

He is better at the job than the painter trying to do it.

I do not disagree Babers is a better coach, but doesnt it make the current situation all that much worse? We are getting the same results with a coach who is better, then a coach who was in over his head. So it is not unreasonable to say that Shaffer got more with his limited coaching ability then Dino did with all his hype.