Is the proverbial shoe about to drop on college basketball royalty?

[cliftonparksufan]

So how many schools going to self impose for this year's tournament?

How many schools are setting up 8 am conference calls today to discuss this article?

 

[orangefog]

People wonder why we don't "go after" certain players. Particularly players in our backyard, like NYC. Or why we are in early but bow out. Be grateful our coaches know when to not go after a kid.

 

[Chip]

Thamel must have been so disappointed...

Furiously reading thru 4,000 pages of documentation. “They have to be in here somewhere!”

 

[Cuseball]

People wonder why we don't "go after" certain players. Particularly players in our backyard, like NYC. Or why we are in early but bow out. Be grateful our coaches know when to not go after a kid.

exactly right. so much criticism for not showing the love or not going hard enough. Coaches lazy..blah blah blah. I think the coaches might be a little smarter than most, including the critics without the inside scoop

Cuse!

 

[sherrillcuse]

I sure hope we can come out of this one clean.
Maybe having the NCAA raking us over the coals was actually not quite as bad in the end???

 

[jdubs30]

New Yahoo article out today.

Seems its more that ASM was paying kids to sign then after college, not paying them to go to Seton Hall, Maryland, etc. - is that still the schools fault?

 

[jdubs30]

Only worries are with CJ McCullough, possible concern with Rak

Edit. Taurean Thompson's recruitment was weird. Wouldn't be surprised if his family is caught up in the shenanigans

You mean Chris McCullough

Also, McCullough and Mali were top 20 kids - TT was only top 50 I believe? Don't think an agency is paying a kid who is not a burger boy or in the top 40.

 

[themorey]

It's time fir the NCAA to dust off the wheelhouse defense again.

 

[AZOrange]

Monte Morris...heh

 

[AZOrange]

This.

Is it likely some kids who played for us got money? Would not be surprised.

From us? No.

As a condition of coming here? No

As a reason to come here? No

Did our coaches take money to direct kids to a certain agent? No.

These agents have their hooks in these kids so early...and they are the best players. Hoops it's easy to see who the great ones are very early.

Was the NCAA going to declare Anthony Davis ineligible? Nerlens Noel?

It's in their best interest to turn a blind eye.

Think about this: If an agent fronts your family $ for whatever reason...there's not only an obligation to sign with him, but to do it as soon as possible.

I've alluded to this before, but agents can control a draft. Agent A has 24 clients in the NBA -- Including some good ones about to be free agents. Let's say the same agent has a kid in that year's draft.

If an NBA wants access to the FA, they might have to draft the agents player as a condition.

It's a dirty dirty game.

It’s dirty...and the coaches know what’s going on...

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[AZOrange]

This must be only part of the story. The book Richardson and Pitino stuff isn’t even in there. These are peanuts

 

[pfister1]

It did say not all documents were reviewed, but so far so good as you say.

I think the only way we get a sense of relief now, is going on the impressions of people like Jake, Dasher etc. that know people around the program and feel pretty strongly that we would not have engaged in the type of dealings that are receiving attention now.

I don't think those named in the documents that have been released so far are the total universe of people and schools that will be swept up into this. The article says they didn't get to look at all the documents, but beyond that if one agency was engaging in these types of tricks to get clients I would be stunned if there weren't others doing it as well.

 

[Jake]

This must be only part of the story. The book Richardson and Pitino stuff isn’t even in there. These are peanuts

I would title this one "Boom goes the M-80"...the "dynamite" still hasn't gone off.

 

[Fly Rodder]

"I had no idea this was going on": Every college coach who has a player named in these documents.

Edited to add: of course, this isn't the only agent who is doing this type of thing. But damn, they're not very smart. Let's have our illegal conspiracy in spreadsheets not encrypted. They probably weren't even password protected.

 

[StopCoolio]

My big takeaways from this are:
-That’s it? This is what’s going to blow the lid off of college basketball? Go read the Isiah Whitehead recruiting thread, like no one knew he was getting paid. The amounts of money are often comically small($70 for dinner with Miles Bridges parents!)and the schools are all going to act like it was the agent, like Chris Mack just did in his statement.

-The NCAA will probably hammer Seton Hall the small private school, while ignoring Michigan State, Maryland,NC State, Texas, etc., get the headline and be done with it.

-I wish I could have been in the room when Thamel and Forde couldn’t find Syracuse. “But they had a couple ASM guys! Should we even publish this?”

 

[Chip]

Stripping wins from Coach K might be the only thing that can unite this fiercely divided country.

 

[BuffOrange]

People wonder why we don't "go after" certain players. Particularly players in our backyard, like NYC. Or why we are in early but bow out. Be grateful our coaches know when to not go after a kid.

I'll wait for the punishments before I'm grateful tyvm.

 

[SUFan44]

Forde & Thamel involved. And no sign of Syracuse. Good first step.

Also, to piggyback on a few points — there are definitely schools at the mid-major level that have done things on a smaller scale. Not all these schools involved are P5.

Can name two off the top of my head that I know for a fact.

 

[tbonezone]

there's a great piece on PBS FRONTLINE about how in the wake of the 2008 financial meltdown the feds decide to go after a small family bank in chinatown called ABACUS .
acknowledging the fact they didn't cost FANNIE MAE a penny they seek prison sentences for the little guy while the fat cats who actually created the crisis walk away with just fines.

 

[Ryand877]

May be totally jumping the gun here, but any chance this could affect Carter's eligibility for Saturday against us? It says he is one of the current players mentioned in the documents.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Going guess JB has been one of the complainers.

 

[AZOrange]

Going guess JB has been one of the complainers.

Yeah this all starts to make sense now...

 

[Newhouser]

Don't see how the schools are going to get fried from what I can follow. If there isn't a direct tie to the money and the school I think all these schools throw their hands up and say "we didn't do it and how are we supposed to stop it". I think that is probably 50/50 on whether that is true. Some schools don't some if not most schools do cheat. We know it, the media knows it and the NCAA knows it, but if a school creating fake degrees so athletes can stay eligible to play isn't raising the ire of the public, I don't think 3 and 4 figure pay outs will either. What I think is good that the "lesser programs" like Wichita and seton Hall have had the curtain pulled back a little on how they are landing guys.

As someone posted earlier this isn't a bombshell - like steroids in baseball, we all know it's happening and deep down we don't care as long as we win.

 

[Jake]

Going guess JB has been one of the complainers.

I would DEFINITELY agree here.