Its east to blame the refs in this one

[RF2044]

and chris could have moved his feet better and not picked up his fourth foul 10 seconds into the second half..i mean i don't know

But that play highlights the disparity. He gets called for hip checking with his hands in the air, 40 feet from the basket. Touch foul, but okay.

Their players ride our hips defensively, with a scrub like Arcidiacano grabbing and in our players' shorts, but the refs let that happen, and then call OFFENSIVE FOULS on us coming around screens.

Call it both ways.

 

[Eagles20]

But that play highlights the disparity. He gets called for hip checking with his hands in the air, 40 feet from the basket. Touch foul, but okay.

Their players ride our hips defensively, with a scrub like Arcidiacano grabbing and in our players' shorts, but the refs let that happen, and then call OFFENSIVE FOULS on us coming around screens.

Call it both ways.

i agree they could have called more hand checks by villanova. I definitely do not disagree and said that in the chatroom while watching the game live. I did think tho that archi did a decent job using his body to not let cooney get by him coming off the screen. That play where cooney did get the ball and was called for pushing off should have been a foul call on Archi way before cooney received the ball. Chris was already beat by the villanova player when he was called for the foul.

 

[RF2044]

i agree they could have called more hand checks by villanova. I definitely do not disagree and said that in the chatroom while watching the game live. I did think tho that archi did a decent job using his body to not let cooney get by him coming off the screen. That play where cooney did get the ball and was called for pushing off should have been a foul call on Archi way before cooney received the ball. Chris was already beat by the villanova player when he was called for the foul.

It could / should have been called a foul on Arcidacano long before the off foul was called--but it wasn't. It was just one in a number of disparately officiated plays that were similar, but called differently throughout the game.

The crazy thing is, I'm generally the last one to complain about refs. They were just spectacularly poor today. Beyond poor--they were flat out biased, from beginning to end.

If an officiating crew in the NFL gave blatantly preferential treatment to one team, there would be riots in the streets. Games might have some variance from one crew to another in terms of how a game is called, but it is usually consistently applied [with some latitude for star players]. Players adjust, and you take it form there--but the game is called objectively. Ditto for baseball. Have you ever seen a group of umps call the game in a lopsided way for one team, while disadvantaging the other? The answer is no--because it never happens.

What we were subjected to today was a travesty.

 

[Eagles20]

It could / should have been called a foul on Arcidacano long before the off foul was called--but it wasn't. It was just one in a number of disparately officiated plays that were similar, but called differently throughout the game.

The crazy thing is, I'm generally the last one to complain about refs. They were just spectacularly poor today. Beyond poor--they were flat out biased, from beginning to end.

If an officiating crew in the NFL gave blatantly preferential treatment to one team, there would be riots in the streets. Games might have some variance from one crew to another in terms of how a game is called, but it is usually consistently applied [with some latitude for star players]. Players adjust, and you take it form there--but the game is called objectively. Ditto for baseball. Have you ever seen a group of umps call the game in a lopsided way for one team, while disadvantaging the other? The answer is no--because it never happens.

What we were subjected to today was a travesty.

i feel like certain pitchers get a bigger strike zone than others...like greg maddux for all those year getting 6 inches off the plate consistently.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

I'm sitting at 30th Street Station still stunned. The only game that I can recall being so shocked that we lost was vs Pitt when Paul Harris threw the inbounds to a Pitt player. Aside from losing I thought the kids played great. We're going to win our share of games in conference...

 

[NYCSUGrad]

i feel like certain pitchers get a bigger strike zone than others...like greg maddux for all those year getting 6 inches off the plate consistently.

I only watch the Mets but it's rare that a home plate umpire in the games I see varies from his strike/ball pattern. It may be a generous zone that favors the pitcher or one that favors the batter but almost invariably it's the same for both teams. If not the announcers wouldn't hesitate to call out the umps for it and it just doesn't happen on a regular basis like the bad reffing in college ball does. Do you deny that for decades Duke got blatantly favorable calls? Last season's game not withstanding, they've not been as successful with the flopping recently. Score one for the refs. Score negative for the BS we were subjected to today. They couldn't have pulled more for Nova if they had money riding on the game.

 

[bballbeadle]

After the game, I felt like JB felt

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Oh dear oh dear. That is one tired, sad sad man.

 

[Cowtown]

I'm sitting at 30th Street Station still stunned. The only game that I can recall being so shocked that we lost was vs Pitt when Paul Harris threw the inbounds to a Pitt player. Aside from losing I thought the kids played great. We're going to win our share of games in conference...

While I was making coffee this morning I found myself thinking about the NC State game last year ...

 

[tbonezone]

i'm trying in my mind to think back and remember a basketball game (*) we won when there were at least 14-20 posts about how the refs deliberately screwed the losing team and handed us the ball game. can't seem to conjure it. wonder why?

*(in football the pinstripe bowl salute certainly comes to mind)

 

[Cowtown]

I'd like to see the disqualification (foul out) rule replaced with a "penalty box" concept. if a guy fouls he has to leave the game for a specified period- say a minute and maybe two after a fifth foul. I hate players having to sit out for 8-10 minutes of a half because of foul trouble when so many fouls are inconsistently called. (You'd still have free throws.)

Failing that, how about giving each player an extra foul for overtime?

Are you suggesting that a player who fouls out in regulation time be allowed to return in the OT, and play until he picks up a 6th foul?

 

[SWC75]

Are you suggesting that a player who fouls out in regulation time be allowed to return in the OT, and play until he picks up a 6th foul?

Sure, why not? It's supposed to be a "brand new ball game".

 

[tbonezone]

sounds a bit like dodge ball?

 

[Cowtown]

Sure, why not? It's supposed to be a "brand new ball game".

Actually, no it isn't. The rule book specifically states that for purposes of administering fouls, all OT periods are an extension of the 2nd half. It's usually on the exam about every second year

 

[tipphill]

i was at the game although disappointed i felt that jb coached a pretty good game . roberson played very well and i thought i saw su finally getting some identity and passion . yes we were homered by the refs,especially at the end. i still feel better about team than i had.

 

[SWC75]

Actually, no it isn't. The rule book specifically states that for purposes of administering fouls, all OT periods are an extension of the 2nd half. It's usually on the exam about every second year

The first half is 20 minutes. The second half is 20 minutes. If you are extending the second half to 25 minutes it's no longer a"half". And you are now getting into NBA territory with a 45 minute game and they use 6 fouls.

 

[NKR1978]

Can someone who believes the refs did a fine job yesterday justify the following sequence:

Early second half, Cooney takes a jump shot and initiates contact with the defender. No foul called.

Later second half, the Nova offensive player initiates contact on a jump shot. This resulted in a foul called on Trevor.

The foul discrepancy was a joke. We aren't some west coast finesse. We have been near the top of the nation in steals the last 5 years. We play aggressive defense, of course we don't generally play the type of defense employed by the teams the dare referees to call the foul.

That defense should not be celebrated. The fact that a game in the 60's is now considered fairly high scoring is ruining the game. It's why no one outside of a core group of diehards care about college basketball until the Tournament.

Don't blame the teams for doing it because they generally get away with it, but the powers that run the sport are doing it a disservice. College football is exploding in popularity in an era of high powered offenses. But in spite of this, the NCAA is allowing these games to slow to a crawl with the longest shot clock in basketball and allowing these insanely aggressive defenses and block/charge rules that favor the defense.

It's depressing watching my favorite sport slide further into niche status.

 

[Flacusian]

Uh... no. That would be a West of time.

 

[tbonezone]

my crazy outside the box sunday morning thought .
what if the head coach could trade 1 foul for the possession arrow second half before a player fouls out?

(edit: this is a one time deal so coaches don't just keep swapping back and forth)

 

[Cowtown]

The first half is 20 minutes. The second half is 20 minutes. If you are extending the second half to 25 minutes it's no longer a"half". And you are now getting into NBA territory with a 45 minute game and they use 6 fouls.

So, you want to make a major rule change for something that rarely occurs?

 

[Cowtown]

my crazy outside the box sunday morning thought .
what if the head coach could trade 1 foul for the possession arrow second half before a player fouls out?

(edit: this is a one time deal so coaches don't just keep swapping back and forth)

 

[Cowtown]

why do you get an additional timeout when the overtime period starts in college basketball then? What's up with that. If you had none before overtime, why do they give you 1 to start overtime?

I ref in FIBA ball. You get 2 TO's in the 1st half, 3 in the 2nd; if you have 3 going into the last 2 min of the game, you lose one; and you get only one in OT regardless of how many you had going in. I'm not sure of the exact NCAA rule because I'm not going to shell out for a rule book I don't need. But I can tell you this: you'll never get coaches to give up the additional timeout in OT, nor the rollover from the first half. Never.

Here's something to think about: Why do televised games have different rules than non-televised? As in, "In televised games, the number of timeouts is controlled by the number of commercials stipulated in the media agreement."

http://www.ehow.com/list_6705811_college-basketball-timeout-rules.html

 

[SWC75]

So, you want to make a major rule change for something that rarely occurs?

Overtimes are not infrequent.

 

[orangefan13]

I like less timeouts, helps hard defense pay off. Can't remember the number of times we have had teams in a sideline trap and they are saved by a timeout.

 

[Cowtown]

Overtimes are not infrequent.

I looked for a stat on that, without success. I can say that if I do 120 games in a year, probably not more than 3 or 4 will go OT.

 

[Eagles20]

I ref in FIBA ball. You get 2 TO's in the 1st half, 3 in the 2nd; if you have 3 going into the last 2 min of the game, you lose one; and you get only one in OT regardless of how many you had going in. I'm not sure of the exact NCAA rule because I'm not going to shell out for a rule book I don't need. But I can tell you this: you'll never get coaches to give up the additional timeout in OT, nor the rollover from the first half. Never.

Here's something to think about: Why do televised games have different rules than non-televised? As in, "In televised games, the number of timeouts is controlled by the number of commercials stipulated in the media agreement."

http://www.ehow.com/list_6705811_college-basketball-timeout-rules.html

i took my post down, because when i re-read your post about extension of the second half you were referring to fouls. I need better reading comprehension at times. The college I worked at (d1) had non conference games that were not televised and still had the media time-outs. I wish they didn't have them, would have went quicker.