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It's showtime -- let the (NBA) games begin!

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Fireball Jr., Oct 25, 2016.

  1. OrangeDW

    OrangeDW All American

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    My top 8 in no particular order...
    Lebron
    Durant
    Westbrook
    Leonard
    Curry
    Harden
    Paul
    Davis

    I think I'd put Giannis 9th though. And rising. He'll be top 5 before long, at this rate.
     
  2. Melancer46

    Melancer46 All Conference

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    First batch of all-star voting is in and the resulting starting lineups would be:

    East:
    Kyrie
    D-Wade
    LeBron
    Giannis
    Kevin Love

    West:
    Steph
    Harden
    Durant
    Kawhi Leonard
    Zaza Pachulia
     
  3. OttoinGrotto

    OttoinGrotto 2016 Iggy Winner

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    I have disagreements.
     
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  4. Melancer46

    Melancer46 All Conference

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    You don't think Zaza should start?
     
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  5. Melancer46

    Melancer46 All Conference

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    I currently have:
    1. LeBron
    2. Durant
    3. Harden
    4. Westbrook
    5. Steph
    6. CP3
    7. Giannis
    8. Kawhi
    9. Unibrow
    10. Cousins
     
  6. Knicks411

    Knicks411 Hall of Fame

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    I think it's fair to say that a young guy (like Giannis) may be playing at the level of a top 6 or 7 player or whatever but you need to see it for longer before you put him in the true elite. Kinda like a baseball playing having a hot first half; need more evidence to know for sure it's real. (I don't have much doubt the guy is going to one of the best of the best, just saying)
     
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  7. Alsacs

    Alsacs Living Legend

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    I was looking at NBA draft boards and it insane how young these drafts are becoming.
    Outside of Grayson Allen Jr. and Jared Blossomgate-Sr.
    All the top 25 prospects are Fr. or Soph. with a few international kids.

    The NBA has a lot of talent but man they aren't getting much young talent from the draft ready to help the bad teams.
    I really wish more kids would stay in college and come into the league ready to play. However I don't blame them for wanting to get paid to develop.
     
  8. Alsacs

    Alsacs Living Legend

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    I don't think a majority NBA GMs would take the Greak Freak over Anthony Davis.
    Davis would be on the short list for first player after Lebron/Curry.
     
  9. Knicks411

    Knicks411 Hall of Fame

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    You'd need to be really scared of Davis getting hurt again I think to take Freak before him.
     
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  10. Cusefan0307

    Cusefan0307 Hall of Fame

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    I still would take Steph over anyone named Lebron. That guy is a winner and changes the game.

    I was listening to Tom Haberstroh and the main reason for the drop in production this year is he has the ball the 35th most in the NBA. That's crazy. He's sacrificed more than Klay and Draymond for Durant.

    Davis also needs to be at least 6th on that list. The team around him is awful. That's not his fault.
     
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  11. Melancer46

    Melancer46 All Conference

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    I think the injury history with Davis is enough to make up for any gap there might be between the two players. IMO, Giannis is a better defender than Davis, is probably as good or slightly worse in terms of scoring ability, and unlike Davis, doesn't have to rely on others to get him the ball.

    In terms of the numbers (categories where the player is better in red):

    Davis:
    27.5 PER
    56.9% TS%
    16.6% Rebound %
    11.5% Assist %
    1.9% STL%
    5.8% BLK%
    0.19 WS/48
    1.5 OBPM
    2.9 DBPM
    109 ORtg
    99 DRtg

    Giannis:
    28.8 PER
    61.5% TS%

    14.4% Rebound %
    28.6% Assist %
    2.7% STL%

    4.8% BLK%
    0.263 WS/48
    6.0 OBPM
    4.4 DBPM
    120 ORtg

    101 DRtg

    I get the argument that Davis' team is worse, but it's not as if the Bucks squad is anything special right now either. They have Giannis, Jabari (whose on/off splits suggest he's a marginal player at best right now), and then nothing that New Orleans doesn't have. And despite the lack of talent around Giannis right now, he has the team playing, based on the metrics, as one of the top 10 teams in the NBA while the Pelicans are in the bottom 10.

    In the very least, there's no logical argument to suggest Giannis isn't at least close to Davis right now, and his clean bill of health compared to Unibrow's injury history should be enough to make up any perceived difference IMO.
     
  12. OrangeDW

    OrangeDW All American

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    Cavs get Korver without giving up anything. How do they always get somebody that can help them without giving up anything? Golden State's bench is still trash. I think this makes Cleveland the favorites.
     
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  13. Fireball Jr.

    Fireball Jr. All Conference

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    David Griffin, bigger dealmaker that Trump.

    The Cavs will have to give up "something," not sure who/what that may be yet. They do have a $9.6 mill trade exception. And Mo Williams and Birdman's contracts. They'd gladly toss in Dunleavy, I'm sure.

    They still need a backup point guard, but in David Griffin I trust.

     
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  14. Knicks411

    Knicks411 Hall of Fame

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    Dunleavy and a first. The first isn't nothing. But they need to maximize their team now.
     
  15. Alsacs

    Alsacs Living Legend

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    Cleveland has Rajon Rondo post buyout written all over it. With all the shooting Cleveland has he is a good fit for the 2nd unit.
     
  16. OrangeDW

    OrangeDW All American

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    Right...so it's nothing to them. And Dunleavy is washed up.

    Not quite as bad as when they needed better rim protection, perimeter D, and shooting and got Mosgov, Shumpert, and Smith for Dion and a pack of franks. But it's close.
     
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    Fireball Jr. All Conference

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    Griffin supposedly working on a deal for pg, I'm torn on Rondo. He'd fill a need, but, man, what a handful. LeBron was high on Napier, maybe they'll go after him.

     
  18. Knicks411

    Knicks411 Hall of Fame

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    I think Rondo would be a terrible fit for them. He can't shoot and he needs the ball in his hands.
     
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  19. Fireball Jr.

    Fireball Jr. All Conference

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    I'd prefer to see the Cavs pass on Rondo, no doubt. Headache and, as you say, can't shoot. Chalmers is a possibility, but while he's a better shooter than Rondo (a lot of guards are), he's been out since injuring his Achilles last year and, when I watched him with LeBron, never seemed to come up big when they needed him.
     
  20. Knicks411

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    Lebron needs someone to yell at when things go wrong though. Chalmers was that guy in Miami.