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[HoustonCuse]

It is. But is is not fantasy speculation that right now, with Jesse and Braswell playing, we are better than we have been all year. Right now, this is the best we have played all year. I think it is a tougher bet that we wouldn't have been better if they played earlier than if they did.

I do agree we are playing better. But remember what JB says (and everyone hates), things look a lot better when shots are going in. BB is averaging 30 ppg over the last two! And everyone feels good about the team. That’s amazing.

Also people seem to have a very uneven view about player development. So JB had said Jesse wasn’t ready earlier in the year. Late in the year, he gets into games and is serviceable to good. The response to that is that Jesse has been this good all along and JB’s terrible coaching cost us wins because he didn’t want to play this kid. Instead of saying the staff stuck with the kid, they all worked hard and he is improving. And when JB saw that improvement was to a level where he could help the team, he put him into games and had positive results. That would be the definition of good coaching. Most of our fans want to say it is evidence of bad coaching. Some definite biases in the way the situation is being judged by fans here.

 

[Ceerqqq]

It is. But is is not fantasy speculation that right now, with Jesse and Braswell playing, we are better than we have been all year. Right now, this is the best we have played all year. I think it is a tougher bet that we wouldn't have been better if they played earlier than if they did.

Not sure why you're so invested in this. Jesse & Braswell are playing now, & playing rather well because Boeheim believes they are playing well enough in practice & in games to where he thinks they can help the team. Earlier in the year, he didn't believe that. But in spite of all the factors that are involved--that JB was a direct witness to--you conclude that he was just "bad coaching" earlier? smh

 

[JustPherU]

Is it different than most any job. If you come in thinking you know more without earning it you get smacked down. Being a sports writer doesnt mean you have to know sports.

Certainly doesn’t hurt, I mean could you imagine covering the Opera with zero knowledge of it?

 

[upperdeck]

Certainly doesn’t hurt, I mean could you imagine covering the Opera with zero knowledge of it?

nope. but that doesnt seem to stop most sport writers from getting the job to start with.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

they aren't in attack mode. They ask questions that fans want answers to. And JB refuses to ever admit he made mistakes. The other day he day he said that he always knew Braswell could be a good player? Really? How come you never played him? We might end up in the right place but Jb has not had a jb year coaching this team. Braswell, Edwards (Eddy) and Kadray should all have played more and we all know it. Or Woody. None of us like to be reminded of our errors. But it is part of why he earns what he earns for doing what he does for a living. Jb is nicer to the national press because he can't bully them. He can't deny them access. They don't care. Here, he is the only game in town.

Well, we know that 2 guys have or have had injury issues.
The reporter basically accused JB of knowingly and intentionally not playing a player who could help win

 

[orangepassion]

Link?

 

[Consigliere]

He respects the national media more. Jay Bilas might be the best color guy in the business. Greenburg is a two time coach of the year and a friend.

Two way street. I think the national media repsects him more than some of the local dot com guys or green horns who know they will get some notoriety if they set him off.

 

[JLine]

I do agree we are playing better. But remember what JB says (and everyone hates), things look a lot better when shots are going in. BB is averaging 30 ppg over the last two! And everyone feels good about the team. That’s amazing.

Also people seem to have a very uneven view about player development. So JB had said Jesse wasn’t ready earlier in the year. Late in the year, he gets into games and is serviceable to good. The response to that is that Jesse has been this good all along and JB’s terrible coaching cost us wins because he didn’t want to play this kid. Instead of saying the staff stuck with the kid, they all worked hard and he is improving. And when JB saw that improvement was to a level where he could help the team, he put him into games and had positive results. That would be the definition of good coaching. Most of our fans want to say it is evidence of bad coaching. Some definite biases in the way the situation is being judged by fans here.

Well said. That's what bothers me about this board when it comes to Jesse, and Kadary. They give no credit to the coaching staff for their improvement, and instead just say it's bad coaching they haven't been playing all along.

 

[Briancuse]

Certainly doesn’t hurt, I mean could you imagine covering the Opera with zero knowledge of it?

All you have to know is that when the fat lady sings it's over.

 

[malpearl31]

they aren't in attack mode. They ask questions that fans want answers to. And JB refuses to ever admit he made mistakes. The other day he day he said that he always knew Braswell could be a good player? Really? How come you never played him? We might end up in the right place but Jb has not had a jb year coaching this team. Braswell, Edwards (Eddy) and Kadray should all have played more and we all know it. Or Woody. None of us like to be reminded of our errors. But it is part of why he earns what he earns for doing what he does for a living. Jb is nicer to the national press because he can't bully them. He can't deny them access. They don't care. Here, he is the only game in town.

He’s a HOF’er, but we might be a 5 or 6 seed had he played those guys in December. I usually think he gets every win possible out of the talent he has, but this year you can make an argument we really underachieved due to poor coaching early.

With all due respect, the issue I have with the arguments highlighted above are this:

• Kadary did play in December! In fact, he averaged 29 minutes per game in the 6 games we played in the month of December!
• Jesse was never being counted on to play in December. As stated elsewhere, he arrived to the US / to campus late, had to quarantine for 14 days (no practice) when he got here... Jesse was waaay behind when the season started. For what it's worth, Frank and John Bol were both ahead of Jesse in the rotation in December. To say that JB "should have played Jesse in December" completely ignores the reality of how Covid affected the team this year.
• Braswell played some in December, but I think it's important to point out that: a) Braswell was 3-for-18 from the floor (and 0-for-12 from 3-pt range!) in December, and b) When Braswell struggled early, he was leapfrogged in the rotation by Woody, who played very well in the early part of the season.

Most people didn't expect us to be a 5 or 6 seed under perfect circumstances this season, so I think that criticizing JB's coaching for not hitting that mark when you factor in Sid's injury and the Covid start/stops is a bit unfair. And since Kadary did play in December, the argument essentially becomes "we might have been a 5 or 6 seed if JB had played Jesse and Robert more in December", and I just don't think that's a valid criticism, given the facts on the ground.

And that's not to say that JB is above criticism - it's more than fair to criticize him in general for having a short rotation, or for failing to play any of the 3 bigs (Jesse, Fank or John Bol) in the early-January collapse against Pitt. (Which is, to me, the biggest black mark on our resume right now.)

 

[chugg21]

With all due respect, the issue I have with the arguments highlighted above are this:

• Kadary did play in December! In fact, he averaged 29 minutes per game in the 6 games we played in the month of December!
• Jesse was never being counted on to play in December. As stated elsewhere, he arrived to the US / to campus late, had to quarantine for 14 days (no practice) when he got here... Jesse was waaay behind when the season started. For what it's worth, Frank and John Bol were both ahead of Jesse in the rotation in December. To say that JB "should have played Jesse in December" completely ignores the reality of how Covid affected the team this year.
• Braswell played some in December, but I think it's important to point out that: a) Braswell was 3-for-18 from the floor (and 0-for-12 from 3-pt range!) in December, and b) When Braswell struggled early, he was leapfrogged in the rotation by Woody, who played very well in the early part of the season.

Most people didn't expect us to be a 5 or 6 seed under perfect circumstances this season, so I think that criticizing JB's coaching for not hitting that mark when you factor in Sid's injury and the Covid start/stops is a bit unfair. And since Kadary did play in December, the argument essentially becomes "we might have been a 5 or 6 seed if JB had played Jesse and Robert more in December", and I just don't think that's a valid criticism, given the facts on the ground.

And that's not to say that JB is above criticism - it's more than fair to criticize him in general for having a short rotation, or for failing to play any of the 3 bigs (Jesse, Fank or John Bol) in the early-January collapse against Pitt. (Which is, to me, the biggest black mark on our resume right now.)

Need to recall that Buddy was out for half of those December games so a little iffy to make the mins Kadary rec'd in December a major point of an argument.

 

[BrookhavenCuse]

With all due respect, the issue I have with the arguments highlighted above are this:

• Kadary did play in December! In fact, he averaged 29 minutes per game in the 6 games we played in the month of December!
• Jesse was never being counted on to play in December. As stated elsewhere, he arrived to the US / to campus late, had to quarantine for 14 days (no practice) when he got here... Jesse was waaay behind when the season started. For what it's worth, Frank and John Bol were both ahead of Jesse in the rotation in December. To say that JB "should have played Jesse in December" completely ignores the reality of how Covid affected the team this year.
• Braswell played some in December, but I think it's important to point out that: a) Braswell was 3-for-18 from the floor (and 0-for-12 from 3-pt range!) in December, and b) When Braswell struggled early, he was leapfrogged in the rotation by Woody, who played very well in the early part of the season.

Most people didn't expect us to be a 5 or 6 seed under perfect circumstances this season, so I think that criticizing JB's coaching for not hitting that mark when you factor in Sid's injury and the Covid start/stops is a bit unfair. And since Kadary did play in December, the argument essentially becomes "we might have been a 5 or 6 seed if JB had played Jesse and Robert more in December", and I just don't think that's a valid criticism, given the facts on the ground.

And that's not to say that JB is above criticism - it's more than fair to criticize him in general for having a short rotation, or for failing to play any of the 3 bigs (Jesse, Fank or John Bol) in the early-January collapse against Pitt. (Which is, to me, the biggest black mark on our resume right now.)

With all due respect, the issue I have with the arguments highlighted above are this:

• Kadary did play in December! In fact, he averaged 29 minutes per game in the 6 games we played in the month of December!
• Jesse was never being counted on to play in December. As stated elsewhere, he arrived to the US / to campus late, had to quarantine for 14 days (no practice) when he got here... Jesse was waaay behind when the season started. For what it's worth, Frank and John Bol were both ahead of Jesse in the rotation in December. To say that JB "should have played Jesse in December" completely ignores the reality of how Covid affected the team this year.
• Braswell played some in December, but I think it's important to point out that: a) Braswell was 3-for-18 from the floor (and 0-for-12 from 3-pt range!) in December, and b) When Braswell struggled early, he was leapfrogged in the rotation by Woody, who played very well in the early part of the season.

Most people didn't expect us to be a 5 or 6 seed under perfect circumstances this season, so I think that criticizing JB's coaching for not hitting that mark when you factor in Sid's injury and the Covid start/stops is a bit unfair. And since Kadary did play in December, the argument essentially becomes "we might have been a 5 or 6 seed if JB had played Jesse and Robert more in December", and I just don't think that's a valid criticism, given the facts on the ground.

And that's not to say that JB is above criticism - it's more than fair to criticize him in general for having a short rotation, or for failing to play any of the 3 bigs (Jesse, Fank or John Bol) in the early-January collapse against Pitt. (Which is, to me, the biggest black mark on our resume right now.)

Well articulated, the facts speak for themselves which is tough for some to comprehend.

 

[dasher]

With all due respect, the issue I have with the arguments highlighted above are this:

• Kadary did play in December! In fact, he averaged 29 minutes per game in the 6 games we played in the month of December!
• Jesse was never being counted on to play in December. As stated elsewhere, he arrived to the US / to campus late, had to quarantine for 14 days (no practice) when he got here... Jesse was waaay behind when the season started. For what it's worth, Frank and John Bol were both ahead of Jesse in the rotation in December. To say that JB "should have played Jesse in December" completely ignores the reality of how Covid affected the team this year.
• Braswell played some in December, but I think it's important to point out that: a) Braswell was 3-for-18 from the floor (and 0-for-12 from 3-pt range!) in December, and b) When Braswell struggled early, he was leapfrogged in the rotation by Woody, who played very well in the early part of the season.

Most people didn't expect us to be a 5 or 6 seed under perfect circumstances this season, so I think that criticizing JB's coaching for not hitting that mark when you factor in Sid's injury and the Covid start/stops is a bit unfair. And since Kadary did play in December, the argument essentially becomes "we might have been a 5 or 6 seed if JB had played Jesse and Robert more in December", and I just don't think that's a valid criticism, given the facts on the ground.

And that's not to say that JB is above criticism - it's more than fair to criticize him in general for having a short rotation, or for failing to play any of the 3 bigs (Jesse, Fank or John Bol) in the early-January collapse against Pitt. (Which is, to me, the biggest black mark on our resume right now.)

Who didn't count on Jesse to play in Dec.? I expected that one of our young bigs would be playing. Jb told Waters before a game was played that Marek wouldn't p,lay 1 minute of time at the 5. Now, things happen. And we can make any excuse we want but Marek did play early in the year and he looked good. I guess you are willing to accept that all of a sudden Jesse and Bobby are capable of playing. That is okay. That is your right. I disagree.

 

[dasher]

Not sure why you're so invested in this. Jesse & Braswell are playing now, & playing rather well because Boeheim believes they are playing well enough in practice & in games to where he thinks they can help the team. Earlier in the year, he didn't believe that. But in spite of all the factors that are involved--that JB was a direct witness to--you conclude that he was just "bad coaching" earlier? smh

SMH all you want. The proof is in the pudding. You really want to shake your head, explain why Buddy played the 3 at the end of a one sided game instread of giving either Woody or Braswell some run. I'll just smh and wait for your non answer.

 

[Cusesky8214]

This is a stupid argument to still be having...we've gone over this a million times already and there's a small handful of people that feel one way and a large group that feels another way. but its selection Sunday everyone...let's bitch about this another time! This argument is going no where.

 

[GoSU96]

I do agree we are playing better. But remember what JB says (and everyone hates), things look a lot better when shots are going in. BB is averaging 30 ppg over the last two! And everyone feels good about the team. That’s amazing.

Also people seem to have a very uneven view about player development. So JB had said Jesse wasn’t ready earlier in the year. Late in the year, he gets into games and is serviceable to good. The response to that is that Jesse has been this good all along and JB’s terrible coaching cost us wins because he didn’t want to play this kid. Instead of saying the staff stuck with the kid, they all worked hard and he is improving. And when JB saw that improvement was to a level where he could help the team, he put him into games and had positive results. That would be the definition of good coaching. Most of our fans want to say it is evidence of bad coaching. Some definite biases in the way the situation is being judged by fans here.

Stop with that nonsense, there's no way Boeheim knows what he is doing.

 

[malpearl31]

Need to recall that Buddy was out for half of those December games so a little iffy to make the mins Kadary rec'd in December a major point of an argument.

I wasn’t the one making the argument that Kadary should have or shouldn’t have played more. I was simply pointing out that he played plenty in December, contrary to what someone else had suggested.

 

[dasher]

With all due respect, the issue I have with the arguments highlighted above are this:

• Kadary did play in December! In fact, he averaged 29 minutes per game in the 6 games we played in the month of December!
• Jesse was never being counted on to play in December. As stated elsewhere, he arrived to the US / to campus late, had to quarantine for 14 days (no practice) when he got here... Jesse was waaay behind when the season started. For what it's worth, Frank and John Bol were both ahead of Jesse in the rotation in December. To say that JB "should have played Jesse in December" completely ignores the reality of how Covid affected the team this year.
• Braswell played some in December, but I think it's important to point out that: a) Braswell was 3-for-18 from the floor (and 0-for-12 from 3-pt range!) in December, and b) When Braswell struggled early, he was leapfrogged in the rotation by Woody, who played very well in the early part of the season.

Most people didn't expect us to be a 5 or 6 seed under perfect circumstances this season, so I think that criticizing JB's coaching for not hitting that mark when you factor in Sid's injury and the Covid start/stops is a bit unfair. And since Kadary did play in December, the argument essentially becomes "we might have been a 5 or 6 seed if JB had played Jesse and Robert more in December", and I just don't think that's a valid criticism, given the facts on the ground.

And that's not to say that JB is above criticism - it's more than fair to criticize him in general for having a short rotation, or for failing to play any of the 3 bigs (Jesse, Fank or John Bol) in the early-January collapse against Pitt. (Which is, to me, the biggest black mark on our resume right now.)

I remember another kid that was about as bad as 0-12 to start and he never missed a turn in the rotation. And his only "skill" at the time was his shooting. Braswell helps in other areas besides his shot.

 

[DBCooper]

Great job by JB and the assistants in player development with Jesse and Robert this year!

 

[malpearl31]

Who didn't count on Jesse to play in Dec.? I expected that one of our young bigs would be playing. Jb told Waters before a game was played that Marek wouldn't p,lay 1 minute of time at the 5. Now, things happen. And we can make any excuse we want but Marek did play early in the year and he looked good. I guess you are willing to accept that all of a sudden Jesse and Bobby are capable of playing. That is okay. That is your right. I disagree.

I don’t think that JB was expecting Jesse to be able to contribute in December, due to his late arrival to campus. That was my point.

And as far as being “willing to accept that all of a sudden Jesse and Bobby are capable of playing”, I’m not sure what you mean by that. I’ve always liked Braswell, and I’ve always thought that JB should regularly go 8-9 guys deep instead of 6-7. But when Robert started the season 0-for-12 from deep, I understand why JB pulled back on his minutes. I don’t think it was coaching malpractice to do that.

 

[dasher]

I don’t think that JB was expecting Jesse to be able to contribute in December, due to his late arrival to campus. That was my point.

And as far as being “willing to accept that all of a sudden Jesse and Bobby are capable of playing”, I’m not sure what you mean by that. I’ve always liked Braswell, and I’ve always thought that JB should regularly go 8-9 guys deep instead of 6-7. But when Robert started the season 0-for-12 from deep, I understand why JB pulled back on his minutes. I don’t think it was coaching malpractice to do that.

Don't use that term responding to me. I have never used that term in my life. I said that it was an error to not play Jesse and Bobby earlier in the year. And as I said in another post, we have a player on this very team, that when he started playing was something like 0-12. And he didn't miss a turn. And he only at that time, had the one skill of shooting the ball. Bobby adds more than that. I have liked Bobby from the jump and am really worried that he is going to leave. As I said, we are the best team we have been all year. I think the playing of Jesse and Bobby has helped make that happen. Along with Buddy not missing a shot.

 

[malpearl31]

I remember another kid that was about as bad as 0-12 to start and he never missed a turn in the rotation. And his only "skill" at the time was his shooting. Braswell helps in other areas besides his shot.

Ah, yes. I assume you’re referring to a kid named Buddy, correct? A kid who started his college career in the starting lineup, but only went 1-for-10 in his first two games... prompting him to be removed as a starter... and then in the next 15 games he had multiple DNPs and played 6 minutes or less eight times in those 15 games... is that the kid you’re talking about that “never missed a turn in the rotation”? Or are you referring to somebody else?

 

[dasher]

Ah, yes. I assume you’re referring to a kid named Buddy, correct? A kid who started his college career in the starting lineup, but only went 1-for-10 in his first two games... prompting him to be removed as a starter... and then in the next 15 games he had multiple DNPs and played 6 minutes or less eight times in those 15 games... is that the kid you’re talking about that “never missed a turn in the rotation”? Or are you referring to somebody else?

That wasn't his only slump. And you know that. And that kid, whose name is Buddy, was a liability at every other aspect of basketball. Bobby isn't and wasn't. I really don't think you are going to argue that Buddy hasn't been allowed to shoot his way out of slumps. I'm still waiting on a answer from you guys why Buddy was in the game at the 3 late, in a one sided game.

 

[dasher]

Ah, yes. I assume you’re referring to a kid named Buddy, correct? A kid who started his college career in the starting lineup, but only went 1-for-10 in his first two games... prompting him to be removed as a starter... and then in the next 15 games he had multiple DNPs and played 6 minutes or less eight times in those 15 games... is that the kid you’re talking about that “never missed a turn in the rotation”? Or are you referring to somebody else?

Oh, and you are forcing me to be somewhat negative about a kid that I have been positive about than any poster on this board. Really, anyone short of the Boeheim family. I also defended Jb just two weeks ago when the board suggested it was time for grades. I said let's wait to see how the season ends before we do that. I will die on the hill that a main reason we are better is that we are playing those guys who didn't play. I will let you die on the hill that JB was correct and that they suddenly are able to help us.

 

[chugg21]

Seems odd that a bunch of people are seemingly taking a victory lap when we are squarely on the bubble of a 68 team tournament. Our expectations have went in the toilet if we are giving out kudos for a season like this. We are an ACC team with revenues and expenditures in the top 1% of all college basketball teams and are a national joke about being THE perennial bubble team.