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[malpearl31]

That wasn't his only slump. And you know that. And that kid, whose name is Buddy, was a liability at every other aspect of basketball. Bobby isn't and wasn't. I really don't think you are going to argue that Buddy hasn't been allowed to shoot his way out of slumps. I'm still waiting on a answer from you guys why Buddy was in the game at the 3 late, in a one sided game.

You said he never missed a turn in the rotation. Which isn’t true. But enjoy the rest of your Sunday, I have no interest in continuing this back and forth if it’s going to devolve into a rehashing of Buddy’s playing time 2 seasons ago.

 

[dasher]

You said he never missed a turn in the rotation. Which isn’t true. But enjoy the rest of your Sunday, I have no interest in continuing this back and forth if it’s going to devolve into a rehashing of Buddy’s playing time 2 seasons ago.

How about this, tell me why Buddy was playing the 3 at the end of the Va tecjh game instead of woody or Braswell. We had a big lead. What was the point of that? Then have a good day. Especially between 6 and 7. You also used the term coaching malpractice as if I said that. I didn't.

 

[UpstateSM]

If we didn’t have to pause after the UB game it seems fair to wonder if we would have hit this groove we found last week a month or so earlier.

I’m willing to admit that I probably underestimated the importance of court time and continuity for both players and coaches. We’ve played like the top 30 team we all expected the last two weeks.

 

[dasher]

Great job by JB and the assistants in player development with Jesse and Robert this year!

Welcome JB

 

[malpearl31]

How about this, tell me why Buddy was playing the 3 at the end of the Va tecjh game instead of woody or Braswell. We had a big lead. What was the point of that? Then have a good day. Especially between 6 and 7

I don’t really know why JB did that. (I don’t recall anyone specifically asking about it in the post-game presser.) And I certainly didn’t agree with it, I would have preferred Braswell in that spot, as I think he might be our best defensive forward in the zone.

I’m not sure why you’re coming at me so hard, I don’t think JB is above criticism - a point I made sure to make in my initial reply to you.

 

[DBCooper]

Welcome JB

Thanks, Oscar

 

[dasher]

Thanks, Oscar

I like to think I was a bit better at hoop than him. Of course I wasn't. But I like to think that.

 

[dasher]

I don’t really know why JB did that. (I don’t recall anyone specifically asking about it in the post-game presser.) And I certainly didn’t agree with it, I would have preferred Braswell in that spot, as I think he might be our best defensive forward in the zone.

I’m not sure why you’re coming at me so hard, I don’t think JB is above criticism - a point I made sure to make in my initial reply to you.

Sorry if I came out that way. Wasn't my intention at all. I like a good debate. That is all. Nothing personal at all. As I said, I am and have been the biggest Buddy supporter on this board. I have also liked what I have seen from Braswell and really want him to stay. And this was before the recent stretch of games. I'm worried about that. I think the kid is a winner.

 

[orangedave]

Seems odd that a bunch of people are seemingly taking a victory lap when we are squarely on the bubble of a 68 team tournament. Our expectations have went in the toilet if we are giving out kudos for a season like this. We are an ACC team with revenues and expenditures in the top 1% of all college basketball teams and are a national joke about being THE perennial bubble team.

The kudos are for the progress this team has made over the season, not for being on the bubble. Also all ACC teams have the revenues and expenditures you refer to and many are well below us in performance and results in most seasons. I follow many sports/basketball sites and your declaration of us as a national joke and THE perennial bubble team is a gross exaggeration designed to support your agenda.

 

[orangecuse]

Seems odd that a bunch of people are seemingly taking a victory lap when we are squarely on the bubble of a 68 team tournament. Our expectations have went in the toilet if we are giving out kudos for a season like this. We are an ACC team with revenues and expenditures in the top 1% of all college basketball teams and are a national joke about being THE perennial bubble team.

The ‘usual suspects’ (JB’s “ambassadors of Kwan”) are seemingly all good with this new normal of ours, a middling program, and one not ranked in the regular season come January since 2014.

 

[samspann1]

Why did Edwards play as much as he did (24 minutes) earlier this month against UNC?

 

[DBCooper]

The ‘usual suspects’ (JB’s “ambassadors of Kwan”) are seemingly all good with this new normal of ours, a middling program, and one not ranked in the regular season come January since 2014.

And then there are others who are not good being a perennial bubble team, but are still able to get enjoyment out of a season like this.

 

[orangecuse]

Why did Edwards play as much as he did (24 minutes) earlier this month against UNC?

The most telling remark after that game was what the Carolina bigs stated afterwards. That Edwards had a huge impact and how they couldn’t basically have their way inside as they do with MD in there...or along those lines.

 

[malpearl31]

Sorry if I came out that way. Wasn't my intention at all. I like a good debate. That is all. Nothing personal at all. As I said, I am and have been the biggest Buddy supporter on this board. I have also liked what I have seen from Braswell and really want him to stay. And this was before the recent stretch of games. I'm worried about that. I think the kid is a winner.

No worries, not personal for me either. I also love to talk SU hoops (but prefer doing it face-to-face with beer involved).

I will also be seriously bummed if Braswell leaves. But if Quincy and Marek both leave, I think that Braswell has a path to major minutes next year for SU. Going to a new coach / new program doesn't always mean more minutes... someone like Goodine is a good example of that not working out so well.

 

[twinight]

Seems odd that a bunch of people are seemingly taking a victory lap when we are squarely on the bubble of a 68 team tournament. Our expectations have went in the toilet if we are giving out kudos for a season like this. We are an ACC team with revenues and expenditures in the top 1% of all college basketball teams and are a national joke about being THE perennial bubble team.

Here are the teams ahead of us in BB expenditure and/or revenue:

Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Florida State, Alabama, TCU, UCLA, Indiana, and Marquette.

Perhaps that't not quite the telling metric you thought it was.

"national joke" -- Don't be so delicate. The "joke" is that no one wants to play Syracuse in March.

There's this infantile notion that for some reason we are owed one of the best basketball teams in the nation every year. The fact that we're in the top, probably, 5% of teams in the country over the past 30 years is seen as not good enough. It's strange.

We're in the conversation again this year, and likely in the tournament as well. That's more than 80% of the schools can say this year.

Do I wish we had a better record and were in more clearly? Sure. But I also know in the past decade we have a better record as a 10 and 11 seed in the tournament than we do as a 3-seed. So I don't really care all that much. SU basketball brings me a ton of joy. I don't get worked up about it.

 

[nyucuse]

Here are the teams ahead of us in BB expenditure and/or revenue:

Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Florida State, Alabama, TCU, UCLA, Indiana, and Marquette.

Perhaps that't not quite the telling metric you thought it was.

"national joke" -- Don't be so delicate. The "joke" is that no one wants to play Syracuse in March.

There's this infantile notion that for some reason we are owed one of the best basketball teams in the nation every year. The fact that we're in the top, probably, 5% of teams in the country over the past 30 years is seen as not good enough. It's strange.

We're in the conversation again this year, and likely in the tournament as well. That's more than 80% of the schools can say this year.

Do I wish we had a better record and were in more clearly? Sure. But I also know in the past decade we have a better record as a 10 and 11 seed in the tournament than we do as a 3-seed. So I don't really care all that much. SU basketball brings me a ton of joy. I don't get worked up about it.

TCU, Marquette? Guessing this is a one year outlier. On an annual basis I can't imagine there are more than a handful of programs that generate more revenue than Cuse.

 

[hoopsupstate]

No worries, not personal for me either. I also love to talk SU hoops (but prefer doing it face-to-face with beer involved).

I will also be seriously bummed if Braswell leaves. But if Quincy and Marek both leave, I think that Braswell has a path to major minutes next year for SU. Going to a new coach / new program doesn't always mean more minutes... someone like Goodine is a good example of that not working out so well.

We need at least one of Marek or Quincy to return. I don’t think three new starters on the front line is conducive to winning games early on next year.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Here are the teams ahead of us in BB expenditure and/or revenue:

Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Florida State, Alabama, TCU, UCLA, Indiana, and Marquette.

Perhaps that't not quite the telling metric you thought it was.

"national joke" -- Don't be so delicate. The "joke" is that no one wants to play Syracuse in March.

There's this infantile notion that for some reason we are owed one of the best basketball teams in the nation every year. The fact that we're in the top, probably, 5% of teams in the country over the past 30 years is seen as not good enough. It's strange.

We're in the conversation again this year, and likely in the tournament as well. That's more than 80% of the schools can say this year.

Do I wish we had a better record and were in more clearly? Sure. But I also know in the past decade we have a better record as a 10 and 11 seed in the tournament than we do as a 3-seed. So I don't really care all that much. SU basketball brings me a ton of joy. I don't get worked up about it.

The fact that we as SU fans have never seen a losing basketball season in almost 50 years, says all it needs to say.
I’ve had and still have my gripes w/ JB about certain aspects of his coaching philosophy, but that one indisputable fact always puts things in perspective. We have been spoiled- whether we want to admit it or not.

 

[ElwoodJBlues]

I think in the ACC, there’s a lot of talent and good coaching, which is why Cuse hasn’t been great in the league. When March turns around, a lot of the teams in the NCAA are missing one or both of those things. Also the quality of ACC day in and day out is second to none most years. That’s why Cuse has been so successful relative to other teams. The reffing is relatively high quality (that’s not saying much) and the environment tends to be higher pressure. Boeheim is one of the best at handling both.

Look at the sideline lunatics, they tend to not have a ton of success in the NCAAs.

The great mid-level conference teams aren’t in a position to be able to go through the ringer of consistently difficult games like the P5 teams do.

On the talent side, it’s pretty telling once you get into the tournament if your team is actually talented or if you just have players.

 

[chugg21]

The kudos are for the progress this team has made over the season, not for being on the bubble. Also all ACC teams have the revenues and expenditures you refer to and many are well below us in performance and results in most seasons. I follow many sports/basketball sites and your declaration of us as a national joke and THE perennial bubble team is a gross exaggeration designed to support your agenda.

Lol. My agenda. My agenda is to look at things without the orange glasses and uncompromising blind loyalty. We were top 8 in both categories in the entire country. Dont think I saw all of the ACC up there.

 

[All4SU]

So... I’ve scanned through three pages of posts. What did JB say on ESPN?

 

[chugg21]

Here are the teams ahead of us in BB expenditure and/or revenue:

Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Florida State, Alabama, TCU, UCLA, Indiana, and Marquette.

Perhaps that't not quite the telling metric you thought it was.

"national joke" -- Don't be so delicate. The "joke" is that no one wants to play Syracuse in March.

There's this infantile notion that for some reason we are owed one of the best basketball teams in the nation every year. The fact that we're in the top, probably, 5% of teams in the country over the past 30 years is seen as not good enough. It's strange.

We're in the conversation again this year, and likely in the tournament as well. That's more than 80% of the schools can say this year.

Do I wish we had a better record and were in more clearly? Sure. But I also know in the past decade we have a better record as a 10 and 11 seed in the tournament than we do as a 3-seed. So I don't really care all that much. SU basketball brings me a ton of joy. I don't get worked up about it.

Where'd you find those wonky numbers? According to Forbes we are 6th in revenue over the prior 3 years. Behind exactly who you would expect, our peers or what should be our peers. Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana, Duke, Kansas. That's it.

 

[supp]

Some of the local’s questions are full on attack mode. The 5’2” guy basically accused him of tanking the season by not playing Jesse. That’s why Jab was pissed.
He has allowed great access to players, himself and practices over the decades, yet he often gets treated very poorly at home. I am sure a grudge is still held b/c of the Post Standard investigation.

Hahahaha...what must he think of Keteyian and Wolff/Sports Illustrated? The simpler answer is almost always the right one. If he had to talk to the national media every couple of days, his douche-y side would eventually show itself to them as well.

 

[twinight]

Where'd you find those wonky numbers? According to Forbes we are 6th in revenue over the prior 3 years. Behind exactly who you would expect, our peers or what should be our peers. Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana, Duke, Kansas. That's it.

You can't even keep track of your own dumb argument. You said revenue AND expenses, so I included both (I just forgot Kansas). But go ahead, just include revenue. Your point is even worse that way.

 

[orangedave]

Where'd you find those wonky numbers? According to Forbes we are 6th in revenue over the prior 3 years. Behind exactly who you would expect, our peers or what should be our peers. Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana, Duke, Kansas. That's it.

How much of that is at least partially the result of seating capacity rather than quality of product?

• 1. Carrier Dome, Syracuse — 34,616 seats
• 2. Rupp Arena, Kentucky — 23,000 seats
• 3. KFC Yum! Center, Louisville — 22,090 seats
• 4. Dean Smith Center, North Carolina — 21,750 seats
• 5. Thompson-Boling Arena, Tennessee — 21,678 seats
• 6. Capital One Arena, Georgetown — 20,356 seats
• 7. Madison Square Garden, St. John's — 19,812 seats
• 8. PNC Arena, NC State — 19,722 seats
• 9. The Schottenstein Center, Ohio State — 19,500 seats