Jim Larranaga stepping down

[OttoinGrotto]

So does this old fan. Love the plantation throw in when it took me into my 30's to pay off college loans. These poor tortured student athletes.

Once again, your personal situation has no bearing on systemic decisions involving other people.

 

[orange79]

Omg ! I just noticed! Wtffffff orange79 did you do this?! I’m actually laughing out

I wish I could take credit, but I can't. I am but a lowly mod who doesn't have such powers.

 

[NKR1978]

yeah the system is so much more functional when 18 yo's have all the power - let me know how it works out

Coaches were allowed to leave in the shadiest ways. Edsall ditching his team at the Fiesta Bowl. Tommy Tuberville ditching his team at a recruiting event to take the Cincinnati job.

I think it's hilarious seeing a bunch of rich guys throw millions at college kids. And now the kids are so powerful they're driving the dinosaurs out of the business.

The kids getting paid aren't ruining the sport. The destruction of conferences and rivalries is what's ultimately going to kill the sport. But at the athletes who put their health and bodies on the line finally get a giant piece of the pie.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Coaches were allowed to leave in the shadiest ways. Edsall ditching his team at the Fiesta Bowl. Tommy Tuberville ditching his team at a recruiting event to take the Cincinnati job.

I think it's hilarious seeing a bunch of rich guys throw millions at college kids. And now the kids are so powerful they're driving the dinosaurs out of the business.

The kids getting paid aren't ruining the sport. The destruction of conferences and rivalries is what's ultimately going to kill the sport. But at the athletes who put their health and bodies on the line finally get a giant piece of the pie.

Remember not just that Brian Kelly killed a kid, but left an undefeated team before the bowl game!

 

[NKR1978]

So does this old fan. Love the plantation throw in when it took me into my 30's to pay off college loans. These poor tortured student athletes.

I paid off mine last year at 45. Sadly my abysmal D3 tennis career and mediocre genes didn't help, but I'm not going to be jealous of people who are supremely talented and earning money off that talent. And I'm certainly not going to begrudge the guys who aren't especially talented and part rich donors out of their cash.

 

[althea]

Are games still being played? Does each contest still end with a winner and a loser? Are tickets still sold to the games? Are games still televised?

Well I guess that settles it. All is good. Never mind.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Well I guess that settles it. All is good. Never mind.

If a claim of dysfunction is made, we should understand how the dysfunction is defined and measured.

 

[DoctahLexus]

So does this old fan. Love the plantation throw in when it took me into my 30's to pay off college loans. These poor tortured student athletes.

If you were doing something in undergrad that generated massive amounts of revenue for the school, maybe I would feel more sorry for you.

 

[capeorange]

Omg ! I just noticed! Wtffffff orange79 did you do this?! I’m actually laughing out

It looks like someone had too much eggnog...

 

[capeorange]

If a claim of dysfunction is made, we should understand how the dysfunction is defined and measured.

Well, I guess we should consult with Bulldong04 if we want to know how things are measured.

 

[OrangePA]

If you were doing something in undergrad that generated massive amounts of revenue for the school, maybe I would feel more sorry for you.

Were you at the same time receiving a free $75,000.00 education, times four or five, with room and board, coaching, training and healthcare?

Is that what you're talking about?

I just never viewed the scholarship players as being exploited.

 

[MikeSU02]

Were you at the same time receiving a free $75,000.00 education, times four or five, with room and board, coaching, training and healthcare?

Is that what you're talking about?

I just never viewed the scholarship players as being exploited.

This argument? Really?

Let me ask you this, if there was an open market when Melo was a high school senior, do you think he would have been offered money or just the items you listed?

You know the answer. You knew it back then and you know it now.

The NCAA (which = the schools) kept the system as is for a reason. It wasn’t because the actual value of a player of a certain caliber was compensated enough with covered tuition and a duplex on south and dining hall food.

All you have to do is ask if, back then, in an open market, would the players have gotten paid and we all know the answer, especially when they were being compensated under the table anyway.

 

[NKR1978]

Were you at the same time receiving a free $75,000.00 education, times four or five, with room and board, coaching, training and healthcare?

Is that what you're talking about?

I just never viewed the scholarship players as being exploited.

And that's all great, but it is exploitative. It's like reading about social media influencers going to restaurants and saying they should get free drinks for the "exposure." You can't feed your family with a free poli sci class.

Coaches work in bonuses based on the success of their teams. So a coach gets an extra $1M+ based on the sweat and blood and ice baths and torn ligaments and concussions...how is that not exploitative? Greg Schiano was making $2,000,000 + bonuses in 2010 when Eric LeGrand became paralyzed. I'd rather have the $2M than some nutrigrain bars and a few free classes.

Every argument against NIL or the players getting paid is based primarily on jealousy. People sound like Vivek crying about American culture that rewards the hard work and dedication that goes into high level athletic success.

 

[djcon57]

Were you at the same time receiving a free $75,000.00 education, times four or five, with room and board, coaching, training and healthcare?

Is that what you're talking about?

I just never viewed the scholarship players as being exploited.

The courts felt otherwise so that opinion doesn’t really matter anymore.

 

[NKR1978]

The courts felt otherwise so that opinion doesn’t really matter anymore.

A unanimous Supreme Court. The NCAA and universities were unconstitutionally limiting the ability for all student athletes to profit off their name, image and likeness. That's about as exploitive as it gets.

 

[djcon57]

If a claim of dysfunction is made, we should understand how the dysfunction is defined and measured.

Syracuse is bad so it’s bad.

However College football is good because McCord might be coming back with massive NIL so that’s ok.

 

[DoctahLexus]

This argument? Really?

Let me ask you this, if there was an open market when Melo was a high school senior, do you think he would have been offered money or just the items you listed?

You know the answer. You knew it back then and you know it now.

The NCAA (which = the schools) kept the system as is for a reason. It wasn’t because the actual value of a player of a certain caliber was compensated enough with covered tuition and a duplex on south and dining hall food.

All you have to do is ask if, back then, in an open market, would the players have gotten paid and we all know the answer, especially when they were being compensated under the table anyway.

And then look at the reality when Melo was playing. Forced to sleep in hotel lobbies when he was snowed in driving back to Syracuse by himself since he had about 12 bucks in his bank account. Trying to show his picture on magazine covers so they give him a room. Meanwhile cuse fans are buying thousands upon thousands of tickets just to see him play. Exploitation is not a strong enough word for what that was.

 

[NKR1978]

And then look at the reality when Melo was playing. Forced to sleep in hotel lobbies when he was snowed in driving back to Syracuse by himself since he had about 12 bucks in his bank account. Trying to show his picture on magazine covers so they give him a room. Meanwhile cuse fans are buying thousands upon thousands of tickets just to see him play. Exploitation is not a strong enough word for what that was.

And those "Carmelo" and "real men stay for 2" t-shirts that he didn't see a piece of. Third parties were making money marketing these kids, but they weren't exploited!

 

[DoctahLexus]

And those "Carmelo" and "real men stay for 2" t-shirts that he didn't see a piece of. Third parties were making money marketing these kids, but they weren't exploited!

But hey, he did not have to pay for the ice packs after games, so why would he complain??

 

[NKR1978]

But hey, he did not have to pay for the ice packs after games, so why would he complain??

Here's a free Nature Valley bar for your troubles.

 

[althea]

If a claim of dysfunction is made, we should understand how the dysfunction is defined and measured.

Let me put it this way. This will not end well for the private schools trying to compete with state sponsored athletic factories. But it’s kinda cool watching collectivists coming around to free enterprise.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Let me put it this way. This will not end well for the private schools trying to compete with state sponsored athletic factories. But it’s kinda cool watching collectivists coming around to free enterprise.

I think it's possible we're on a path toward the destruction of US higher education as we know it if schools begin paying players directly if it's any comfort to you.

 

[althea]

I think it's possible we're on a path toward the destruction of US higher education as we know it if schools begin paying players directly if it's any comfort to you.

You are correct about the ultimate fate of higher ed and I take no comfort in that.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You are correct about the ultimate fate of higher ed and I take no comfort in that.

Yeah. US higher education has flaws, some of them very obvious, but the professionalization of collegiate athletics isn't going to help solve those problems and is just going to accelerate the struggle.

 

[Dcuse]

If you were doing something in undergrad that generated massive amounts of revenue for the school, maybe I would feel more sorry for you.

I'd do the same thing I'm telling them to do...go pro.