Jim Larranaga stepping down

[cuseinseattle]

My only concern is 10-15 years down the road how many of these young men will be homeless or dead because of this wild west with no controls. Happy they are getting paid but more worried about their future.
Uncontrolled agents are a big problem in this present system.

That’s nonsense. The vast majority of players do not go on to professional sports. The chance for them to earn money off their fame is in college for that group. And they were denied it while coaches left them at the drop of a hat for a bigger bag. But it was never a problem when coaches left for a bigger bag, it’s only destroying college sports when players get a bag.

My brother never got a bag. Most coaches don't. Not every coach is coaching p4 as a head coach.

 

[SBU72]

On the surface, the NIL is deserving. But combine with the portal and it's miserable. Let's get some rules down. Only one free transfer per four years. Anything more than that, you have to sit out a year. Or maybe after freshman year, you have to sit out a year, but if you wait until after soph or junior, then you don't have to wait.

At least in the NBA, any drafted player is signed for three years or 3+1. It's not the ok corral.

I thought originally that was the rule, 1 transfer with no sit out then it's a years sit out after that. I know it changed but how/when did that happen? It use to be 1-n-done guys were mercenaries now it's everybody! Heck in the NBA, you sign a contract for a certain period of time, why can't colleges do the same? Even a minimum 2 yrs would make a big difference.

 

[miamicuse]

I thought originally that was the rule, 1 transfer with no sit out then it's a years sit out after that. I know it changed but how/when did that happen? It use to be 1-n-done guys were mercenaries now it's everybody! Heck in the NBA, you sign a contract for a certain period of time, why can't colleges do the same? Even a minimum 2 yrs would make a big difference.

because they are "students" so they can only make $ from NAME IMAGE LIKENESS, not being paid for their performance on the court. This way the illusion that they are students, and not being paid to play can be maintained for the NCAA administrators.

So this is like in the real world, you get hired and show up to work for say IBM, but IBM does not pay your wages at all, you are getting checks from LUIGI PIZZA and MIAMI JEEP with a silent nod from IBM. Your contracts with the pizza and jeep joints do not have any requirements regarding performances, or having to listen to coaches, or show up for practices or even games. You could be collecting checks and say you can't practice or play because there is a zit on your face, and you are free to transfer out whenever. Coaches no longer have control over the players except for playing time. You can't even demand your players to show up in shape as you do not control the check book.

If the school writes the check you can have contracts with terms like conditioning and performances, but when this happen the question is whether these are still students or employees. Note that this is only an issue with revenue generating sports, the other sports like badminton or curling or track & field they don't have this issue...

 

[CuseCPT]

To all the fire Red crew, in my opinion you have no clue what has occurred over the past 10 years on the Hill. Multifactorial. Red will stay the ship if allowed. Did TB or JL forget how to coach? No... See article

The Hurricanes are 4-8 this season and only 5-19 in their last 24 games, a stunning freefall for a program that went to the Final Four just two seasons ago. Injuries and roster turnover have taken a clear toll, and Larrañaga is one of many coaches who has expressed some level of frustration with the lack of regulation and transparency that comes with the Name, Image and Likeness era in college sports.



Larrañaga is the second prominent coach to step down unexpectedly this season in the Atlantic Coast Conference. Tony Bennett did the same at Virginia back in October, less than three weeks before the Cavaliers played their season-opener.



Bennett, when he stepped down, said NIL has simply changed the game for coaches and not in a good way.



“College athletics is not in a healthy spot. It’s not,” Bennett said in October. “And there needs to be change. It’s not going to go back. I think I was equipped to do the job here the old way — that’s who I am and that’s how it was.”



Larrañaga’s decision to step aside makes him the latest big-name veteran coach to leave the ACC in recent seasons, following the departures of some other giants within the sport — North Carolina’s Roy Williams in spring 2021, Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski a year later and Syracuse’s Jim Boeheim to end a 47-year tenure in 2023, and Bennett earlier this year.

There is no doubt things were easier for coaches when they were the only ones getting paid and free to take their services to a higher level program if they performed well. No argument there.

 

[CuseCPT]

Let me put it this way. This will not end well for the private schools trying to compete with state sponsored athletic factories. But it’s kinda cool watching collectivists coming around to free enterprise.

Also amusing watching people that "love free markets" complaining about how much athletes make.

 

[althea]

Also amusing watching people that "love free markets" complaining about how much athletes make.

If this was “free market” you would have a point, but it’s not.

 

[Hopkins16]

Someone mentioned that with college teams now having a GM, we may no longer see coaches lasting as long as Coach Boeheim, K, etc. That might actually be a good thing for coaches to be held accountable and not allow a program to go down hill because a "legendary" coach built the program or turned it around. Like all other regular jobs it will be "what have you done for me lately."

Another good point someone else mentioned is some rules regarding transferring/portaling. While kids getting paid might be a good thing, they should not be allowed to portal freely every year. Perhaps a rule of staying at a school for 2 years or sit out a year, or a 2 times transfer rule will help with roster stability. Fans including myself are turned off with the roster upheaval from year to year and find it hard to root and stay engaged with the team (especially when they suck like this current team of ours). We've had some bad teams the past few years but I watched every minute of every game and rooted and fanned out on each guy. Can't say the same this year and for future teams if things continue the way it is going.

 

[djcon57]

Another good point someone else mentioned is some rules regarding transferring/portaling. While kids getting paid might be a good thing, they should not be allowed to portal freely every year. Perhaps a rule of staying at a school for 2 years or sit out a year, or a 2 times transfer rule will help with roster stability.

sounds good. Will you be taking it up with the court?

 

[Hopkins16]

sounds good. Will you be taking it up with the court?

I've drafted a petition.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

My only concern is 10-15 years down the road how many of these young men will be homeless or dead because of this wild west with no controls.

No, you’re not.

 

[CuseCPT]

My only concern is 10-15 years down the road how many of these young men will be homeless or dead because of this wild west with no controls. Happy they are getting paid but more worried about their future.
Uncontrolled agents are a big problem in this present system.

The main difference is that now they will actually get a small slice of immense wealth they are creating for the coaches, schools, sporting goods stores, and sneaker executives, rather than "protecting" them by simply not allowing them to have money a hypothetical agent might take from them.

 

[djcon57]

I thought originally that was the rule, 1 transfer with no sit out then it's a years sit out after that. I know it changed but how/when did that happen? It use to be 1-n-done guys were mercenaries now it's everybody! Heck in the NBA, you sign a contract for a certain period of time, why can't colleges do the same? Even a minimum 2 yrs would make a big difference.

NCAA was sued and settled because they were gonna lose. No more penalty on transfers.

The NBA has an agreement with the players UNION.

I’m not saying this to be insulting, but a lot of the suggestions in this thread sound like children wanting Santa to be true.

It’s over.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Coaches were allowed to leave in the shadiest ways. Edsall ditching his team at the Fiesta Bowl. Tommy Tuberville ditching his team at a recruiting event to take the Cincinnati job.

I think it's hilarious seeing a bunch of rich guys throw millions at college kids. And now the kids are so powerful they're driving the dinosaurs out of the business.

The kids getting paid aren't ruining the sport. The destruction of conferences and rivalries is what's ultimately going to kill the sport. But at the athletes who put their health and bodies on the line finally get a giant piece of the pie.

the way the kids are being paid...wehre the funds are coming from is destructive af

IF the payments to athletes was coming from the revenues the sport generates...it would make so much more sense and be more sustainable...

as is, its going to create an even worse gap between haves and have nots than we've ever seen before...

this sport needs to hit rock bottom and hte problems need to become absolutely dire (and they will) before the necessary changes are made

all these og coaches just quitting mid season etc...should be enough of a red flag...but apparently its not

 

[CardiacCuse]

I wonder if we will eventually get to the point where the college is just the sponsor/brand of the team. Sure, one of the "perks" of playing for the Syracuse Football Team would be free tuition to the school -if you want it, but otherwise it's just run like a professional team in regards to contracts and compensation.

they need to just make it full blown, transparent pro bball...and forget the whole amateur ncaa going to class etc facade/charade at this point

and incorporate with the nba directly...imo...it will happen at some point...the end game

 

[hoopsupstate]

NCAA was sued and settled because they were gonna lose. No more penalty on transfers.

The NBA has an agreement with the players UNION.

I’m not saying this to be insulting, but a lot of the suggestions in this thread sound like children wanting Santa to be true.

It’s over.

No, you mean Santa’s not true!

 

[Fly Rodder]

The biggest reason there’s a clusterf@*# is because the NCAA invented the term student-athlete to not treat the players like the employees they were. It was always a house of cards and now they’re trying to square a circle to keep it from detonating the whole system.

 

[CardiacCuse]

The NIL is not the issue. Cap it at a certain dollar amount and schools can raise it. The problem is the transfer portal. That is why coaches are leaving. They have to re-recruit their entire team every year and most kids have parents telling them they are perfect and the players thinks they should play more and not be talked to in a certain way or held accountable. I honestly think when they started the portal they thought 20% of kids would want to leave and did not think it through. It is destroying the sport there is no question.

player accountability to team/coach/program has been 100% undermined...how can anyone "coach" in this era?

as such, most programs and teams are going to struggle in this era...even if you win, how good is the bball? and quality of play really?

with guys like jay wright, coach k, larranaga, bennett all quitting saying the same stuff...how can people not see what is happeneing? the reductionists who make it about fairness and equity and are happy players are getting paid now are missing the entire forest for the trees...

whats happening is that individual players are suckig the lifeblood out of the sport for short-term gain while damaging the long term viability of the product...its slash and burn agriculture

im not against player compensation but i am against destroying the sport so players can be compensated in a way that protects the NCAA budgets and bankrolls.

 

[Fly Rodder]

If this was “free market” you would have a point, but it’s not.

Explain how. Because it’s closer than most things considered a free market. It’s that labor has a huge advantage right now that grinds your gears. It’s ok to admit it.

 

[CardiacCuse]

NCAA was sued and settled because they were gonna lose. No more penalty on transfers.

The NBA has an agreement with the players UNION.

I’m not saying this to be insulting, but a lot of the suggestions in this thread sound like children wanting Santa to be true.

It’s over.

but cant schools still limit the methods and manner of payments?

arent there still rules about what NIL can and cannot be? as long as there are some rules, doesnt that mean that the rules could potentially be tweaked and improved?

for example, would it be possible for the ncaa to make a rule that schools and school employees cannot be involved in anything to do with NIL and that players themselves have to do it all by themselves without any help from the school?

or why couldnt there be a rule that every ncaa d1 scholarahsip gets the same payment from their school...and any money on top of that...has to be done independently outside of any connection to the school...to level the playing field, for example?

 

[Todd23]

Are games still being played? Does each contest still end with a winner and a loser? Are tickets still sold to the games? Are games still televised?

There might be tickets sold and games televised, but I can tell you that I'm watching/paying/consuming less.

 

[althea]

Explain how. Because it’s closer than most things considered a free market. It’s that labor has a huge advantage right now that grinds your gears. It’s ok to admit it.

I don’t mind the players getting paid. I am 100 pct for that. It’s the portal that’s ridiculous.
The market distortion is the state schools vs privates. Privates are going to be crushed.

 

[djcon57]

but cant schools still limit the methods and manner of payments?

arent there still rules about what NIL can and cannot be? as long as there are some rules, doesnt that mean that the rules could potentially be tweaked and improved?

for example, would it be possible for the ncaa to make a rule that schools and school employees cannot be involved in anything to do with NIL and that players themselves have to do it all by themselves without any help from the school?

or why couldnt there be a rule that every ncaa d1 scholarahsip gets the same payment from their school...and any money on top of that...has to be done independently outside of any connection to the school...to level the playing field, for example?

No. Certain states already took the ncaa to court for this. Tennessee specially.

NCAA can’t do anything

I wish the folks here would do some reading up on subject before making suggestions that literally can’t happen.

Judge hands NCAA another loss, says compensation rules likely violate antitrust law, harm athletes

A federal judge has barred the NCAA from enforcing its rules prohibiting name, image and likeness compensation from being used to recruit athletes.

apnews.com

 

[chuck]

the way the kids are being paid...wehre the funds are coming from is destructive af

IF the payments to athletes was coming from the revenues the sport generates...it would make so much more sense and be more sustainable...

as is, its going to create an even worse gap between haves and have nots than we've ever seen before...

this sport needs to hit rock bottom and hte problems need to become absolutely dire (and they will) before the necessary changes are made

all these og coaches just quitting mid season etc...should be enough of a red flag...but apparently its not

It's super destructive just because it's progressive dosent mean it's always good or a good idea.

 

[CardiacCuse]

No. Certain states already took the ncaa to court for this. Tennessee specially.

NCAA can’t do anything

I wish the folks here would do some reading up on subject before making suggestions that literally can’t happen.

Judge hands NCAA another loss, says compensation rules likely violate antitrust law, harm athletes

A federal judge has barred the NCAA from enforcing its rules prohibiting name, image and likeness compensation from being used to recruit athletes.

apnews.com

i refuse to beleive that there arent ANY rules at all about NIL. that cannot be true.

for example, doesnt the money have to be tied to name image or likeness?

for another example, how come there was that thing about intl players not being able to collect NIL?

youre saying the NCAA literally has zero say on player compensation?? i dont believe it.

For example, the NCAA recently changed the portal rules and windows.

Im not saying they have all the power...but it seems you are saying they have none??!

 

[djcon57]

i refuse to beleive that there arent ANY rules at all about NIL. that cannot be true.

for example, doesnt the money have to be tied to name image or likeness?

for another example, how come there was that thing about intl players not being able to collect NIL?

youre saying the NCAA literally has zero say on player compensation?? i dont believe it.

For example, the NCAA recently changed the portal rules and windows.

Im not saying they have all the power...but it seems you are saying they have none??!

Correct they have none. If they try to do anything extreme, they will be taken to court.

I guess changing portal windows is something? But any suggestions about limiting or capping NIL or limiting transfers are simply ignorant.

The only thing that would make a change is the schools could pay the players and the players would form a union. That’s about it