Jim Larranaga stepping down

[GHLF]

Those old guys loved the plantation system when they had all the power.

Hogwash, everybody right, at all levels, D1-3, education, personal empowerment, teamwork……. That is a big lump, no thanks while certainty acknowledging many wrinkles

 

[NKR1978]

Hogwash, everybody right, at all levels, D1-3, education, personal empowerment, teamwork……. That is a big lump, no thanks while certainty acknowledging many wrinkles

It was a plantation system where everyone except the athletes was profiting. That doesn't sound like empowerment to me. Now that everyone is empowered to earn a living, some little tyrant coaches who needed that plantation system and can't compete as well without it, quit.

 

[tptcuse]

Syracuse is bad so it’s bad.

However College football is good because McCord might be coming back with massive NIL so that’s ok.

Personally, I love double standards that help my favorite team...

 

[althea]

It was a plantation system where everyone except the athletes was profiting. That doesn't sound like empowerment to me. Now that everyone is empowered to earn a living, some little tyrant coaches who needed that plantation system and can't compete as well without it, quit.

Stop with this plantation nonsense. Were people exploited? Yes, just like in every institution, but no one was chained and everyone had a choice of whether or not to participate. The system needed changing but I doubt the education establishment is capable of fixing this. I think a good place to start is under the charter of college is for college students, but we shall see.

 

[phreddie]

Stop with this plantation nonsense. Were people exploited? Yes, just like in every institution, but no one was chained and everyone had a choice of whether or not to participate. The system needed changing but I doubt the education establishment is capable of fixing this. I think a good place to start is under the charter of college is for college students, but we shall see.

I wonder if we will eventually get to the point where the college is just the sponsor/brand of the team. Sure, one of the "perks" of playing for the Syracuse Football Team would be free tuition to the school -if you want it, but otherwise it's just run like a professional team in regards to contracts and compensation.

 

[baggerbob]

Hogwash, everybody right, at all levels, D1-3, education, personal empowerment, teamwork……. That is a big lump, no thanks while certainty acknowledging many wrinkles

My only concern is 10-15 years down the road how many of these young men will be homeless or dead because of this wild west with no controls. Happy they are getting paid but more worried about their future.
Uncontrolled agents are a big problem in this present system.

 

[ar inj]

It was a plantation system where everyone except the athletes was profiting. That doesn't sound like empowerment to me. Now that everyone is empowered to earn a living, some little tyrant coaches who needed that plantation system and can't compete as well without it, quit.

Wrong. They are not quitting because athletes are getting paid. They are leaving because of the unlimited transfer portal and the greed and lack of loyalty and commitment by the players, who are merely following the lead of college and league administrators.

 

[Sherman20]

Not too much of a surprise. They brought in a lot of talent and they stink.

College sports are truly a hot mess.

'Exhausted' Larranaga steps down as Miami coach

Jim Larranaga has stepped down as Miami's men's basketball coach, the school announced Thursday.

www.espn.com

 

[MSOrange]

Stop with this plantation nonsense. Were people exploited? Yes, just like in every institution, but no one was chained and everyone had a choice of whether or not to participate. The system needed changing but I doubt the education establishment is capable of fixing this. I think a good place to start is under the charter of college is for college students, but we shall see.

It's not often, or ever, that I remember saying this, but I agree althea . I'm not comfortable with the plantation comparison.

 

[GHLF]

My only concern is 10-15 years down the road how many of these young men will be homeless or dead because of this wild west with no controls. Happy they are getting paid but more worried about their future.
Uncontrolled agents are a big problem in this present system.

Agreed, I, am a purist. I can name so many student athletes at this institution who benefited greatly from a full scholarship. Tremendously successful because of their education. We, as a school at that time were very successful in both basketball and football. Mid to late 90s. Certainly, the student-athlete had to take advantage of an extremely rigorous schedule to navigate academics and athletics. However if done so it literarily propels you for so many amazing opportunities. Coach Fran Brown still knows this. I acknowledge many fall through the cracks, just like the regular student population. However, I am greatly concerned for the current student-athlete in relation to the ability to transfer, and potentially endure under hard circumstances to an even greater degree now, as the grass is definitely less green on the other side IMO, while also watching the select few players that get paid even at the p5 level. I am all for proper player compensation, however at what cost? At the expense of all of the other lower-level to mid-level players who will not get paid, they become influenced with delusions of grandeur while global academic sabotage occurs to a massive degree at an even greater level. That's enough, and I know what an amazing college degree and experience can do for the athlete and the student body.

 

[NKR1978]

Wrong. They are not quitting because athletes are getting paid. They are leaving because of the unlimited transfer portal and the greed and lack of loyalty and commitment by the players, who are merely following the lead of college and league administrators.

They're leaving because the athletes can do what they have been able to do forever. Larranaga was one of the better ones. He stayed at jobs for a long time. But so many other coaches pack up and leave at the drop of a hat. I don't recall coaches crying when they left for a bigger bag.

 

[chuck]

Do you think there are any " Old Dudes" who are the greatest coaches in the history of this game that WANT to get in next with this garbage system with no rules?

FACTS!!

 

[chuck]

This quote from Larranaga is just so unfortunate:

"What shocked me was after we made it to the Final Four, just 18 months ago, the very first time I met with the players, eight of them decided they were going to put their name in the portal and leave," Larrangaga said. "I said, 'Don't you like it here?' They said, 'No, I like it here, it's great.' But the opportunity to make money someplace else created a situation that you have to begin to ask yourself, as a coach, what is this all about? The answer is that it's become professional."

Yep this nonsense has ruined the sport. All the idiots pushing it obviously have never cared about the sport or are so young they don't even know what the sport is supposed to look like or be played like.

 

[chuck]

I mean you have guys jumping ship every year and playing at 4 or even 5 sum even 6 schools! Look at the box scores and the player stats and it will show u sum of these guys are just jumping ship for a bag not for the sport or team just for simple money grab.

 

[cuseinseattle]

The NIL is not the issue. Cap it at a certain dollar amount and schools can raise it. The problem is the transfer portal. That is why coaches are leaving. They have to re-recruit their entire team every year and most kids have parents telling them they are perfect and the players thinks they should play more and not be talked to in a certain way or held accountable. I honestly think when they started the portal they thought 20% of kids would want to leave and did not think it through. It is destroying the sport there is no question.

 

[cuseinseattle]

It was a plantation system where everyone except the athletes was profiting. That doesn't sound like empowerment to me. Now that everyone is empowered to earn a living, some little tyrant coaches who needed that plantation system and can't compete as well without it, quit.

So someone lives on the plantation for a year and then after wards makes millions of dollars a year. Sounds more like an internship at a fortune 500 company to me. My brother coached college basketball for 10 years and all of the people I met who coached were not wealthy people and were doing it because they loved basketball and teaching it to kids and helping them get better. The first handful of years you do it you make hardly anything.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The NIL is not the issue. Cap it at a certain dollar amount and schools can raise it. The problem is the transfer portal. That is why coaches are leaving. They have to re-recruit their entire team every year and most kids have parents telling them they are perfect and the players thinks they should play more and not be talked to in a certain way or held accountable. I honestly think when they started the portal they thought 20% of kids would want to leave and did not think it through. It is destroying the sport there is no question.

I have mixed feelings on the whole idea of having to rerecruit your team.

On one hand, that seems wise to do anyway.

On the other, coaches have gotten away for a long time pretty much lying to get players in, knowing once they're rostered it's tough for them to change their mind and leave.

 

[NKR1978]

So someone lives on the plantation for a year and then after wards makes millions of dollars a year. Sounds more like an internship at a fortune 500 company to me. My brother coached college basketball for 10 years and all of the people I met who coached were not wealthy people and were doing it because they loved basketball and teaching it to kids and helping them get better. The first handful of years you do it you make hardly anything.

That’s nonsense. The vast majority of players do not go on to professional sports. The chance for them to earn money off their fame is in college for that group. And they were denied it while coaches left them at the drop of a hat for a bigger bag. But it was never a problem when coaches left for a bigger bag, it’s only destroying college sports when players get a bag.

 

[NKR1978]

The NIL is not the issue. Cap it at a certain dollar amount and schools can raise it. The problem is the transfer portal. That is why coaches are leaving. They have to re-recruit their entire team every year and most kids have parents telling them they are perfect and the players thinks they should play more and not be talked to in a certain way or held accountable. I honestly think when they started the portal they thought 20% of kids would want to leave and did not think it through. It is destroying the sport there is no question.

How do you legally cap NIL when it’s been determined to be a constitutional right by the United States Supreme Court? You can’t legislate that away.

 

[djcon57]

The NIL is not the issue. Cap it at a certain dollar amount and schools can raise it.

Please explain in detail how you would propose to cap NIL

 

[djcon57]

How do you legally cap NIL when it’s been determined to be a constitutional right by the United States Supreme Court? You can’t legislate that away.

Some of the folks on the board simply don’t get it.

They continue to make suggestions that are equivalent to me suggesting Syracuse should start every game up 10-0.

Not based in reality at all

 

[NKR1978]

Some of the folks on the board simply don’t get it.

They continue to make suggestions that are equivalent to me suggesting Syracuse should start every game up 10-0.

Not based in reality at all

The only way this will come under any type of control is if the players unionized and agree to limits. But why should they? Why would anyone artificially reduce their earnings?

 

[djcon57]

The only way this will come under any type of control is if the players unionized and agree to limits. But why should they? Why would anyone artificially reduce their earnings?

I think some people think the NCAA can actually do something about this.

It’s too late. The court stepped in and made the decision for them.

This is what college sports is now and will continue to be. And, by all means, we can not like it, but doesn’t really matter

 

[NKR1978]

I mean you have guys jumping ship every year and playing at 4 or even 5 sum even 6 schools! Look at the box scores and the player stats and it will show u sum of these guys are just jumping ship for a bag not for the sport or team just for simple money grab.

Where was this pearl clutching when coaches were jumping ship every year? I’m not saying that this is you necessarily, but I’ve seen the argument that it’s OK when coaches do it because they have a family to feed. I wasn’t aware that college athletes spawn in a test tube or we’re just willed into the world without family or loved ones.

The ratings, especially on the football side, show that people don’t care about players jumping ship every year. If anything, NIL is making for more parity. We’re getting backups at Alabama and Georgia who are great for us, but unfortunately can’t get the playing time that they want at those schools. And now we have 10 wins.

 

[NKR1978]

I think some people think the NCAA can actually do something about this.

It’s too late. The court stepped in and made the decision for them.

This is what college sports is now and will continue to be. And, by all means, we can not like it, but doesn’t really matter

The NCAA had its chance and they dug their heels in and lost. They could’ve settled and had a regulated system and some measure of control. But they blew it.