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[Blanko97]

No. His role is to become the best player he can and to contribute how Red thinks he can best help the team, and the program. If he is not good enough now, his job is to get so much better that he forces his way onto the floor.

That’s fair, but that’s red’s decision not womacks team. Thats the whole point of this conversation

 

[CardiacCuse]

I’m not sure why anyone player on scholarship in a sport with only 13 would think they’re not subject to be called on. This is the world of free agency and a spot on a P4 roster is valuable

like I said, I would prefer a roster of players not redshirting

but the relationship the coach has with players and potential players needs to be carefully cultivated

reds been an exceptional recruiter relative to his results...precisely bc he cares about his players and does what is best for them

you are right. IF any redshirt player is necessary they are subject to being called upon. but i think in general you see things in a much more adversarial way than it would actually go down inside a given program.

what i would take issue with is if a redshirted player became needed midseason but the coach refused to activate him...tht would be too "player friendly" in my opinoon...but hopefully we dont have to witness that scenario

 

[OrangeFoo]

So how are we doing in KenPom? Did not playing womak drop us a few spots?

 

[Blanko97]

like I said, I would prefer a roster of players not redshirting

but the relationship the coach has with players and potential players needs to be carefully cultivated

reds been an exceptional recruiter relative to his results...precisely bc he cares about his players and does what is best for them

you are right. IF any redshirt player is necessary they are subject to being called upon. but i think in general you see things in a much more adversarial way than it would actually go down inside a given program.

what i would take issue with is if a redshirted player became needed midseason but the coach refused to activate him...tht would be too "player friendly" in my opinoon...but hopefully we dont have to witness that scenario

I think its less player friendly and more bending to their team. I doubt any player doesnt want to play if given the chance but if they're getting undue influence from their handlers who would be fighting against what red wants then thats where i draw the line

 

[Surfan06001]

So how are we doing in KenPom? Did not playing womak drop us a few spots?

In my Werebackametrics Cuse is number one

 

[Archbold44]

In my Werebackametrics Cuse is number one

Over UNC?

 

[Surfan06001]

Over UNC?

NUMBER ONE

 

[sufan59]

Bart Torvik Top 10 update for 11/13/2025 (Filtered out preseason data)
1. Gonzaga- 36th in offensive efficiency, 4th in defensive efficiency

They should be feeling really good because this data includes wins over Oklahoma and Creighton. Defense is legit.

2. Illinois- 3rd in offensive efficiency, 23rd in deficiency efficiency

Keeping that defense efficiency number in the top 30 will be key for the Illini to take the next step this season. They'll be good offensively.

3. Louisville- 4th in offensive efficiency, 29th in defensive efficiency

Same case with Illinois on the defensive side of the ball. Louisville put up 96 on Kentucky shooting 44.9% overall and 32.5% from 3 on 40 shot attempts.

4. Syracuse - 167th in offensive efficiency, 1st in defensive efficiency

I know Red did say we need our defensive play to get our offense going in the preseason. I'll be honest, when I saw the roster, I imagined that these efficiency rankings would be flipped. Defense through 2 games against Q4 competition is at historic levels. The offense simply needs to be better and I think it will. The defensive efficiency number is something to watch though. Our start to the season is very similar to a team we play in a week and a half that will be listed below.

5. Indiana- 2nd in offensive efficiency, 64th in defensive efficiency

Vibes are great in Bloomington. Indiana early looks like a contender in the Big 10 with its offensive play. The defense will ultimately determine how high the ceiling is for this team.

6. Duke- 42nd in offensive efficiency, 6th in defensive efficiency

Duke will be good and the ACC favorite in my opinion at this point in the season. Always trust a team where the defense is the focal point and they have a track record of it.

7. Vanderbilt- 1st in offensive efficiency, 80th in defensive efficiency

Vibes are great in Nashville. And same deal with Indiana, the defense will ultimately determine how high the ceiling is for this team.

8. Connecticut- 17th in offensive efficiency, 15th in defensive efficiency

Like us, haven't played anyone, that is changing very soon. They will be the favorite in the Big East. If they maintain these numbers of top 20 in both offensive and defensive efficiency against better competition, they will be looking at another great season.

9. Houston- 165th in offensive efficiency, 2nd in defensive efficiency

Very similar story to Syracuse so far. An interesting game coming up against Auburn on Sunday.

10. Clemson- 21st in offensive efficiency, 18th in defensive efficiency

Clemson has not played anyone yet, but they do play Georgetown on Saturday. Encouraging early numbers for the Tigers when the sentiment was that they would be taking a step back this season. If these efficiency numbers keep up on both sides of the ball as they play better and more talented teams that likely means wins and a for sure top half finish or maybe even contender in the ACC in March.

If spirits are still high after the Drexel and Monmouth games and a good week in Las Vegas, maybe I'll do this again.

 

[Knicks411]

It's difficult to know what really to make of the defensive numbers; they've played 2 (presumably) awful teams who couldn't make a shot against them. They're first in effective FG% defense in the country, at 27.3%, which is both 1) awesome and 2) completely unsustainable. Second place in the country is 35.8%; the difference between 1 and 2 is equivalent to the difference between 2 and 70. They've also forced a ton of turnovers, which is of course good and at least the number isn't obviously going to regress like the FG% will. (it'll probably regress)

One maybe under the radar thing that's good is only 25% of opponent FGA are 3's; good for 4th in the country. It's a team with pretty good size that has a good block rate so far, so if you can keep teams from getting 3's up and force them closer to the basket where the shot blockers are, that could be something that helps even as the other team inevitably starts making some shots.

But again, these teams are awful so far. And then they will go from that to maybe the best team in the country.

 

[GoSU96]

It's difficult to know what really to make of the defensive numbers; they've played 2 (presumably) awful teams who couldn't make a shot against them. They're first in effective FG% defense in the country, at 27.3%, which is both 1) awesome and 2) completely unsustainable. Second place in the country is 35.8%; the difference between 1 and 2 is equivalent to the difference between 2 and 70. They've also forced a ton of turnovers, which is of course good and at least the number isn't obviously going to regress like the FG% will. (it'll probably regress)

One maybe under the radar thing that's good is only 25% of opponent FGA are 3's; good for 4th in the country. It's a team with pretty good size that has a good block rate so far, so if you can keep teams from getting 3's up and force them closer to the basket where the shot blockers are, that could be something that helps even as the other team inevitably starts making some shots.

But again, these teams are awful so far. And then they will go from that to maybe the best team in the country.

Somebody needs to be first

 

[orangefog]

Somebody needs to be first