Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[LeMoyneCuse]

He would lose out on seven figures next year. That is monetary damages.

That’s a lawsuit against the NCAA, not an appeal to the NCAA.

 

[dasher]

And I’m just trying to get all of the reasons it might work early to nip the “the NCAA screwed us” narrative in the bud. It’s not personal.

well, you have come off way too strong. And I think you are right. But the people that disagree know that 1. the school did appeal and 2. as I have reported, at least one person, and I have to think it is more than that, think they are going to win. Why do they think that? I have no idea. But if we are turned down as we suppose they will, I don't believe anyone will have any reason to think we were screwed. McCord was screwed. But that was by Day 3 years ago.

 

[GoSU96]

Would you rather have a former person who actually worked at the NCAA as part of the appeal process than a lawyer from the Syracuse area who has no expertise in the matter? The ex employee would have intimate knowledge of what they look for and prior successful appeals.

SU has been unsuccessful with their eligibility appeals have they not?

They have an office in Overland Kansas and are the leaders in the field.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

well, you have come off way too strong. And I think you are right. But the people that disagree know that 1. the school did appeal and 2. as I have reported, at least one person, and I have to think it is more than that, think they are going to win. Why do they think that? I have no idea. But if we are turned out as we suppose they will, I don't believe anyone will have any reason to think we were screwed. McCord was screwed. But that was by Day 3 years ago.

Well, sorry, I guess?

But players going just above the eligibility threshold for decades, back to the days of it being 1 and burned. To argue this is some unique case, or that he got “screwed”is reactionary stuff that I find frustrating.

 

[dasher]

Well, sorry, I guess?

But players going just above the eligibility threshold for decades, back to the days of it being 1 and burned. To argue this is some unique case, or that he got “screwed”is reactionary stuff that I find frustrating.

I understand. They must have another case just like this one is my only guess. Otherwise...

 

[NKR1978]

Well, sorry, I guess?

But players going just above the eligibility threshold for decades, back to the days of it being 1 and burned. To argue this is some unique case, or that he got “screwed”is reactionary stuff that I find frustrating.

But the world is different now and athletes have a lot more power and the NCAA has been neutered by courts and legislatures basically saying they can't enforce their own rules. You go through the NCAA appeals process then if you don't like that you file suit in the Northern District of NY (more likely) or Onondaga Supreme (more friendly) and you hope for an injunction allowing Kyle (or Diego Pavia) to play. The NCAA is weak right now.

 

[JRHEETER]

 

[NKR1978]

They have an office in Overland Kansas and are the leaders in the field.

It's amazing to have this resource headquartered in Syracuse, and for fans with very strong opinions to be fairly ignorant as to how this game works.

 

[GoSU96]

It's amazing to have this resource headquartered in Syracuse, and for fans with very strong opinions to be fairly ignorant as to how this game works.

No acumen.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

But the world is different now and athletes have a lot more power and the NCAA has been neutered by courts and legislatures basically saying they can't enforce their own rules. You go through the NCAA appeals process then if you don't like that you file suit in the Northern District of NY (more likely) or Onondaga Supreme (more friendly) and you hope for an injunction allowing Kyle (or Diego Pavia) to play. The NCAA is weak right now.

I understand how the process works. Just a lot of “ifs” and “hopes” there.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

But the world is different now and athletes have a lot more power and the NCAA has been neutered by courts and legislatures basically saying they can't enforce their own rules. You go through the NCAA appeals process then if you don't like that you file suit in the Northern District of NY (more likely) or Onondaga Supreme (more friendly) and you hope for an injunction allowing Kyle (or Diego Pavia) to play. The NCAA is weak right now.

The Taulia appeal was less than a year ago and a very similar case. Have things changed that much since then?

In the end I think this will all but for not, as the NCAA is likely to go 5 to play 5. The 2024 class is the first one to not have the 5th year. So I expect the NCAA to make a decision sooner rather than later.

 

[David321]

Well, sorry, I guess?

But players going just above the eligibility threshold for decades, back to the days of it being 1 and burned. To argue this is some unique case, or that he got “screwed”is reactionary stuff that I find frustrating.

But it is unique as players have not been making over a million dollars for decades. You do realize the premise is NIL damages?

This is a brave new world and with it, new circumstances and all that comes with.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

No acumen.

I don't think it means what you think it means. That isn't a slight in any way.

As to this issue..

So explain how with this great resource we have had multiple sports face sanctions while other programs have worse offenses and get nothing.

And explain how we have had eligibility issues while other programs do not.

When it comes to the NCAA we get the short end of the stick on a consistent basis do we not?

 

[NKR1978]

I understand how the process works. Just a lot of “ifs” and “hopes” there.

That's the law. It's all ifs and hopes. I've represented clients at 35,000+ hearings in my career. I've won countless cases I shouldn't have and probably lost countless I should have won. It's cliche to say, but you really just never know what's going to happen. More likely than not we're going to lose because the rules seem fairly clear; but the NCAA has set some interesting precedents over the last couple of years. Cam Rising allowed to spend more time on a college campus than it takes to get an MD but Kyle plays mop up minutes in a blowout and you're confident that he has no chance? That's misplaced confidence.

 

[dasher]

I don't think it means what you think it means. That isn't a slight in any way.

As to this issue..

So explain how with this great resource we have had multiple sports face sanctions while other programs have worse offenses and get nothing.

And explain how we have had eligibility issues while other programs do not.

When it comes to the NCAA we get the short end of the stick on a consistent basis do we not?

Honestly, I think the reason is that time after time, we plead guilty and hope for fair play. That isn't on our lawyers. That is on us. I have some experience in the corporate world with dealing with Large law firms and this sort of thing. It depends on how badly your company wants to fight and how badly they just want it to go away. It seems like my school often just wants it to go away.

 

[orange79]

Good arguments on both sides throughout this thread. I have no inside information. If he leaves, thank you for making HCFB's first year a resounding success. If not, good luck and kill it in the League.

All I know is, until Kyle FING McCord states publicly he's not coming back...

 

[javadoc]

That’s a lawsuit against the NCAA, not an appeal to the NCAA.

I’m not invested in this debate but I wonder if the appeal is a precursor.

 

[dasher]

That's the law. It's all ifs and hopes. I've represented clients at 35,000+ hearings in my career. I've won countless cases I shouldn't have and probably lost countless I should have won. It's cliche to say, but you really just never know what's going to happen. More likely than not we're going to lose because the rules seem fairly clear; but the NCAA has set some interesting precedents over the last couple of years. Cam Rising allowed to spend more time on a college campus than it takes to get an MD but Kyle plays mop up minutes in a blowout and you're confident that he has no chance? That's misplaced confidence.

Funny but you remind me of two things in my past with a very large financial company I worked for. We were accused of something we were not at all "guilty" of. The Boston Herald and the Boston Globe raked us over the coals. We just took it instead of fighting it. Another time, a much smaller matter, we were kind of guilty of, no publicity, we fought and won.

 

[UnknownOrange]

this makes me want to watch my cousin vinny

Obviously it only takes you five minutes to make breakfast

 

[NKR1978]

Funny but you remind me of two things in my past with a very large financial company I worked for. We were accused of something we were not at all "guilty" of. The Boston Herald and the Boston Globe raked us over the coals. We just took it instead of fighting it. Another time, a much smaller matter, we were kind of guilty of, no publicity, we fought and won.

That's the law. You never know what a client is going to say. We don't really have discovery, so things kind of pop at during testimony that blow things up one way or another. I had a big case a couple weeks ago I'd have bet my life I was going to lose. The defense witnesses were both just so unlikable and obnoxious that it sounded like they were lying even though most of what they said was the truth. The judge did all my cross for me and found them incredible because of their attitude. The law is funny.

 

[dasher]

That's the law. You never know what a client is going to say. We don't really have discovery, so things kind of pop at during testimony that blow things up one way or another. I had a big case a couple weeks ago I'd have bet my life I was going to lose. The defense witnesses were both just so unlikable and obnoxious that it sounded like they were lying even though most of what they said was the truth. The judge did all my cross for me and found them incredible because of their attitude. The law is funny.

Were they Rutgers grads?

 

[JRHEETER]

But it is unique as players have not been making over a million dollars for decades. You do realize the premise is NIL damages?

This is a brave new world and with it, new circumstances and all that comes with.

NIL doesn’t pertain to him playing or not playing.

NIL is tied to their persona. It doesn’t matter IF they are playing or not.

So that reason isn’t valid.

NIL is their NAME, IMAGE and LIKENESS

McCord can still get NIL money whether he’s in school or not.

Anytime a celebrity gets an appearance fee that’s a NIL payment.

As we all know, NIL isn’t technically “pay for play” therefore the NIL argument is invalid

 

[MSOrange]

It's amazing to have this resource headquartered in Syracuse, and for fans with very strong opinions to be fairly ignorant as to how this game works.

Not sure I really understand your comment here. I used to live in Syracuse and now live in Overland Park, KS. So that makes me a super expert on this?

 

[dasher]

Not sure I really understand your comment here. I used to live in Syracuse and now live in Overland Park, KS. So that makes me a super expert on this?

I would hire you

 

[NKR1978]

Not sure I really understand your comment here. I used to live in Syracuse and now live in Overland Park, KS. So that makes me a super expert on this?

Yes.