Lemoyne loses by 41 to UConn

[Scooch]

Just trying to give you something to look forward to.

That program had a plan and stuck to it. Hurley's first two years stunk (3rd year impossible to really know with the covid) and he didn't get run off.

His first year stunk. Second year was a lot like SU's season last year (19-12). Third year he was in the tourney.

Red's not gonna get run off because that's not how JW operates. But this start is hella concerning.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Just trying to give you something to look forward to.

That program had a plan and stuck to it. Hurley's first two years stunk (3rd year impossible to really know with the covid) and he didn't get run off.

UConn fans wanted Hurley fired in year 2 as well. That said Syracuse is in a much better conference than UConn when Hurley first started. It should be easier to turn things around here.

 

[NKR1978]

Hurley's in his 7th year running that program. I would assume your post means have patience.

He beat us in his first year.

 

[NKR1978]

The back to back national champions uconn? The best team with the best coach ? That UConn? Yeah they are good

It's ok that we're not at the same level as UConn right now, but to be 40 points worse and to be at the level of a program in its first years as a D1 school is disconcerting.

If we're truly only 2 points better than Colgate and Lemoyne, then we might not hit double digit wins. I don't think we're that bad and think we have pieces, but if we are in single digits that's Robinson level bad.

 

[NKR1978]

I'm old enough to remember when people here said UConn's program was finished because they weren't in a P5 conference.

Those people were stupid as hell.

They did the brave thing and fired the alumni when it was obvious he couldn't get it done. They upset a lot of their basketball alumni in the process and immersed themselves in costly and ugly litigation to do it. And they hired a great coach outside the "family." There's no reason we can't do that. At least while the ACC exists we have more resources than they do.

 

[Newhouser]

It's not about wins and losses necessarily. It's about establishing identity and core concepts of what your program will be. Hurley had definitely established his style even when they were losing.

I'm sorry but so far Red has just talked about it. Nothing has been established other than bad defense and shot selection and that is not a core value in any winning program.

 

[Bayside44]

He beat us in his first year.

Yeah he coached that one like his life depended on it. Our guy look inconvenienced.

 

[Bayside44]

UConn fans wanted Hurley fired in year 2 as well. That said Syracuse is in a much better conference than UConn when Hurley first started. It should be easier to turn things around here.

That's sort of the point I am wanting to happen.

 

[Scooch]

They did the brave thing and fired the alumni when it was obvious he couldn't get it done. They upset a lot of their basketball alumni in the process and immersed themselves in costly and ugly litigation to do it. And they hired a great coach outside the "family." There's no reason we can't do that. At least while the ACC exists we have more resources than they do.

To be clear, I'm not saying we should fire Autry. He'll get this year, and likely next. Then we'll see.

I just find the "guys, we lost to teams like these under Boeheim" argument really unpersuasive.

What worries me is that neither LeMoyne nor Colgate played particularly great against us. Their shooting was pedestrian and they got outrebounded. When we lost to Colgate in JB's last year they made NINETEEN 3s at a 49% clip.

I'm hoping these were the two worst games we'll play this season and it's onward and upwards from here. But there's no defending how awful everything has looked to start this year.

 

[Millhouse]

They stayed in house with Ollie (won it all) and then moved on to the real successor

We will still have the dome. And the next coach will get huge crowds because everyone got to take a nice break from trudging up the hill a hundred times

It's so obvious to me that autry won't last I don't even worry about it

 

[sabach]

I watched a little bit of it. Lemoyne was able to beat their guys off the dribble too. The difference was, they rotated with sound help defense. Yukon had three or four bigs who were willing to slide over and contest the layup. They were quicker and more athletic than our big guys and made it look easy. The other thing they did was switch on screens. It allowed someone to always be in front of their player rather than chasing him. But again, they have the athletes to do it, and it’s easier to do if you have a rim protector.

also, Lemoyne missed a lot of the open threes they made against us. Yukon frustrated them and took them out of the game mentally which we weren’t able to do.

but watching this, it made it very apparent just how bad our help defense really is, and our defensive scheme in general. Freeman, Lumpkin, and Davis in 76 minutes yesterday, had a total of one foul. No aggression. No one even tries to rotate. How can it be possible that we have three bigs (two of them veterans), who have no instinct on how to rotate or have never been expected to do it?

if we can’t get this figured out, we are going to have to play zone and live and die by three-point shooting. Texas, Tennessee will score 100, all at the rim if we don’t.

I am not sure we played help side against Colgate. I saw very little if any slide overs. It looked to me like everyone was guarding their man at the perimeter and purposely leaving the lane open for fear of allowing drive and kick outs for threes when the defense collapsed on dribble penetration. But that style only works if our guards can defend against dribble penetration which we certainly could not do against number 3 on Tuesday.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

uconn plays d. Uconn finished the game out as well. It was 20pt or so game mid 2nd half and Uconn continued the push to 40 long after Lemoyne had quit.

Those are rough words saying LeMoyne quit. Yukon was just so much bigger, stronger, faster, even their subs. Doesn't help that two of LeMoyne's best are on the shelf.

Hurley must have took Yukon -38.

 

[jncuse]

I'm not too worried about comparing us to UConn. UConn is well above us.

That being said, as I noted elsewhere its the fact that the average P4 team is winning the lower half Q4 games (like Lemoyne) right now by 27 points. That is more concerning since we are so far behind what others more in our realm have been doing in 2 games.

Most teams are dealing with change just like us. I'm sure there will always be a handful that figure it out later (or some that peak too early) - let's hope we are one of the minority exceptions.

 

[PoppyHart]

UCONN has a lot more to play for these days. They are on the cusp of being in the discussion for maybe being considered a potential blueblood one day.

 

[CuseCPT]

I'm not too worried about comparing us to UConn. UConn is well above us.

If that's the way things are for much longer I'll not be renewing my season tickets and frankly stop caring about the program that much.

 

[two3zone]

I watched a little bit of it. Lemoyne was able to beat their guys off the dribble too. The difference was, they rotated with sound help defense. Yukon had three or four bigs who were willing to slide over and contest the layup. They were quicker and more athletic than our big guys and made it look easy. The other thing they did was switch on screens. It allowed someone to always be in front of their player rather than chasing him. But again, they have the athletes to do it, and it’s easier to do if you have a rim protector.

also, Lemoyne missed a lot of the open threes they made against us. Yukon frustrated them and took them out of the game mentally which we weren’t able to do.

but watching this, it made it very apparent just how bad our help defense really is, and our defensive scheme in general. Freeman, Lumpkin, and Davis in 76 minutes yesterday, had a total of one foul. No aggression. No one even tries to rotate. How can it be possible that we have three bigs (two of them veterans), who have no instinct on how to rotate or have never been expected to do it?

if we can’t get this figured out, we are going to have to play zone and live and die by three-point shooting. Texas, Tennessee will score 100, all at the rim if we don’t.

41

 

[two3zone]

Yeah he coached that one like his life depended on it. Our guy look inconvenienced.

That's a problem right?

 

[two3zone]

Remember all of the AAC jokes about a decade ago and they'd be derelgated to club basketball?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Remember all of the AAC jokes about a decade ago and they'd be derelgated to club basketball?

We have to prove something on the gridiron.

 

[CuseCPT]

Remember all of the AAC jokes about a decade ago and they'd be derelgated to club basketball?

Yup, they were going to fade into Bolivian.

 

[SWC75]

This comparison shouldn't be about point differential or UConn being back to back champions. They have a bunch of new pieces as well, and the way SU and UConn played on defense says a lot about coaching. When you have an SU team that doesn't even try to get back on D and the coaches are just as apathetic, well... that's something that shouldn't even happen at the modified or JV level. It seems to explain a lot about the team.

Red didn't look apathetic at the news conference.

 

[oldpinepoint]

UCONN has a lot more to play for these days. They are on the cusp of being in the discussion for maybe being considered a potential blueblood one day.

I would consider them a blue blood now.