Lemoyne loses by 41 to UConn

[Idiocuse22&]

I watched a little bit of it. Lemoyne was able to beat their guys off the dribble too. The difference was, they rotated with sound help defense. Yukon had three or four bigs who were willing to slide over and contest the layup. They were quicker and more athletic than our big guys and made it look easy. The other thing they did was switch on screens. It allowed someone to always be in front of their player rather than chasing him. But again, they have the athletes to do it, and it’s easier to do if you have a rim protector.

also, Lemoyne missed a lot of the open threes they made against us. Yukon frustrated them and took them out of the game mentally which we weren’t able to do.

but watching this, it made it very apparent just how bad our help defense really is, and our defensive scheme in general. Freeman, Lumpkin, and Davis in 76 minutes yesterday, had a total of one foul. No aggression. No one even tries to rotate. How can it be possible that we have three bigs (two of them veterans), who have no instinct on how to rotate or have never been expected to do it?

if we can’t get this figured out, we are going to have to play zone and live and die by three-point shooting. Texas, Tennessee will score 100, all at the rim if we don’t.

Wow! 1 foul! Thats surprising and a horrible sign. Sometimes you suck on defense and end up fouling bc at least you had effort.
Terrible Def and a lack of fouls is a Red Flag.

 

[SWC75]

I didn't presume that at all. I'm sure Red wants to win more than anyone. Most coaches do, but wanting to win and doing what is necessary to put your team in a position to win are universes apart.

I'll be thrilled if Red brings this group together and they keep improving. As I noted elsewhere, some groups just take longer to gel. It's not like these guys just forgot how to get back on D. The pieces are there... but so are some very alarming signs. And it's okay to talk about those signs.

I have many of the same concerns and, as I demonstrated, I have expressed them,

Had you not described the coaches as apathetic, I would not have commented at all.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

So far after 2 whole games against small schools in our own backyard, that literally circle the game against us as the most important, we have looked absolutely terrible.
Scary bad, unbelievable and not the Syracuse team Ive known through ups and downs for 40plus years.
I witnessed a recent practice that was supposed to end at 5:30, lets just say it didnt and went longer in minutes than Eddies number. Why? Bc they were running a scrimmage-like drill focusing on rebounding, fast breaks and mostly defense including communication, shifts, help and switches. It was intense, all coaches very much involved. When a mistake was made everyone in the building knew about it. Noone was leaving until they got "it" right.
Two glaring weaknesses so far...Defense and fast breaks and they seem to focus on that.
Last year the roster was a mess.
This year the roster has all the pieces needed to be successful but to me it is a complicated puzzle. To the coaches it seems to be a complicated puzzle. Time will tell. Time is needed. How much time will determine how successful we will be.
If we have an unsuccessful year (missing tourney) it wont be bc of a lack of talent or from a lack of effort or incompetence from the coaches. It will be because of that time and team chemistry etc...do we have an alpha? ...Do we have a leader? ..Do we have the players willing to play their roles?...Is someone capable to take over in crunch time?...Do we have bench players to insert for a defensive and offensive spark? I believe strongly we do... how long until it all comes together?

Our coaches know what our weaknesses are, they know how to coach...how well is up for debate...but at some point the players gotta figure it out and produce...
I think everyone will figure it out in time to have a successful year.

 

[Sherman20]

It's not about wins and losses necessarily. It's about establishing identity and core concepts of what your program will be. Hurley had definitely established his style even when they were losing.

I'm sorry but so far Red has just talked about it. Nothing has been established other than bad defense and shot selection and that is not a core value in any winning program.

Huh? What did Hurley establish his first two seasons? I guess toughness and stout defense but they were still bad his first two years, even on defense. And UConn had no offensive identity to speak of Hurley’s first 3-4 years. Until he finally started listening to Luke Murray about implementing modern offensive concepts. Red has been on the job for one season. Let’s give him some time.

 

[Newhouser]

Huh? What did Hurley establish his first two seasons? I guess toughness and stout defense but they were still bad his first two years, even on defense. And UConn had no offensive identity to speak of Hurley’s first 3-4 years. Until he finally started listening to Luke Murray about implementing modern offensive concepts. Red has been on the job for one season. Let’s give him some time.

You are right he's a fraud.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Huh? What did Hurley establish his first two seasons? I guess toughness and stout defense but they were still bad his first two years, even on defense. And UConn had no offensive identity to speak of Hurley’s first 3-4 years. Until he finally started listening to Luke Murray about implementing modern offensive concepts. Red has been on the job for one season. Let’s give him some time.

This was also pre-portal, so Hurley had the opportunity for greater retention, consistency, and less of a chance of driving away some of his student athletes with his antics. He could build a foundation in a way that's no longer a given for Red.

 

[Dinkyspond]

forget UConn, LeMoyne lost to Cal State Northridge by 22 points 97-75.

at home at LeyMoyne to boot

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’m not saying Red is going to succeed by any means, but those first UConn years with Hurley were rough. I spent a lot of time on the BY back then and a large contingent 100% wanted him gone and weren’t sold on him until 2 years ago when he won his first title. Thats how long it took him to win a tournament game. 5 years. Something tells me we won’t be that patient.

 

[TexanMark]

We have to prove something on the gridiron.

Yup...for my sanity we need to win on Nov 23rd by at least 17 points

 

[TexanMark]

"That UConn." Is that the same school that not too long ago was considered a peer school? And, a school by many here, to be below our stature? Not to mention, even a shorter time ago, the know it alls here laughing about UConn's plight, and stooping to such low standards in hiring the likes of Danny Hurley. That UConn?

Not sure anyone thought hiring Hurley was below standards. Most thought he was a jerk but got his players coached up.

 

[AZOrange]

I’m not saying Red is going to succeed by any means, but those first UConn years with Hurley were rough. I spent a lot of time on the BY back then and a large contingent 100% wanted him gone and weren’t sold on him until 2 years ago when he won his first title. Thats how long it took him to win a tournament game. 5 years. Something tells me we won’t be that patient.

He coached one of the worst teams I have ever seen play d1 p5 hoops

 

[AlaskaSU]

UConn fans wanted Hurley fired in year 2 as well. That said Syracuse is in a much better conference than UConn when Hurley first started. It should be easier to turn things around here.

Despite helping us financially, being in the ACC hurts our basketball recruiting. We don't belong.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Despite helping us financially, being in the ACC hurts our basketball recruiting. We don't belong.

Stop posting this friggin myth dude. We have the 17th ranked recruiting class for next year as of today and it will likely go up after tonight. JB mailed it in for the 500th time.

 

[sufandu]

This was also pre-portal, so Hurley had the opportunity for greater retention, consistency, and less of a chance of driving away some of his student athletes with his antics. He could build a foundation in a way that's no longer a given for Red.

The portal is certainly a double edge sword. Before it, you had more opportunity to build continuity, but now you have the opportunity to make the roster your own faster. I wonder which environment Red would prefer.

 

[Millhouse]

Let’s pack it in for the season. No point in trying. Fire Red too for good measure

No no and fine

 

[Madbiker]

Hurley has a good system. He teaches it well. He gets his guys to buy in 100%. And he recruits very high end talent to play that system to perfection.

I have no idea yet what Red's system is. The only year we have to go by was last year and he had all kinds of trouble getting his guys to buy in. Several did not and so they're gone. He has a mixed record on recruiting so far in his quest to upgrade the talent. This season is not off to an encouraging start. IMO he'll get 3 seasons to show what he can do. Either he swims or sinks.

 

[SWC75]

So far after 2 whole games against small schools in our own backyard, that literally circle the game against us as the most important, we have looked absolutely terrible.
Scary bad, unbelievable and not the Syracuse team Ive known through ups and downs for 40plus years.
I witnessed a recent practice that was supposed to end at 5:30, lets just say it didnt and went longer in minutes than Eddies number. Why? Bc they were running a scrimmage-like drill focusing on rebounding, fast breaks and mostly defense including communication, shifts, help and switches. It was intense, all coaches very much involved. When a mistake was made everyone in the building knew about it. Noone was leaving until they got "it" right.
Two glaring weaknesses so far...Defense and fast breaks and they seem to focus on that.
Last year the roster was a mess.
This year the roster has all the pieces needed to be successful but to me it is a complicated puzzle. To the coaches it seems to be a complicated puzzle. Time will tell. Time is needed. How much time will determine how successful we will be.
If we have an unsuccessful year (missing tourney) it wont be bc of a lack of talent or from a lack of effort or incompetence from the coaches. It will be because of that time and team chemistry etc...do we have an alpha? ...Do we have a leader? ..Do we have the players willing to play their roles?...Is someone capable to take over in crunch time?...Do we have bench players to insert for a defensive and offensive spark? I believe strongly we do... how long until it all comes together?

Our coaches know what our weaknesses are, they know how to coach...how well is up for debate...but at some point the players gotta figure it out and produce...
I think everyone will figure it out in time to have a successful year.

If the coaches and players are trying their best and we still aren't a good team, that will tell us that we need different players or a different coaches or both. Let's see what happens.

As Red pointed out, the problem in the first game was we didn't stop the drives from the top of the key. That was not the problem in the second game. There it was not getting back on the fast break. So far it's whack-amole: solve one problem and another pops up.

Offensively, we are averaging 80ppg but are not playing well on offense. We are 12 for 45, (26.7%) from the arc, 24 for 39 from the line (61.5%) and have missed a bunch of lay-ups and jump hooks inside. We should be averaging 10-15 more points than we are and, if we did, we would not be having a melt down right now.

But we can't continue to perform at this level.

 

[two3zone]

If the coaches and players are trying their best and we still aren't a good team, that will tell us that we need different players or a different coaches or both. Let's see what happens.

As Red pointed out, the problem in the first game was we didn't stop the drives from the top of the key. That was not the problem in the second game. There it was not getting back on the fast break. So far it's whack-amole: solve one problem and another pops up.

Offensively, we are averaging 80ppg but are not playing well on offense. We are 12 for 45, (26.7%) from the arc, 24 for 39 from the line (61.5%) and have missed a bunch of lay-ups and jump hooks inside. We should be averaging 10-15 more points than we are and, if we did, we would not be having a melt down right now.

But we can't continue to perform at this level.

I thought it was a major problem in both games. It seems like every Colgate point originated from their guard blasting by ours at the top of the key.

 

[Eric15]

Stop posting this friggin myth dude. We have the 17th ranked recruiting class for next year as of today and it will likely go up after tonight. JB mailed it in for the 500th time.

 

[djcon57]

I’m not saying Red is going to succeed by any means, but those first UConn years with Hurley were rough. I spent a lot of time on the BY back then and a large contingent 100% wanted him gone and weren’t sold on him until 2 years ago when he won his first title. Thats how long it took him to win a tournament game. 5 years. Something tells me we won’t be that patient.

Hurley was already established. He got RHODE ISLAND to the round of 32 twice.

Red doesnt have those credentials behind him

 

[baggerbob]

I think with Eddie it is likely footspeed. Also, our guards do not appear as quick as Connecticuts. Frankly, I do not think any of our guys would start over any of theirs at this point.

Tired of this footspeed nonsense, Billy E didn't have great footspeed, but could get where he wanted against anyone.
And he defended well enough to make so called great guards look bad.
Effort is part of this teams problems right now.

 

[djcon57]

Tired of this footspeed nonsense, Billy E didn't have great footspeed, but could get where he wanted against anyone.
And he defended well enough to make so called great guards look bad.
Effort is part of this teams problems right now.

Billy was a basketball player. He knew angles. He knew all the tricks.

I watch JJ and he just doesn't seem to understand the basics on D. I disagree it's effort. He's trying. He's using his energy the wrong way.

 

[BillSU]

Yup...for my sanity we need to win on Nov 23rd by at least 17 points

WE will!

 

[BillSU]

Hurley was already established. He got RHODE ISLAND to the round of 32 twice.

Red doesnt have those credentials behind him

You have to give someone like Autry and Hurley time. You don't win a national championship team in one year.
Thought I'd give you some idea what Hurley, (2 National Championships), and (Auriemma, 11 National Championships), but this is mostly about Hurley, do at UConn to choose who stays and who goes and what Hurley does in practices to show official visitors what practices are like. I'm quoting, in part, the Sports Illustrated, Nov. 2024 issue by Michael Rosenberg. Some may like it -some not, but here it is.

"Some programs recruit with sugar and coach with salt. Here at UConn, we prefer to sell you the salt up front. It's more efficient. We purposely don't try and fool anyone into coming here, Hurley says. I don't have a great comfort level with a kid unless they've seen us practice a couple of times. You come and you watch us practice on an official visit, you see how hard we go. You've got to make a decision on whether you want to be in an environment like this. It attracts serious people - people that are serious about basketball.

The NCAA regulates how much teams can practice, but not how hard. Hurley gets four hours a week in the summer, and every minute is as intense as any in - season session. You might notice that he does not give his team water breaks. Managers run bottles out to players during drills. He also does not pause so players can practice free throws, or to blowtorch their effort. He says I think the longest I've stopped the practice since I've been in Connecticut is maybe 20 seconds maybe 25. He might gather them for a collective scolding when they're done, but during practice it's go, go, go.

It's also teach, teach, teach. Auriemma, who spends the first 45 minutes of his practices on fundamentals, says - with admiration - that Hurley coaches them like they're in junior high. He teaches them, like, This is how you dribble a basketball. That's why they're so --ing good. He takes high - level talent and coaches the absolute sh-- out of them.

You might think you're the greatest player in the country, on your way to a long pro career, and you don't need some coach showing you how to dribble. You might even be right. Good for you! Go somewhere else. I'm a high school coach by trade, Hurley says. I think that players have become more versatile, but in the end, it comes down to catching with two hands and finishing strong and being smart and a good passer.

University of Connecticut​

He was named head coach of UConn on March 22, 2018. In 2021, he returned the Huskies to the NCAA tournament for the first time since 2016, then again in 2022, losing in the first round both times. He won the NCAA championship with the Huskies in 2023. In June 2023, he agreed to a six-year contract extension with UConn worth $32.1M. In July 2024, he signed an extension worth $50M over six years.

In the 2023–24 season, Hurley led the Huskies to a school-record 37 wins, a Big East regular season title, a Big East Tournament championship, a #1 overall seed in the NCAA Tournament for the first time in school history, and a second-straight NCAA national championship. He was named the Naismith College Coach of the Year and received the Sporting News National Coach of the Year Award.

 

[djcon57]

You have to give someone like Autry and Hurley time. You don't win a national championship team in one year.
Thought I'd give you some idea what Hurley, (2 National Championships), and (Auriemma, 11 National Championships), but this is mostly about Hurley, do at UConn to choose who stays and who goes and what Hurley does in practices to show official visitors what practices are like. I'm quoting, in part, the Sports Illustrated, Nov. 2024 issue by Michael Rosenberg. Some may like it -some not, but here it is.

"Some programs recruit with sugar and coach with salt. Here at UConn, we prefer to sell you the salt up front. It's more efficient. We purposely don't try and fool anyone into coming here, Hurley says. I don't have a great comfort level with a kid unless they've seen us practice a couple of times. You come and you watch us practice on an official visit, you see how hard we go. You've got to make a decision on whether you want to be in an environment like this. It attracts serious people - people that are serious about basketball.

The NCAA regulates how much teams can practice, but not how hard. Hurley gets four hours a week in the summer, and every minute is as intense as any in - season session. You might notice that he does not give his team water breaks. Managers run bottles out to players during drills. He also does not pause so players can practice free throws, or to blowtorch their effort. He says I think the longest I've stopped the practice since I've been in Connecticut is maybe 20 seconds maybe 25. He might gather them for a collective scolding when they're done, but during practice it's go, go, go.

It's also teach, teach, teach. Auriemma, who spends the first 45 minutes of his practices on fundamentals, says - with admiration - that Hurley coaches them like they're in junior high. He teaches them, like, This is how you dribble a basketball. That's why they're so --ing good. He takes high - level talent and coaches the absolute sh-- out of them.

You might think you're the greatest player in the country, on your way to a long pro career, and you don't need some coach showing you how to dribble. You might even be right. Good for you! Go somewhere else. I'm a high school coach by trade, Hurley says. I think that players have become more versatile, but in the end, it comes down to catching with two hands and finishing strong and being smart and a good passer.

University of Connecticut​

He was named head coach of UConn on March 22, 2018. In 2021, he returned the Huskies to the NCAA tournament for the first time since 2016, then again in 2022, losing in the first round both times. He won the NCAA championship with the Huskies in 2023. In June 2023, he agreed to a six-year contract extension with UConn worth $32.1M. In July 2024, he signed an extension worth $50M over six years.

In the 2023–24 season, Hurley led the Huskies to a school-record 37 wins, a Big East regular season title, a Big East Tournament championship, a #1 overall seed in the NCAA Tournament for the first time in school history, and a second-straight NCAA national championship. He was named the Naismith College Coach of the Year and received the Sporting News National Coach of the Year Award.

Nothing you posted applied to Autry. Hurley was an established coach with tourney wins when he got the UConn job. Autry was the asst. coach to a program going downhill (NOT HIS FAULT, but still...)

I'm not giving up on Red. At all.

Just pointing out the Hurley comparisons don't make sense. And frankly don't work. Its not same/same.