LeQuint Allen is Back

[orange79]

Can SU come back to the table and issue a new punishment? Say a two-game suspension and that's it?

Apparently, they can do anything they want.

 

[JeremyCuse]

My guess is the lawsuit is in part a push to embarrass the school and get them to reconsider Vs to win an actual legal argument. And frankly, it’s a smart PR move. I wonder if the ADs office is secretly helping.

That was my point yesterday, this feels like it will put SU in a very bad light publicly and urge those higher ups with rationale thought complexes to intervene.

 

[PhatOrange]

Right but he was suspended academically. Meaning he can’t register for classes

This isn’t a suspension from the team. That’s why he participated in spring ball and the spring game

I think this is why a lawsuit can work.

 

[oldpinepoint]

That was my point yesterday, this feels like it will put SU in a very bad light publicly and urge those higher ups with rationale thought complexes to intervene.

They will probably just suspend him a semester and say look we did something when in reality they did nothing

 

[PhatOrange]

If he hasn’t have admitted he punched him…nothing probably happens to Lequint

Not a great message to send

Don’t ever admit anything. This business that we raise kids to always tell the truth is all bullsht.

 

[Franz69]

1 step forward, 2 steps back.

 

[jgeorge322]

Right but he was suspended academically. Meaning he can’t register for classes

This isn’t a suspension from the team. That’s why he participated in spring ball and the spring game

no, he probably participated in spring ball because his suspension is for the summer and fall semesters not the spring semester.

 

[oldpinepoint]

L, 2 steps back.

I’m sorry did you say something?

 

[HtownOrange]

NYS laws wouldn't apply here. For anyone who is a student, you don't want to be dragged in front of the kangaroo courts at SU. I have been for something I wasn't even involved in. Being that he's an athlete, the students were looking to send a message.

I get your point but NY State law applies. A university kangaroo court never trumps the sovereign law.

 

[jgeorge322]

this kind of reminds me of a scent of a woman. when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall. where is pacino when you need him.

 

[oldpinepoint]

this kind of reminds me of a scent of a woman. when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall. where is pacino when you need him.

Busy having a kid at 85

 

[EuclidBred]

Couple things to consider…

1. If the AD doesn’t get heavily involved in this, you better believe it will be used against SU in recruiting.

2. LeQuint’s HS head coach is SU’s new director of high school relations. He’s been the best hire of the off-season. How does he feel about his employer doing this to one of his HS players?

3. SU should look into the student board who created this penalty. There has been an “us vs them” mentality between students and athletes forever. This can’t be used to make an example out of another athlete.

 

[GeauxSU]

I have access to all of the court papers. It does not look to me like we are missing much of anything with regards to what happened. LaQuint punched a guy in the face and he lost a tooth and the back of his head was injured requiring stitches and staples. This was after the guy punched LaQuint twice. The guy didn't even show up at the hearing. SU did not consider self defense in this case because SU does not look at the conduct of others, only the conduct of the person being charged. It is hard to believe that SU actually uses that standard. The punishment was initially imposed by a single SU student whose decision was affirmed by the SU appeals board and then the Dean of Students. SU says the goal of the suspension is not to punish -but to be educational. Yet, they refuse to even consider self-defense or the actions of the other person. How can that possibly be educational. LaQuint has a chance here. There is room to find that this was arbitrary and capricious, which is the standard on an Article 78 proceeding.

Where is the education in teaching our young men not to defend themselves from harm?!?!

 

[PAcuse]

Something stupid happens almost EVERY dang year, honestly at this point if we keep shooting ourselves in the foot doesn't matter how many millions we throw at shiney new facilities

 

[Ozone!]

As an alum and previous university employee, I have some points I want to make about LeQuints situation.

As an employee I worked within the Judicial Affairs system and not for that office.

During my over 16 year tenure, I witnessed that system do many good things and yet also witnessed some travesties.

Judicial Affairs was created by lawyers whose ultimate goal is protecting the university. Syracuse is not unique, in that way. All universities employ legal firms to advise and protect them.

Unfortunately, in my view, the primary role of any university is that of a learning community.

Our nations judicial system is based in punishment and not learning.

In my view, LeQuint is being punished for being honest, where as the complaint is being rewarded by the outcome when he didn’t have that level of honesty in his complaint.

I do not have access to any information that has nor been made public here.

In my view, LeQuint should have been given a probation and not been excluded from participating in football. That would fit within the learning model.

Yes, I am biased, as I feel this could hurt our team and if he was the instigator I would feel differently.

I hope the courts do the right thing here and grant LeQuint eligibility for this coming season while this is being adjudicated through the legal system.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Couple things to consider…

1. If the AD doesn’t get heavily involved in this, you better believe it will be used against SU in recruiting.

2. LeQuint’s HS head coach is SU’s new director of high school relations. He’s been the best hire of the off-season. How does he feel about his employer doing this to one of his HS players?

3. SU should look into the student board who created this penalty. There has been an “us vs them” mentality between students and athletes forever. This can’t be used to make an example out of another athlete.

Pretty sure the student board is heavily influenced by the Dean of Students. At least it was when I was up there.

 

[NYCCuse826]

Don’t ever admit anything. This business we raise kids to always tell the truth is all bullsht.

That's not how the Judiciary Board works. It's been a problem for a while especially when it came to specific cases. When it concerns criminal matters, they shouldn't be involved period. Have SPD and Onondaga County get involved, not unelected students.

 

[Lukeyloo]

Yeah, the guy who allegedly punched Allen twice and started it is picking Allen out of a lineup but nothing was filed against him? This is all crazy

LeQuint might have done a number on him.. I mean we are talking about a D1 football player.

 

[rocklloyd]

Lol compared to what Syracuse has let athletes get away with in the past 10 years this is laughable. Hope the powers that be get the spotlight turned on them one day.

when I was in school, it seemed like derrick coleman got in a fight every friday night at Schine center. An exaggeration I know, but that's how it felt at the time.

 

[rocklloyd]

There are a lot of papers I'm going through. According to LaQuint, the initial student review told him that they could not consider the actions of the other person, only LaQuint. The appeals board did mention self defense but stated that LaQuint chose to engage himself when he could have walked away and the extent of the injuries he caused is not consistent with self defense. That is going to be issue that SU focuses on. He could have walked away. So while the initial student review refused to consider self defense, the appeals review did consider it and ruled against LaQuint. That is different from what I previously stated.

According to LaQuint, he was told by the student in the informal resolution process and in the student review hearing that what the other guy did was of no consequence. It was only at the SU appeals level that self defense was ever mentioned by any SU representative. So LaQuint's attorneys are arguing that SU did not follow its procedures since self defense was not allowed to be raised at the first two levels of the case.

i know for article 78, the courts really are loathe to overturn the body who made initial ruling, but if procedural issues are there, they will. I sit on my local town zoning board. Have had 1 or 2 article 78's

 

[Trueblue25]

when I was in school, it seemed like derrick coleman got in a fight every friday night at Schine center. An exaggeration I know, but that's how it felt at the time.

Footbal team and fraternities/rugby brawled every saturday night at UB. Was never a peep about it come sunday brunch.

Sounds like the other kid escalated the disagreement to a physical altercation and was then quelled. I suppose athletes/greek life are expected to just run away or take it though.

 

[JeffCuse]

Pretty sure the student board is heavily influenced by the Dean of Students. At least it was when I was up there.

Yes. The student board when I was there was heavily pressured by the admin. There was a tacit understanding that they did not want to come across soft.

 

[JeffCuse]

Footbal team and fraternities/rugby brawled every saturday night at UB. Was never a peep about it come sunday brunch.

Sounds like the other kid escalated the disagreement to a physical altercation and was then quelled. I suppose athletes/greek life are expected to just run away or take it though.

Let's not conflate these. You may have a point in some cases, but these are not the same.

 

[Ozone!]

Couple things to consider…

1. If the AD doesn’t get heavily involved in this, you better believe it will be used against SU in recruiting.

2. LeQuint’s HS head coach is SU’s new director of high school relations. He’s been the best hire of the off-season. How does he feel about his employer doing this to one of his HS players?

3. SU should look into the student board who created this penalty. There has been an “us vs them” mentality between students and athletes forever. This can’t be used to make an example out of another athlete.

The AD cannot get involved, other than his opinion. These Judicial Affairs rules were put in place by The university’s Board of Trustees, everyone, all employees are subject to their rules.

 

[721Comstock]

when I was in school, it seemed like derrick coleman got in a fight every friday night at Schine center. An exaggeration I know, but that's how it felt at the time.

Heck, DC almost got in a fight in the driveway of my fraternity house!! **

And this was 1987 - mere weeks before that amazing FF run.
Can you imagine if DC had gotten suspended??
(And there were other players in the car with him).

** coupla guys in my house apparently cut them off while driving, and they followed them back.
Honestly, given the guys involved, I don’t doubt they started the whole thing, and DC & his buddies weren’t wrong in being pissed off.
Nothing came of it (because it was ~40 vs 4), and now it’s just an amusing historical anecdote.