LeQuint Allen is Back

[Ozone!]

Yes. The student board when I was there was heavily pressured by the admin. There was a tacit understanding that they did not want to come across soft.

Also, these student boards are largely composed of students who are ardent rule followers.

 

[JKinPhilly]

Something stupid happens almost EVERY dang year, honestly at this point if we keep shooting ourselves in the foot doesn't matter how many millions we throw at shiney new facilities

Stupid things happen to athletes at campuses across the country all the time - other institutions seem to look the other way more often than not.

 

[djorange1989]

when I was in school, it seemed like derrick coleman got in a fight every friday night at Schine center. An exaggeration I know, but that's how it felt at the time.

The Coleman situation was the opposite of this, as in Coleman SHOULD have been tossed. A security guard got knocked unconscious during that brawl, a brawl DC started.

 

[Ozone!]

That's not how the Judiciary Board works. It's been a problem for a while especially when it came to specific cases. When it concerns criminal matters, they shouldn't be involved period. Have SPD and Onondaga County get involved, not unelected students.

And history shows that there are many cases that civil authorities wouldn’t prosecute that Judicial Affairs has punished the student.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Also, these student boards are largely composed of students who are ardent rule followers.

They must also be students who don't know the NCAA rules for maintaining progress and eligibility for a student athlete.

 

[JKinPhilly]

They must also be students who don't know the NCAA rules for maintaining progress and eligibility for a student athlete.

not in their wheelhouse

 

[David321]

You gotta be freaking kidding me. SU is doing this themselves to their own FB program, am I reading that right?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Let's not conflate these. You may have a point in some cases, but these are not the same.

He’s right. Organizations get punished on the whole greater than students who are not part of anything. Saw that first hand when I was up there.

 

[Chip]

I’m sorry did you say something?
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Not sure why that's called a T-shirt Fail. I'd say anything but.

As to our thread here, I don't really know what to say. Two sides to every story. If Allen's version is the truth, and that's what the University judged him by, then yet another reason why SU football cannot compete with its peers.

If his version of the story isn't exactly accurate and there's more to this that would anger us all (say, like, hitting a girl), then he'll have trouble playing anywhere. I supposed Rutgers would still take him.

Interesting to see how this will play out, but yet another gut punch from the program that so regularly hands out gut punches.

 

[dollarbill44]

We had a star power forward slam an OL through a car windshield with nothing more than a slap on the wrist when we were serious about having winning programs

Athlete on athlete. Plus, if no one files a complaint, there is nothing to adjudicate.

 

[shandeezy7]

i know for article 78, the courts really are loathe to overturn the body who made initial ruling, but if procedural issues are there, they will. I sit on my local town zoning board. Have had 1 or 2 article 78's

Yeah, unless there are procedural issues, I really can't see a court overturning a decision made by a private entity. I think the lawsuit is really a means of putting public pressure on the university to rectify this in a favorable way for LeQuint. Maybe it'll work but given the stubbornness of the university (specifically the administration), I don't see that happening.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think it's safe to say that somebody within the University can very easily step in and lighten up on this suspension. This isn't some criminal case. Somebody with a brain just step in and get it done, fellow students handing out a two semester suspension for a fist fight at a party? Seriously

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Athlete on athlete. Plus, if no one files a complaint, there is nothing to adjudicate.

Also almost 40 years ago. Different world. Come on

 

[David321]

We’re handicapping ourselves while playing ACC opponents (like FSU) who would never do this to themselves.

 

[David321]

I think it's safe to say that somebody within the University can very easily step in and lighten up on this suspension. This isn't some criminal case. Somebody with a brain just step in and get it done, fellow students handing out a two semester suspension for a fist fight at a party? Seriously

Sounds like a student government kangaroo court that hates jocks.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

i know for article 78, the courts really are loathe to overturn the body who made initial ruling, but if procedural issues are there, they will. I sit on my local town zoning board. Have had 1 or 2 article 78's

I used to be on a ZBA. Loved it.
If the judge does rule in favor of Allen the case against him would most likely return to the student disciplinary board again to be reheard.

 

[orange79]

I am not in any way condoning what LeQuint did. What I would expect, however, that the punishment fit the crime. If he just got pissed off and attacked this guy, I get it. But it appears he was hit first.

SU, I think, has a chance to rectify this. If this is what it takes, significant alums need to apply some pressure.

Mainly because, if this situation does not change, it will, IMO, severely impact recruiting and allow the argument to be made that SU is not fully supportive of athletics. This could undo all the recent success we have had.

I understand academicians wanting to take the higher moral ground, but sometimes the adults need to step in and make this a teaching moment - for ALL involved.

 

[MSOrange]

Something stupid happens almost EVERY dang year, honestly at this point if we keep shooting ourselves in the foot doesn't matter how many millions we throw at shiney new facilities

Granted I don't follow other schools as closely as I do SU, but it does seem like something every year at SU. It's pretty exhausting.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Sounds like a student government kangaroo court that hates jocks.

Yeah kind of what I am saying. I have no issue with Allen missing some time ( game or two would be on the high end) but basically a two semester suspension is just crazy. And to let fellow students decide this is just absurd.

 

[atlanticuse]

In the SEC, this would warrant sitting out the first drive...against the D-2 opponent

only if it was a felony. conviction.

 

[FrancoPizza]

This is reminiscent of the self-reporting fiasco that got SU in trouble with the NCAA. Knowing how these kangaroo courts work, Allen should never have claimed he was there, or denied that he was the one that threw the punch. If justice will not be dealt in a fair, consistent and reasonable manner, then there is no incentive for anyone to admit guilt in these affairs.

 

[sabach]

I've now read through all the legal papers. LaQunit has a tough case for an Article 78 proceeding.

He is claiming that at the first two levels of the SU judicial system, (before one student and then before the student board) he was told that self defense could not be raised or considered. Even if he is right there, the final SU appeal before the adults did discuss self defense and rejected it. One may disagree with their conclusion but there is a big legal difference with addressing a defense and rejecting it and never addressing an available defense in the first place. Only the latter is usually able to be successfully legally challenged.

LaQuint's argument is that if the first two levels considered self defense, they may have not given him a two semester suspension. A court will generally not make that type of assumption, especially if the last level of internal appeal did uphold the suspension and did address self defense. Even so, a one semester fall 2023 suspension would take him off the football team this season anyway.

He is also arguing in effect that the punishment does not fit the crime. SU suspended him for a year with the opportunity to be reinstated again to finish his degree after a year and presumably play football again. I doubt a court will consider that as a result that "shocks the senses". We may disagree but a court usually is very careful not to interject itself into discretionary decisions that were made at lower levels unless there is a huge miscarriage of justice. I would suspect that SU can show that they have suspended many students in the past who got into a fight with another student so as to show that LaQunit is not unique.

He punched another student in the face and allegedly caused a tooth to come out and head injuries. I probably would have done the same thing if I was LaQuint under the circumstances. But it would be very hard for a trial court judge to reverse the decision of a private college on the suspension of a student who admitted to punching another student in the face even without those injuries unless there were massive procedural missteps which now that I have read all the papers, I just don't see. Article 78 proceedings are not easy. I hope for the sake of the season that I am wrong.

 

[cusefan88]

Excellent PR move and the P-S article in my opinion makes the University look bad. The actual legal system thinks the case is a joke and Allen offered unprompted to do many things to rectify the issue. The punishment seems incredibly harsh.

 

[djorange1989]

I am not in any way condoning what LeQuint did. What I would expect, however, that the punishment fit the crime. If he just got pissed off and attacked this guy, I get it. But it appears he was hit first. View attachment 228884

SU, I think, has a chance to rectify this. If this is what it takes, significant alums need to apply some pressure.

Mainly because, if this situation does not change, it will, IMO, severely impact recruiting and allow the argument to be made that SU is not fully supportive of athletics. This could undo all the recent success we have had.

I understand academicians wanting to take the higher moral ground, but sometimes the adults need to step in and make this a teaching moment - for ALL involved.

100%. This will kill our recruiting, in NJ particularly, and as pointed out his HS coach is on staff and doing great things and we will lose him over this too. Fix this, SU, it’s a load of crap. Let him do what he originally proposed as far as community service and anger management. THAT is a teaching thing too, not sending a kid packing for good which is what this idiot kangaroo student court is doing

 

[Dick_in_MI]

when I was in school, it seemed like derrick coleman got in a fight every friday night at Schine center. An exaggeration I know, but that's how it felt at the time.

When I was in school, if certain football players walked into a bar, you left. They weren’t out to get you personally, but you’d end up being collateral damage.

One night I was out at TC’s with a friend. Our ride was a couple of 12th string football players that I didn’t know. Almost immediately, these guys tried to start fights in the bar with random other people. I didn’t want any part of this and couldn’t leave because these morons were my ride.

Then I noticed sitting over in a corner was the great SU DL Joe Ehrmann, who later played for the Colts. He was obviously having a quiet beer with a friend. Joe glanced over, saw what was going on, slowly drained his beer, and walked out. I was pretty impressed that a player of his stature immediately removed himself from a potential stupid situation.