Let's boycott college sports

[EnviroSciGuy]

I know Stumpy err Stocky...he is not a man baby

Maybe a jerk or doofus...but not a man baby

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Who's with me?

Snark aside, I agree with the spirit of the post. On my side of things, I can't imagine how difficult it is to support D1 athletes in an academic context in the current environment. That was part of my role at WVU in 2012 when they started their first season in the Big 12, and everybody was losing their marbles over how crazy the travel was. It took us a good semester to really settle in.

Now... that sort of travel is typical, and paltry compared to what some other institutions are subjecting their SAs to.

 

[kirbivore]

I am an addict

 

[kirbivore]

$ ruined the game, not kids getting money. It started when the coaches were getting paid, and the facilities arm race. That was the start of it. This is just a continuation.

 

[kirbivore]

Counter-counterpoint: adults with a degree have a far greater chance of earning a good living than those who do not. We all know plenty of non-athletes who did just enough to obtain a degree and are now living successful lives as a result.

 

[Dcuse]

Dcuse, to be clear, was not saying you are a man baby just that I was surprised you did not know what was one.

No worries. I've been called worse. Besides, I just googled " man baby" and it turns out that's exactly what I am. ( I blame NIL and the portal though)

 

[BillSU]

So why don’t we put a salary cap on college sports? You get paid as does any player up to a certain amount and sign a contract for that and the years you are going to play are right there on the dotted line – every conference.

Somebody, probably Congress, figures out how much a major college in every conference especially the non - football factories can afford. Now it’s equal. A range of $500K – 1Mil cap and that’s it. You don’t like it, go try and get in the pros.

Now the colors are there for however many years you sign for. You sign for 500K - $1Million and there is a clause that says 1 - 4 years same amount per year no matter what conference. You cannot go anywhere else for more. It’s the same for everybody.

If a school or any “booster” gets caught trying to augment the salary for any player, your school plays the rest of that season, but is not eligible for any post season tournament, and the HC and AD are on probation and hot seat pending a review by Congress at the end of that season. If you are found in direct control of the situation you are gone, the player is too and the school is on probation for 1 year.

And fans can be fans again

 

[djcon57]

So why don’t we put a salary cap on college sports? You get paid as does any player up to a certain amount and sign a contract for that and the years you are going to play are right there on the dotted line – every conference.

Somebody, probably Congress, figures out how much a major college in every conference especially the non - football factories can afford. Now it’s equal. A range of $500K – 1Mil cap and that’s it. You don’t like it, go try and get in the pros.

Now the colors are there for however many years you sign for. You sign for 500K - $1Million and there is a clause that says 1 - 4 years same amount per year no matter what conference. You cannot go anywhere else for more. It’s the same for everybody.

If a school or any “booster” gets caught trying to augment the salary for any player, your school plays the rest of that season, but is not eligible for any post season tournament, and the HC and AD are on probation and hot seat pending a review by Congress at the end of that season. If you are found in direct control of the situation you are gone, the player is too and the school is on probation for 1 year.

And fans can be fans again

You can't salary cap NIL.
It's unlawful w/o a collectively bargained agreement

 

[Sudano]

 

[Sudano]

Great Points by Mcafee and Herbstreit:
Main Points, (adjusted a few of my own)
No one really has a problem with athletes getting paid
Not really NIL, just boosters paying players is not healthy nor sustainable. Boosters runs teams.
It's a big business without structure, no structured business model, it's not based on any sound business or financial princliples, no rules, no regulations,
No one running the sport, no CBA, no rules committee, no guardrails, no creating or policing the guardrails, Even NFL (a sport bigger than CFB) has salary cap, just leveraging without a market basis of value, No one has the stones to say this is what we are going to do, no one is leading the sport, fear of litigation, if perceived as not giving players what they want they get sued or pushed out. NCAA is the boogie man, just blame the NCAA and win, no one wants to limit or fault the players for ANYTHING, not really blaming the kids, they are great, just blaming the agents, family, NIL Reps. Kids are being manipulated to ruin relationships, teams, being lied to. Afraid to be critical of players to be labeled as a boomer, Keep NIL, just have some freaking rules. Rules will help overall players and create something sustainable. Boosters wanting a new QB and working to outbid other Boosters from across the county is stupid, embarrassing for the sport the way everyone let the sport get to this point. Some breaking point of bankruptcy or some historic program dropping the sport, some catastrophe will occur and only then someone will step up to positively help CFB.

 

[CuseBlood44]

So we should stop buying tickets to see our favorite team play, then maybe we won’t lose our best players to bigger teams. This is nuclear proliferation, bad and poorly thought out argument. Nobody is going to self-regulate

 

[baggerbob]

Great Points by Mcafee and Herbstreit:
Main Points, (adjusted a few of my own)
No one really has a problem with athletes getting paid
Not really NIL, just boosters paying players is not healthy nor sustainable. Boosters runs teams.
It's a big business without structure, no structured business model, it's not based on any sound business or financial princliples, no rules, no regulations,
No one running the sport, no CBA, no rules committee, no guardrails, no creating or policing the guardrails, Even NFL (a sport bigger than CFB) has salary cap, just leveraging without a market basis of value, No one has the stones to say this is what we are going to do, no one is leading the sport, fear of litigation, if perceived as not giving players what they want they get sued or pushed out. NCAA is the boogie man, just blame the NCAA and win, no one wants to limit or fault the players for ANYTHING, not really blaming the kids, they are great, just blaming the agents, family, NIL Reps. Kids are being manipulated to ruin relationships, teams, being lied to. Afraid to be critical of players to be labeled as a boomer, Keep NIL, just have some freaking rules. Rules will help overall players and create something sustainable. Boosters wanting a new QB and working to outbid other Boosters from across the county is stupid, embarrassing for the sport the way everyone let the sport get to this point. Some breaking point of bankruptcy or some historic program dropping the sport, some catastrophe will occur and only then someone will step up to positively help CFB.

Nothing short of congress is going to stop this, and even if they get involved ,you have too many lawyers and judges who will rule against any legislation that is passed.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Pro sports have their issues, no doubt. But broadly speaking, there are logical rules in place that govern player movement, team spending, and competitive fairness.

Owners pretend that salary caps and luxury taxes are about competitive balance, but they really just exist to supress player salaries.

 

[Scooch]

Owners pretend that salary caps and luxury taxes are about competitive balance, but they really just exist to supress player salaries.

Kinda, sorta, but not entirely.

NFL, NBA and NHL players are guaranteed a share of league revenue. And as we see, the cap grows near constantly since revenues have escalated so much in the past many years.

The NBA is an example of how the use of a cap may not suppress wages. There have been dozens of good-but-far-from-great players who are making incredible money because owners literally have to spend to a floor and players have to get that required share of revenue.

One can argue that if the NBA was uncapped, but consequently had no floor and no revenue share (I’m looking at you, MLB) then the overall salary level of its players would be less than it is today.

Look, I think pro owners tend to be the worst of the worst. But it’s not clear cut that pro salary caps are entirely deflationary.

 

[chuck]

Who's with me?

NIL has ruined college sports!! Tell me how the product as a whole is better? How has this made the sport and the kids better players and persons??? It hasn't.

 

[GardenOrange]

Everyone loved college sports until the athletes started getting their share.

Why is it their share? Just because there is money being made, doesn’t mean the amateur players are entitled to any unregulated amount of it.

 

[690West]

Owners pretend that salary caps and luxury taxes are about competitive balance, but they really just exist to supress player salaries.

Yes! The players are the ultimate proletariat!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Why is it their share? Just because there is money being made, doesn’t mean the amateur players are entitled to any unregulated amount of it.

...

That's exactly what it means.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Kinda, sorta, but not entirely.

NFL, NBA and NHL players are guaranteed a share of league revenue. And as we see, the cap grows near constantly since revenues have escalated so much in the past many years.

The NBA is an example of how the use of a cap may not suppress wages. There have been dozens of good-but-far-from-great players who are making incredible money because owners literally have to spend to a floor and players have to get that required share of revenue.

One can argue that if the NBA was uncapped, but consequently had no floor and no revenue share (I’m looking at you, MLB) then the overall salary level of its players would be less than it is today.

Look, I think pro owners tend to be the worst of the worst. But it’s not clear cut that pro salary caps are entirely deflationary.

Without caps, salaries would be higher. I don’t think that is debatable.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Without caps, salaries would be higher. I don’t think that is debatable.

The very best players? Sure. The majority of players, it would not. Look at the NBA, those contracts are insane. Without a rev share most of those guys would not be making as much as they are. They are getting overpaid IMO. It would be more like MLB without a cap.

 

[Scooch]

Without caps, salaries would be higher. I don’t think that is debatable.

Yeah, what HRE Otto IV said. It actually is debatable. The top end is always going to make big money (look at MLB just this offseason). But a cap, floor and rev split helps the middle class makes a LOT more than they otherwise might.

I totally understand your point, and I know with certainty that a cap, from the owner's perspective, is there to protect them from themselves and limit salary.

However, from what I've read, the reality is that when paired with a floor and a rev split, that there's (a) no way for owners to collude to suppress salaries (as has happened in MLB for decades), (b) players benefit from the revenue growth of a league directly in the form of mandatory higher salaries.

This piece from Sportico lays that all out:

Baseball Salary Growth Trails NFL and NBA as Sports Revenues Boom

 

[kirbivore]

Kinda, sorta, but not entirely.

NFL, NBA and NHL players are guaranteed a share of league revenue. And as we see, the cap grows near constantly since revenues have escalated so much in the past many years.

The NBA is an example of how the use of a cap may not suppress wages. There have been dozens of good-but-far-from-great players who are making incredible money because owners literally have to spend to a floor and players have to get that required share of revenue.

One can argue that if the NBA was uncapped, but consequently had no floor and no revenue share (I’m looking at you, MLB) then the overall salary level of its players would be less than it is today.

Look, I think pro owners tend to be the worst of the worst. But it’s not clear cut that pro salary caps are entirely deflationary.

MLB does have a luxury tax with no floor so teams like Pittsburgh and Miami don't spend squat and collect the welfare from the Dodgers, Yankees, etc.

The CBT has been a topic of debate, with some arguing that it is not effective in significantly reducing the gap between the wealthiest and least wealthy teams. Others argue that it provides some level of revenue sharing, directing tax revenue to teams that may be struggling to compete financially.

 

[Scooch]

MLB does have a luxury tax with no floor so teams like Pittsburgh and Miami don't spend squat and collect the welfare from the Dodgers, Yankees, etc.

The CBT has been a topic of debate, with some arguing that it is not effective in significantly reducing the gap between the wealthiest and least wealthy teams. Others argue that it provides some level of revenue sharing, directing tax revenue to teams that may be struggling to compete financially.

Oh I'm quite aware. MLB has the worst system imaginable.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Oh I'm quite aware. MLB has the worst system imaginable.

And they are arguably just as, or more, competitively balanced than the other leagues. Of course, it is not an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Scooch]

And they are arguably just as, or more, competitively balanced than the other leagues. Of course, it is not an apples to apples comparison.

They have fewer repeat champions. That’s their balance.

They also have far more perennially bottom dwelling franchises whose ownership steadfastly refuses to spend on players.

Personally I think it’s obscene that a team like Miami is allowed to operate a major league franchise while spending $67 million on player salaries this season.