Looks like Mark Coyle has quite the mess at Minnesota

[Stern]

I don't see Coyle going for a Less Miles, too big a name. I think the short list is Brian Harsian or Scott Frost.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I don't see Coyle going for a Less Miles, too big a name. I think the short list is Brian Harsian or Scott Frost.

yeah but Les miles is only one looking for a job as well, awful late to fly the coup, but who knows

 

[texascpa]

Rutgers Dumpsterfire ‏@RU_DumpsterFire 1h1 hour ago
Looks like the dumpster fire bandwagon is getting company. Welcome to the party @GopherFootball

The fire is spreading in the B1G.

 

[Chip]

I don't see Coyle going for a Less Miles, too big a name. I think the short list is Brian Harsian or Scott Frost.

I'll admit if/when I'm wrong, but I think all Coyle/Frost discussions ended at the buyout. Frost was clear where he wants to coach. And it wasn't SU. And it's not Minnesota.

 

[longtimefan]

I'll admit if/when I'm wrong, but I think all Coyle/Frost discussions ended at the buyout. Frost was clear where he wants to coach. And it wasn't SU. And it's not Minnesota.

But Nebraska and Oregon are off the market now.

 

[TexanMark]

I'll admit if/when I'm wrong, but I think all Coyle/Frost discussions ended at the buyout. Frost was clear where he wants to coach. And it wasn't SU. And it's not Minnesota.

Sometimes...she still sez No...Sassy Oregon and the girl next door Nebraska

Minnehaha will get you close to Nebraska...I think he will listen. It was 86 in Orlando today...maybe he talks to Coyle and gets a pay raise at UCF.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I'll admit if/when I'm wrong, but I think all Coyle/Frost discussions ended at the buyout. Frost was clear where he wants to coach. And it wasn't SU. And it's not Minnesota.

Miles would be a home run and can take the heat. To me you either go there, roll dice on wing nut at directional Michigan, If I am Boise guy, I'm holding out for the next PAC 12 job, maybe ASU or UA next year, no way I leave Boise for Minny job right now. not only to have to recruit in for 17 you need to recruit current kids on roster.

All else fails call Shady at least it's a shot at OSU as well

 

[Toga]

 

[Chip]

But Nebraska and Oregon are off the market now.

Nebraska was off the market when he talked to us too. He doesn't want to be boxed in.

This is a school that fired Solich for too many 9-3 seasons.

 

[atom58]

I don't know all the whys and wherefores with this MN situation although I did read some of the testimony by the aggrieved party, but I would not touch that job with a 10 foot pole given that those players were going to boycott a game they ultimately won and now are threatening to transfer. Different than the MO situation but still a mess and Coyle walked right into it.

 

[tipphill]

do they have any recruits we would want???

 

[CuseLegacy]

I'll admit if/when I'm wrong, but I think all Coyle/Frost discussions ended at the buyout. Frost was clear where he wants to coach. And it wasn't SU. And it's not Minnesota.

Interesting tweet from a player at UCF.

Christian Lezzer ‏@christian_lezz4 14h14 hours ago
After bowl season, I really don't see how anyone could say that the ACC isn't the best conference in college football.

 

[MSOrange]

Interesting tweet from a player at UCF.

Christian Lezzer ‏@christian_lezz4 14h14 hours ago
After bowl season, I really don't see how anyone could say that the ACC isn't the best conference in college football.

From looking at the google, it looks like he's actually a DB that transferred from Boston College. But he's not listed on their roster or coaching staff. Not that it's a huge deal.

 

[OrangePA]

I agree! coyle and the that program. The players loved this guy. Glad he got shots in on his way out. Guess the boise coach has a connection with Coyle.

I'm probably in the minority, but I thought the head coach did nothing wrong in supporting his players.

The coach did what a leader is supposed to do - support those who work for him. He did not condone violence or sexual assault. He simply supported his players' decision to voice their concerns for due process.

Management should understand and respect that dynamic of leadership.

That's just my opinion.

At this point, for me, there is very little to like about Mark Coyle - that pillar of integrity.

 

[Whitey23]

Coyle Makes Change in Football Leadership

I made a difficult decision today on behalf of the University of Minnesota. With the support of Board of Regents' leadership and President Eric Kaler, I have decided to take the Gophers football team in a different direction with new coaching leadership.

I determined that the football program must move in a new direction to address challenges in recruiting, ticket sales and the culture of the program. We need strong leadership to take Gopher football to the next level and address these challenges.

1. Recruiting
2. Ticket sales
3. Culture

Seems to have his priorities in order.

 

[Chip]

I'm probably in the minority, but I thought the head coach did nothing wrong in supporting his players.

The coach did what a leader is supposed to do - support those who work for him. He did not condone violence or s e xual assault. He simply supported his players' decision to voice their concerns for due process.

Management should understand and respect that dynamic of leadership.

That's just my opinion.

At this point, for me, there is very little to like about Mark Coyle - that pillar of integrity.

Couple things.

First - I don't think we know how much power Coyle had in this one. He could just be falling on the PR sword since it's an athletic matter, but given the sensitivity it was really a President or BoT decision. Wouldn't be the first time.

Second - You're giving one leader credit for doing his job but not the other one. If an AD says you're free to legally gang bang, but you're not free to do it as a student athlete at our university, how can that be discredited?

Third - Claeys was never a long term option and didn't want to be. Only had a 2 year deal. He was a stopgap for a program who lost a coach for medical reasons and was in transition in their administration. Coyle came in knowing he was going to hire someone. But 9 wins complicated things. Still, no one, I'd bet even Claeys himself, thought that was sustainable.

Again, happy it's not my problem, but people are too quick to connect his tenure/departure here with the situation there. Apples and coffee cups.

 

[OrangePA]

Couple things.

First - I don't think we know how much power Coyle had in this one. He could just be falling on the PR sword since it's an athletic matter, but given the sensitivity it was really a President or BoT decision. Wouldn't be the first time.

Second - You're giving one leader credit for doing his job but not the other one. If an AD says you're free to legally gang bang, but you're not free to do it as a student athlete at our university, how can that be discredited?

Third - Claeys was never a long term option and didn't want to be. Only had a 2 year deal. He was a stopgap for a program who lost a coach for medical reasons and was in transition in their administration. Coyle came in knowing he was going to hire someone. But 9 wins complicated things. Still, no one, I'd bet even Claeys himself, thought that was sustainable.

Again, happy it's not my problem, but people are too quick to connect his tenure/departure here with the situation there. Apples and coffee cups.

Obviously I don't know who made what decision. It just seems to me from what I have read that Coyle was deeply involved in the decision.

Regarding your second point, I guess I just disagree with what you're suggesting. First I never even hinted that the head coach did or should condone sexual assault. Not at all. I observed that a good leader supports his people when they undertake a sincere act 0f protest. It may have been misguided or it have been uninformed, but my impression is that the players did what college students tend to do - they voiced concern for the due process rights of their teammates. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

And in such a setting, a team can be destroyed if the coach does not support the players right to protest.

Regarding Coyle, a true leader in my opinion doesn't do the politically correct thing but stands up and says "I applaud the coach for doing something that might be controversial to certain advocates - supporting the rights of his players."

That is leadership in my opinion.

Firing the guy after having given him a vote of confidence two weeks earlier - just to be politically correct - is not leadership in my opinion.

Obviously I don't know the facts all that well. It may be that Coyle or the president were courageous for firing the guy. But from my limited perspective, I don't see it that way.

And to me it is not "apples and coffee cups. "

Character is can be very difficult.

Coyle would have shown me true character had he turned down Minnesota job - a position that he really wanted - because he had committed to Syracuse. Like when Vince Lombardi turned down the NY Giants job - his dream job - after one year at Green Bay.

And, he would have shown me character if he had responded to the advocates by asserting "we do not in any way condone violence or sexual assault or this kind of behavior, but we do believe in free speech and due process and we do believe that our coach had the right to publicly support his players' decision to express themselves on this issue."

That would have shown me some courage and character.

Firing the guy didn't really show me all that much.

 

[bcubs9497]

I'm probably in the minority, but I thought the head coach did nothing wrong in supporting his players.

The coach did what a leader is supposed to do - support those who work for him. He did not condone violence or s e xual assault. He simply supported his players' decision to voice their concerns for due process.

Management should understand and respect that dynamic of leadership.

That's just my opinion.

At this point, for me, there is very little to like about Mark Coyle - that pillar of integrity.

Everything you say is right. Objectively. Thing is, I LOATHE that rat bastard, so I'll never willingly give him props.

 

[UnknownOrange]

PJ Fleck is going to coach the Gophers in 2017 (my guess)

 

[TheCusian]

Obviously I don't know who made what decision. It just seems to me from what I have read that Coyle was deeply involved in the decision.

Regarding your second point, I guess I just disagree with what you're suggesting. First I never even hinted that the head coach did or should condone s e xual assault. Not at all. I observed that a good leader supports his people when they undertake a sincere act 0f protest. It may have been misguided or it have been uninformed, but my impression is that the players did what college students tend to do - they voiced concern for the due process rights of their teammates. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

And in such a setting, a team can be destroyed if the coach does not support the players right to protest.

Regarding Coyle, a true leader in my opinion doesn't do the politically correct thing but stands up and says "I applaud the coach for doing something that might be controversial to certain advocates - supporting the rights of his players."

That is leadership in my opinion.

Firing the guy after having given him a vote of confidence two weeks earlier - just to be politically correct - is not leadership in my opinion.

Obviously I don't know the facts all that well. It may be that Coyle or the president were courageous for firing the guy. But from my limited perspective, I don't see it that way.

And to me it is not "apples and coffee cups. "

Character is can be very difficult.

Coyle would have shown me true character had he turned down Minnesota job - a position that he really wanted - because he had committed to Syracuse. Like when Vince Lombardi turned down the NY Giants job - his dream job - after one year at Green Bay.

And, he would have shown me character if he had responded to the advocates by asserting "we do not in any way condone violence or s e xual assault or this kind of behavior, but we do believe in free speech and due process and we do believe that our coach had the right to publicly support his players' decision to express themselves on this issue."

That would have shown me some courage and character.

Firing the guy didn't really show me all that much.

Nah. It's your not your job as HC to blindly support your players - especially when they are supporting players in direct opposition to your employers rules of conduct.

If he had concerns, he could have and should have battled for their rights through appropriate private channels - not through the media.

 

[OrangePA]

Coyle Makes Change in Football Leadership

I made a difficult decision today on behalf of the University of Minnesota. With the support of Board of Regents' leadership and President Eric Kaler, I have decided to take the Gophers football team in a different direction with new coaching leadership.

I determined that the football program must move in a new direction to address challenges in recruiting, ticket sales and the culture of the program. We need strong leadership to take Gopher football to the next level and address these challenges.

1. Recruiting
2. Ticket sales
3. Culture

Seems to have his priorities in order.

Again, this is what I read that prompted me in part to post my concerns about Coyle.

The more I read about him the less I care for him.

 

[OrangePA]

Nah. It's your not your job as HC to blindly support your players - especially when they are supporting players in direct opposition to your employers rules of conduct.

If he had concerns, he could have and should have battled for their rights through appropriate private channels - not through the media.

I didn't get the impression that he "blindly" supported his players.

He publicly supported the right of the players to protest - at least that's how I understand it.

Doing it publicly was the key ingredient to the leadership he showed. Doing it privately would have been the safe thing to do, but it would not have meant as much to his players who themselves had already taken a public position that was certainly not in their best interests politically - based upon their principles.

When your subordinates show courage you as a leader should do your best to support it.

Just my opinion.

 

[AZOrange]

PJ Fleck is going to coach the Gophers in 2017 (my guess)

Or Lane Kiffin...paging Lane Kiffin

 

[RF2044]

It's been interesting to watch this unfold locally, in Minneapolis, with no ties to that school / program. Quite a mess.

 

[Pyle]

Or Lane Kiffin...paging Lane Kiffin

Kiffen would be perfect, hasn't even unpacked at FAU, I can see him slinking around with a cell phone behind closed doors right now. He loves to run the ball ala B1G style as well.