LSU vs. UCF

[orangecuse]

NFL caliber DB's create coverage sacks too.

Of course they do, but generally the term "coverage sacks" are associated when the QB has all the time in the world to pass, have a cup of joe, etc., not when under constant pressure and duress by the defensive front.

 

[bpo57]

I will say this, the best defense against the pass is having a strong pass rush that makes a QB, especially a green and unproven one shaky and uncomfortable. LSU did not have guys out (I don't believe) on their defensive front and they dominated the UCF offensive line. So, with this being the case, I don't think LSU being down so much in their defensive backfield was problematic for them...today. Now, if UCF or someone else who had a better, more experienced, etc. QB, who could've still managed to pick them apart with slants, better accuracy, etc., then I'd say it would've had a more significant impact.

Ed Alexander their starting NT chose to sit out to prepare for the NFL draft. They were missing a lot of guys on defense not just the secondary.

 

[sufandu]

Of course they do, but generally the term "coverage sacks" are associated when the QB has all the time in the world to pass, have a cup of joe, etc., not when under constant pressure and duress by the defensive front.

So how is a better qb gonna make a difference if he is under constant pressure? That was your point right?

 

[CuseOnly]

First of all, don't come at me like I'm a UCF apologist. If you've read what I've posted, it's clear I'm not. I simply answered a question. Someone asked if they'd win the Coastal. I said I thought they would. I have also said they would not go undefeated in a P5 conference. Chill out.

First off, I am "coming at you", I am stating my opinion and never did I call you an apologist of anything.

I also agreed they would win the Coastal, just not undefeated like they were this year or last. They would win it with 2 or possibly more losses at least.

Tired of people talking about this team, they are way over rated and wouldn't even be in the conversation if they were in a real conference. Yet they won't play anyone good to hang their hat on.

 

[orangecuse]

So how is a better qb gonna make a difference if he is under constant pressure? That was your point right?

No it wasn't. The general point of emphasis I have been attempting to make is that LSU's shorthanded secondary didn't have as much as an impact as losing the most critical position in football, the QB, especially one that is seasoned and very good. And, that with LSU's defensive front being superior, causing a green and unseasoned QB to be under constant duress and pressure, it didn't have the same significance as LSU's db's weren't constantly getting exposed.

I already mentioned what a better, more seasoned QB may do if under constant duress, etc. and that would be, due to being more seasoned, have a better presence under said pressure, therefore being more accurate, in hitting the short slants, or plays designed to avoid the heavy rush, etc.

 

[CuseOnly]

You're a frigging clown. Moreover, the way in which you've chosen to engage me here (which is interesting considering I don't recall much, if any, dialog ever between us) suggests that you are the one with "serious issues" as it's quite apparent you take yourself too seriously here.

I don't recall calling anyone names here and no I don't take myself too seriously. You stated your opinion, I stated mine.

You posted on a message forum, does there have to be a prior dialog between us for me to totally disagree with something you posted on a public message board for all to see and discuss?

Or were you expecting everyone that read what you posted to agree with you.

 

[SWC75]

Happy for Eddie O. he's under a lot of pressure to win there, with the most expensive staff in college football. I was glad he got the win. I think if they'd had their star quarterback UCF probably would have beaten them and added their scalp to the one they got from Auburn last year. As it was, they performed credibly against an SEC power who wanted to destroy them.

The announcers seemed to want to use this game to make a case against UCF being in a championship tournament. No one can argue that they would have been an unlikely winner of such a tournament. I just think that every team in a division should have a path to the title or else they shouldn't be in that division. if a team can win all their games and still have no shot at the championship at all, something is wrong.

If only power conference teams should be allowed to compete for a championship, then they should comprise the entire division. Put the "Group of Five" back into FCS when whence most of them came. Let's see Central Florida play North Dakota State for the title. That would be a good game. FCS teams can still play games against the FBS powers. The entire purpose of Division 1AA was to allow teams to be "Division 1" and still have a championship they could win. Failing that, the FBS playoff should be expanded to include the best of such teams. Let them prove themselves - or come up short- on the field, not jsut in people's minds.

 

[orangecuse]

I don't recall calling anyone names here and no I don't take myself too seriously. You stated your opinion, I stated mine.

You posted on a message forum, does there have to be a prior dialog between us for me to totally disagree with something you posted on a public message board for all to see and discuss?

Or were you expecting everyone that read what you posted to agree with you.

Oh, my bad. I should've taken your first engagement with me about "me thinking before I post" and the subsequent, "you've serious issues" as a compliment.

 

[CuseOnly]

Oh, my bad. I should've taken your first engagement with me about "me thinking before I post" and the subsequent, "you've serious issues" as a compliment.

Don't get me wrong, I still think that you saying a 5'11" QB who won't be close to draft board equaling 9DB's, including 2 sure fire NFL draft picks, being out is ridiculous. If that is your opinion I think you should stick with it.

I still don't recall calling anyone names on this board but my memory might be a little fuzzy. Seems a bit childish but maybe I should start.

 

[MSOrange]

Wow this discussion got way more intense than I would have ever expected.

 

[Newhouser]

Both teams looked undisciplined and under coached. 1st half was an embarrassment.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

UCF would get worn out playing 9 P5 teams a year. Their D got torn up by LSU.

 

[Horn88]

No it wasn't. The general point of emphasis I have been attempting to make is that LSU's shorthanded secondary didn't have as much as an impact as losing the most critical position in football, the QB, especially one that is seasoned and very good. And, that with LSU's defensive front being superior, causing a green and unseasoned QB to be under constant duress and pressure, it didn't have the same significance as LSU's db's weren't constantly getting exposed.

I already mentioned what a better, more seasoned QB may do if under constant duress, etc. and that would be, due to being more seasoned, have a better presence under said pressure, therefore being more accurate, in hitting the short slants, or plays designed to avoid the heavy rush, etc.

It wasn't just the secondary though. LSU was down 9 usual starters on defense. The pass rush that caused these problems you're mentioning wasn't even their usual starting group and the UCF starting OL still couldn't handle them.

Also, the idea that UCF being without their quarterback is equivalent or worse than LSU only having 2 starters on defense available is a loud indictment on how wide the gap is between UCF and the upper tier of teams in the country. Especially when UCF's program is built on their offensive firepower and LSU's program is built on their defense.