LSU vs. UCF

[zjscuse]

Lotta whatifs for UCF. Dropping that wide open TD would have made it 34-28 at the time was huge after the punt muff.

Still the dispairity in line play was obvious. If they were trying to prove an AAC team deserves a shot at a NC they failed against the third and 4th string LSU secondary.

you forget that the biggest key to ucf was there qb who got knocked out earlier this year.. This wouldve been a higher scoring game with mckenzie milton.

 

[Finwad32]

you forget that the biggest key to ucf was there qb who got knocked out earlier this year.. This wouldve been a higher scoring game with mckenzie milton.

What about LSU’s 9 defensive players?

 

[orangecuse]

What about LSU’s 9 defensive players?

No way you can compare a starting QB (not to mention that caliber) to defensive players. And, a program like LSU just slides in another 5 star db or lb to take care of their situation since year in and year out they have top 5-10 recruiting classes.

 

[orangenauburn]

No way you can compare a starting QB (not to mention that caliber) to defensive players. And, a program like LSU just slides in another 5 star db or lb to take care of their situation since year in and year out they have top 5-10 recruiting classes.

You can when 9 to 10 players aren't playing

 

[Finwad32]

No way you can compare a starting QB to defensive players. And, a program like LSU just slides in another 5 star db or lb to take care of their situation.

So nearly an entire defense doesn’t compare to the starting QB bc LSU runs a strong program?

Right.

Even if you don’t count the ejections, 7>1. I would take that trade in a heartbeat. It was more than 10% of their entire roster on one side of the ball.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

What about LSU’s 9 defensive players?

First off, two of the guys got ejected for targeting. Then another was suspended for the first half (due to targeting in the prior game), but he played the 2nd half. So the 9 defensive players out is a little overstated. It was really 6: 4 due to injury and 2 opting out in favor of draft prep.

I think losing Milton is about even offset to LSU down 6 defensive players.

 

[Finwad32]

First off, two of the guys got ejected for targeting. Then another was suspended for the first half (due to targeting in the prior game), but he played the 2nd half. So the 9 defensive players out is a little overstated. It was really 6: 4 due to injury and 2 opting out in favor of draft prep.

I think losing Milton is about abundance even offset to LSU down 6 defensive players.

If you read my next post, I factored in the two ejections, first off.

Math wasn’t my strong suit, but I do know 6 is also greater than 1.

I know you love UCF, but it doesn’t make them more short handed today.

The talent disparity was obvious today. I’m glad they haven’t eaten up a spot in the CFP, because they don’t belong.

 

[orangecuse]

You can when 9 to 10 players aren't playing

So nearly an entire defense doesn’t compare to the starting QB bc LSU runs a strong program?

Right.

Even if you don’t count the ejections, 7>1. I would take that trade in a heartbeat. It was more than 10% of their entire roster on one side of the ball.

The point is that the QB by far is the most critical and important position in all of football. You guys know this. Just look what Dungey being out in our ND game did to us. I'm not saying that LSU wasn't affected by it, but not in the magnitude that UCF was since it was at QB, and a stud one at that.

The 9 to 10, even though you've inflated this number, still doesn't change the point that the players playing in lieu of those guys are more 5 star types, albeit much greener.

 

[Alsacs]

No way you can compare a starting QB (not to mention that caliber) to defensive players. And, a program like LSU just slides in another 5 star db or lb to take care of their situation since year in and year out they have top 5-10 recruiting classes.

Greedy Williams is a better player than McKenzie Milton.
Greedy is a top 10 NFL pick and will be the best safety prospect.
That hurt LSU’s D a lot he sat out.
Ed Alexander is a first or second round pick.
These two guys were big losses.
LSU is garbage offensively and they moved the ball all game long.

 

[CuseOnly]

No way you can compare a starting QB (not to mention that caliber) to defensive players. And, a program like LSU just slides in another 5 star db or lb to take care of their situation since year in and year out they have top 5-10 recruiting classes.

Dude, they were playing WR's at corner that hadn't played the position since HS.

I would gladly sub in Tommy Devito for Eric Dungey and take out 9 of the opposing teams DB's. And trade one of their starting corners with a Wide Receiver mid game.

You pick the game on this or next year's schedule and I guarantee we win.

You have to think about what you are saying man.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Greedy Williams is a better player than McKenzie Milton.
Greedy is a top 10 NFL pick and will be the best safety prospect.
That hurt LSU’s D a lot he sat out.
Ed Alexander is a first or second round pick.
These two guys were big losses.
LSU is garbage offensively and they moved the ball all game long.

I think it’s fair to say that losing Milton had a bigger negative impact on UCF than Greedy sitting out for LSU.

Using NFL draft projections for two completely different positions, in two completely different draft classes is a pretty unusual tactic. I’ll give you credit for creativity, but I can’t give you credit sound logic.

 

[orangecuse]

Dude, they were playing WR's at corner that hadn't played the position since HS.

I would gladly sub in Tommy Devito for Eric Dungey and take out 9 of the opposing teams DB's. And trade one of their starting corners with a Wide Receiver mid game.

You pick the game on this or next year's schedule and I guarantee we win.

You have to think about what you are saying man.

You can't guarantee a thing. It's you that needs to think about what you're saying.

 

[4evaOrange]

Glad to hear UCF lost, and I’ve read some stats and all the missing players players argument is valid to an extent, but if everyone plays UCF still loses IMO, and the LSU D would dominate.

How many teams would UCF beat in the top 10 if they had their starting QB?

 

[Entropic]

No way you can compare a starting QB (not to mention that caliber) to defensive players. And, a program like LSU just slides in another 5 star db or lb to take care of their situation since year in and year out they have top 5-10 recruiting classes.

Funny they seemed to be able to beat Memphis with Mack in their conference championship.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Funny they seemed to be able to be Memphis with Mack in their conference championship.

Mack and Memphis both suck.

 

[orangecuse]

Funny they seemed to be able to be Memphis with Mack in their conference championship.

Really? LSU had way more time to prepare than Memphis, and they are much better...it was a factor. I'm not a fan of UCF, so I don't have a horse in the race, the argument I'm attempting to make is only that losing a starting QB (the most crucial position in football) & especially one of stature, is more significant than losing players on D. Especially, when you have a team in LSU that has 5 star guys all over the place, and consistently land top 5-10 recruiting classes.

 

[sufandu]

Here's the thing. UCF is a really good team. There were NOT a playoff caliber team. If they play in a P5 conference they still have a great year but have at least 2 losses. They were big boyed at the LOS today. Over the course of a season in a real conference that would wear them down. Combine that with a what-the-heck game against a decent team like most teams have at some point in the season, and they don't look anywhere near as dominant as they do against their current schedule. Losing to another really good P5 team that had 3 conference losses shows they were right where they belonged. The idea that they are pissed about "only" being in a new year's 6 bowl shows their sense of entitlement and is annoying.

 

[Finwad32]

The point is that the QB by far is the most critical and important position in all of football. You guys know this. Just look what Dungey being out in our ND game did to us. I'm not saying that LSU wasn't affected by it, but not in the magnitude that UCF was since it was a stud QB.

The 9 to 10, even though you've inflated this number, still doesn't change the point that the players playing in lieu of those guys are more 5 star types, albeit much greener.

I agree it’s a critical component. My point is that it didn’t leave them short handed today.

Really? LSU had way more time to prepare than Memphis, and they are much better...it was a factor. I'm not a fan of UCF, so I don't have a horse in the race, the argument I'm attempting to make is only that losing a starting QB (the most crucial position in football) & especially one of stature, is more significant than losing players on D. Especially, when you have a team in LSU that has 5 star guys all over the place, and consistently land top 5-10 recruiting classes.

1 to 1 - I’ll agree with you.

But this is what I’m coming back to. Down 9 to 1, I just can’t. And why they’re out doesn’t really matter in my eyes, out is out.

Milton or not, having 9 guys out from a 9-3 LSU defense should be enough for a CFP Contender. Does Georgia lose to LSU today without their starting QB? Or ND?

 

[Entropic]

That is a point I never thought about. The wear and tear of the P5. Teams are more physical. The games are closer leading to even more physical as well as mental fatigue. UCF has pretty much easy games that are over by halftime all year.

 

[rrlbees]

So glad UCF lost. What a dirty team. They couldn’t beat LSU’s 2nd team defense and showed they didn’t belong in the playoff.

 

[Entropic]

Would UCF win the ACC Coastal?

 

[sufandu]

I agree it’s a critical component. My point is that it didn’t leave them short handed today.

1 to 1 - I’ll agree with you.

But this is what I’m coming back to. Down 9 to 1, I just can’t. And why they’re out doesn’t really matter in my eyes, out is out.

Milton or not, having 9 guys out from a 9-3 LSU defense should be enough for a CFP Contender. Does Georgia lose to LSU today without their starting QB? Or ND?

Right. A playoff caliber team often has their next qb waiting in the wings. Oklahoma replaced last year's heisman winner with... a heisman winner. All three other teams played their back up qb's in significant situations this year, Clemson played their 3rd string RFr to win a game. An elite team may take a step back with the backup in, but their offense won't fall apart.

 

[HOFCeluck]

the nice thing about made up championships is that you can just make up the requirements.

So congrats UCF.

 

[Entropic]

Right. A playoff caliber team often has their next qb waiting in the wings. Oklahoma replaced last year's heisman winner with... a heisman winner. All three other teams played their back up qb's in significant situations this year, Clemson played their 3rd string RFr to win a game. An elite team may take a step back with the backup in, but their offense won't fall apart.

Y'all are much better at making points than I am. I go off gut and then try to explain and end up talking in circles.

 

[sufandu]

So glad UCF lost. What a dirty team. They couldn’t beat LSU’s 2nd team defense and showed they didn’t belong in the playoff.

After that hit on qb after the INT where one guy flexed while another came over to taunt the qb laying on the ground I thought to myself, "Are they trying to be the new Miami Hurricanes?"