Luke Carney in the portal

[CU44SE]

Please. He has a weak arm. Do you really think they wouldn’t let him throw if he could.

They literally recruited him just last year. You’re telling me they didn’t know his arm talent until he reached campus? This is on the coaches.

 

[shu 49]

So Fran recruited him. Doesn’t let him throw. And then says bye??

I can kinda see Frans reasoning behind him telling him to go. Fran wanted him to redshirt and then when Collins was horrible they wanted to use Luke. His parents and him said they would rather not and instead of helping his team this year he chose not too. I as a coach don’t want anyone on my team that isn’t about the team. We all give a little of ourselves to help team and he didn’t wanna. I don’t blame Fran if that’s exactly how it went.

 

[PhatOrange]

I hope they release practice film like James did. Put it to bed once and for all if the kid can throw or not. Filardi might've been the worst quarterback to ever start a Syracuse game.

 

[Blanko97]

Sadly that’s what I heard. I don’t think there was a grand conspiracy theory. He wasn’t supposed to play this year.

If anything question why they recruited him in the first place. Sometimes the bigger schools in Texas know what they’re doing too.

I don’t trust their read on good or bad considering they thought Collins and Filardi had any business being on a D1 football field

 

[Archbold44]

I love how every post is now defending the ineptness of the coaching staff and blaming the fans for not trusting the system..

I was not the one that recruited 3 freshmen QB with the expectation that none of them would play.

I was not the one that listed Carney as QB#3.

I was not the one that played him in the Colgate game, instead of Villari or Fillardi, who we are led to believe is just so much better of a QB. We could have just taken a knee too.

I was not the one that put him in the Pitt game when Collins was struggling. If FIllardi was so much better that Carney, why not use him then???

I am not the one that started Fillardi and led to an embarrassment of 21 pts off our offense/special teams.
I am not the one that put Carney in at that point. Why not put Collins in? If the team could not explain to Collins that he was going to be QB#2 to Fillardi, then they are terrible communicators. Why does QB1 (Collins) drop off the map completely just because FIllardi or anyone else gets a start? Same with the UNC game. Rickie--we are giving FIllardi a try, but be ready to go in if necessary and be the hero. He played against Miami, so it's not like he quit on the team at that point.

What I did see is that Carney was, by far, the fastest of our QBs. He was also the only one to not turn the ball over in his limited work. Sure, he only had X number of plays. How many plays did it take Fillardi to embarass us against ND?

If running is Carney's primary skill, despite 10,000 high school passing yards, why did we recruit him to THIS system? If running is his primary skill, then why not tailor the offense to him for a game? We already have other running QBs to run the scout team. Perhaps a third pass-first QB for our system? Who runs the scout team when we are up against a pass-first QB? Nobody?

 

[Newhouser]

Good, bad, diva parents, red shirt insistence, whatever - how and when he was used was crazy. Also not sure how anyone can judge his skill set based on game action. We can judge every other QB's but not his.

This whole situation has me questioning Fran more than Carney.

 

[CuseBlood44]

What a joke.

Why? It was a wasted season should’ve had him come in for the Pitt game and let it rip, then maybe if he was doing well you have that talk with him. But after the bowl game was gone and season was over, Fran would be doing what Ryan day did to McCord if he burned it

 

[SU68]

Read the tea leaves and be thankful we have such sources.

True, but I don't know which sources are legit and which are trolls.

 

[Archbold44]

Good, bad, diva parents, red shirt insistence, whatever - how and when he was used was crazy. Also not sure how anyone can judge his skill set based on game action. We can judge every other QB's but not his.

This whole situation has me questioning Fran more than Carney.

Also... "let's leak rumors that he was a problem kid or had a problem family." You couldn't tell that during recruiting???

We have issues with diva parents? We might want to stop recruiting 4 and 5 star players. Or this Toosi or whatever. You think Calvin Russell's team is going to be easy to deal with?

This was a leak/hole in a wooden boat... and instead of using other wood to patch it... they keep cutting other holes in the boat to try to fix the first hole... and that is not working. It's not making them look better and it is only making them look worse.

And if anyone has REAL details that they can share, then do so. But, to make insinuations of a problem kid or problem family without sharing the specifics... that is rude and improper.

 

[Atlcuse44]

I can't recall what other QBs we recruited last year (& to be honest, I am too lazy to go look). But didn't we whiff on a bunch? With limited options, maybe the staff took a flyer on Carney (maybe a diamond in the rough?). Thinking that they had a year to evaluate & see if they could coach him up (never anticipating that they would need him to actually play).

Still, it is very concerning when you see other peer teams (e.g. Pitt-Heintschel) recruit QBs who can step in and play immediately.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Also... "let's leak rumors that he was a problem kid or had a problem family." You couldn't tell that during recruiting???

We have issues with diva parents? We might want to stop recruiting 4 and 5 star players. Or this Toosi or whatever. You think Calvin Russell's team is going to be easy to deal with?

This was a leak/hole in a wooden boat... and instead of using other wood to patch it... they keep cutting other holes in the boat to try to fix the first hole... and that is not working. It's not making them look better and it is only making them look worse.

And if anyone has REAL details that they can share, then do so. But, to make insinuations of a problem kid or problem family without sharing the specifics... that is rude and improper.

I never said anything about a problem kid or family. And to be clear, I never heard anything of that nature either. I only heard about his performance in practice and that other folks outplayed him. It happens.

We've hyped many under-recruited kids in the past. Everyone thought Lamson was going to be a star. Countless kids like this.

I do question why we recruited someone like him when he wasn't a fit for our system but with the portal, that's less of a concern. You can see who works or doesn't in practice and move on.

Obviously the bigger issue was whiffing on Rickie and not having a capable backup. Most staffs won't have three solid QBs. We've only had to debate this nonsense on QB3 vs Qb4 because of how bad Rickie was in game situations. If anything, Fran/Nixon should have ignored the critics and just kept Rickie in.

 

[mustacheovich]

We had a generational QB putting up record passing numbers last season and the best we could do as far as a HS recruit was this?

Sorry, but that’s pretty pathetic.

This is what I keep coming back to when it comes to Carney discussion, why couldn't we pull in better QB recruits after the year McCord had? Exiting spring ball we had zero P4 level quarterbacks on roster after maybe the greatest single season by an SU QB. Very odd trend for a staff that is regarded for their recruiting that they can't bring in a competent high school prospect. I also wonder if Nixon's system is just not built for inexperienced or below average QB's to succeed in any way.

 

[soocher4]

Also... "let's leak rumors that he was a problem kid or had a problem family." You couldn't tell that during recruiting???

We have issues with diva parents? We might want to stop recruiting 4 and 5 star players. Or this Toosi or whatever. You think Calvin Russell's team is going to be easy to deal with?

This was a leak/hole in a wooden boat... and instead of using other wood to patch it... they keep cutting other holes in the boat to try to fix the first hole... and that is not working. It's not making them look better and it is only making them look worse.

And if anyone has REAL details that they can share, then do so. But, to make insinuations of a problem kid or problem family without sharing the specifics... that is rude and improper.

I did state facts go read my post. Have had conversations with his mom. She has even sat in my seats before.

 

[PAcuse]

Be transparent. The cagey cloak and dagger stuff is what frustrates people.

I don't think all things can be realized (full details) and people try to provide what they can.
Not knowing full details sucks but knowing somethings is better imo.
Lots of folks are open to share via DM.
If it gets to frustrating the ignore feature is great or even just logging off the site.
All I'm saying is be happy we can get any information the way people get chased off this board .

 

[PAcuse]

This is what I keep coming back to when it comes to Carney discussion, why couldn't we pull in better QB recruits after the year McCord had? Exiting spring ball we had zero P4 level quarterbacks on roster after maybe the greatest single season by an SU QB. Very odd trend for a staff that is regarded for their recruiting that they can't bring in a competent high school prospect. I also wonder if Nixon's system is just not built for inexperienced or below average QB's to succeed in any way.

Money would be my guess. Looking over the list of P4 QBs that portaled last year big boys ended up with most of the good ones.
It was Angeli considered us last year but we ended with McCord.
I'm guessing the plan was to take a flyer on Rickie and if Angeli did not win the starter ND job he woudl come here.
If Angeli did then we woudl have had to pivot.
Not a great plan but we didn't have a lot of relationships with portal QBs last year.

 

[Archbold44]

I don't think all things can be realized (full details) and people try to provide what they can.
Not knowing full details sucks but knowing somethings is better imo.
Lots of folks are open to share via DM.
If it gets to frustrating the ignore feature is great or even just logging off the site.
All I'm saying is be happy we can get any information the way people get chased off this board .

If it cannot be shared publicly, then it should not be hinted at either.

If I said "Look, it's not a bad thing that the moderators kicked out PAcuse. A lot more going on there than I can discuss. DM if you want the details."

Does that not make you look bad???? At that point, might as well tell the story and let people judge.

 

[Archbold44]

All I see is something about he and his parents wanted to stay. That does not make Carney look like a bad kid or his parents look like divas. How does this justify the "Look, trust us, it's better that this kid is gone...we can/should do better... worst QB on the roster"... mantra I am hearing from some on here?

I did state facts go read my post. Have had conversations with his mom. She has even sat in my seats before

 

[bnoro]

What good is a source if we have to read foliage? Words are better.

Here we go again! Those damn information vacuums!

 

[richmondcuse03]

Money would be my guess. Looking over the list of P4 QBs that portaled last year big boys ended up with most of the good ones.
It was Angeli considered us last year but we ended with McCord.
I'm guessing the plan was to take a flyer on Rickie and if Angeli did not win the starter ND job he woudl come here.
If Angeli did then we woudl have had to pivot.
Not a great plan but we didn't have a lot of relationships with portal QBs last year.

I don't even think it was money. They spent a lot on Rickie (and more than has been hinted at). I think if you're going after portal guys, you better have college game film on them. I think you're seeing that with the names we're rumored with -- even if they're at a lower level or conference, there's more game film to evaluate them on. Rickie had none.

 

[dwilmont44]

I find it funny how if you say a recruit isn't that good you'll be lambasted but a year later when they leave everyone agrees they weren't good enough.

 

[javadoc]

I find it funny how if you say a recruit isn't that good you'll be lambasted but a year later when they leave everyone agrees they weren't good enough.

So no knowledge was gained in that intervening year?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I love how every post is now defending the ineptness of the coaching staff and blaming the fans for not trusting the system..

I was not the one that recruited 3 freshmen QB with the expectation that none of them would play.

I was not the one that listed Carney as QB#3.

I was not the one that played him in the Colgate game, instead of Villari or Fillardi, who we are led to believe is just so much better of a QB. We could have just taken a knee too.

I was not the one that put him in the Pitt game when Collins was struggling. If FIllardi was so much better that Carney, why not use him then???

I am not the one that started Fillardi and led to an embarrassment of 21 pts off our offense/special teams.
I am not the one that put Carney in at that point. Why not put Collins in? If the team could not explain to Collins that he was going to be QB#2 to Fillardi, then they are terrible communicators. Why does QB1 (Collins) drop off the map completely just because FIllardi or anyone else gets a start? Same with the UNC game. Rickie--we are giving FIllardi a try, but be ready to go in if necessary and be the hero. He played against Miami, so it's not like he quit on the team at that point.

What I did see is that Carney was, by far, the fastest of our QBs. He was also the only one to not turn the ball over in his limited work. Sure, he only had X number of plays. How many plays did it take Fillardi to embarass us against ND?

If running is Carney's primary skill, despite 10,000 high school passing yards, why did we recruit him to THIS system? If running is his primary skill, then why not tailor the offense to him for a game? We already have other running QBs to run the scout team. Perhaps a third pass-first QB for our system? Who runs the scout team when we are up against a pass-first QB? Nobody?

This is a really thorough summation of the weirdness.

 

[dwilmont44]

So no knowledge was gained in that intervening year?

Some people are slow to realize it I guess

 

[cayugacuse]

This is what I keep coming back to when it comes to Carney discussion, why couldn't we pull in better QB recruits after the year McCord had? Exiting spring ball we had zero P4 level quarterbacks on roster after maybe the greatest single season by an SU QB. Very odd trend for a staff that is regarded for their recruiting that they can't bring in a competent high school prospect. I also wonder if Nixon's system is just not built for inexperienced or below average QB's to succeed in any way.

The landscape for recruiting has changed and continues to change as teams and players adjust to the new rules and NIL. Fran is still behind in HS recruiting as QB's are locked up a couple years in advance. Check out the list of top 2027 QB's on 247. A good share have committed already and the ones left are not in our region (Ca, Tx, Az). We have a generous amount of QB offers out to 2028 kids.

 

[tep624]

I don't even think it was money. They spent a lot on Rickie (and more than has been hinted at). I think if you're going after portal guys, you better have college game film on them. I think you're seeing that with the names we're rumored with -- even if they're at a lower level or conference, there's more game film to evaluate them on. Rickie had none.

So effectively they whiffed on Rickie, they whiffed on Carney, and Jakhari was still on the roster but effectively useless for us.

Still wondering if flirting with McCord coming back shot them in the foot.