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Luke Carney

I can promise you that Carney is a better QB than Filardi. Even in the limit game action with limit throws you can already see that. What is the reason he isn’t playing then? My guess is Carney or the Carneys already had the conversation with Fran and told him they are leaving. If you go back to Frans interviews he said basically either you are with us or you are out my guess is Carney is out.

I have to think that because the way he is being used that is the only thing that makes sense

Filardi is a walk on lacrosse player that was fifth string. It’s coaching malpractice that he saw any live game action.

I am shocked at how many people can’t see how dangerous it is to even put him out there at all.
 
I can promise you that Carney is a better QB than Filardi. Even in the limit game action with limit throws you can already see that. What is the reason he isn’t playing then? My guess is Carney or the Carneys already had the conversation with Fran and told him they are leaving. If you go back to Frans interviews he said basically either you are with us or you are out my guess is Carney is out.

I have to think that because the way he is being used that is the only thing that makes sense

It's obviously this. The writing isn't just on the wall, it's written in flashing neon lights.
 
Only thing that makes sense is the staff is TRYING to get Jakhari/Carney/Belin to transfer out because they've seen enough to know they aren't good enough.

You could probably find a kid in Shaw Hall tomorrow that could play QB as well as Filardi
Fran is out at Hookway today for the flag football intramural battle of Shaw 4 vs. Dellplain 6. He's looking at the Shaw kid for the BC game.
 
I can promise you that Carney is a better QB than Filardi. Even in the limit game action with limit throws you can already see that. What is the reason he isn’t playing then? My guess is Carney or the Carneys already had the conversation with Fran and told him they are leaving. If you go back to Frans interviews he said basically either you are with us or you are out my guess is Carney is out.

I have to think that because the way he is being used that is the only thing that makes sense
Nixon is the problem. Fran needs to get rid of him and bring in someone who can adapt the offense to whatever talent you happen to have. This isn't the NFL where you can get players to fit your offense.
 
They got Ricky before Luke was on campus and they also paid him, there wasn’t going to be a real competition between him and Collins. Then Collins was bad so it went to Angeli thank goodness. I think the malpractice in his handling is the 1-2 series in the games he played without ever giving him a real shot. They wouldn’t even let him throw down field despite the fact that they threw out Collins over and over and then Filardi. It was a garbage showing on all fronts when it comes to coaching. I don’t believe for a second he could be any worse than Filardi.
I think I hear what you are saying...but if Carney was as good or better than Filardi and your plan is to redshirt him, what is the problem with how he was used? Maybe, just maybe, the Coaches don't think he is better than Filardi! We have no clue..only the coaches know fr sure what they see in practice. The limited action I saw with Carney, I am not thrilled that he is the future.
 
Nixon is the problem. Fran needs to get rid of him and bring in someone who can adapt the offense to whatever talent you happen to have. This isn't the NFL where you can get players to fit your offense.
What talent did we have with Ricky at QB...that could have been used differently? Wildcat? Wishbone? What scheme fits a team with a poor offensive line and QB's that can't read coverage?
 
I think I hear what you are saying...but if Carney was as good or better than Filardi and your plan is to redshirt him, what is the problem with how he was used? Maybe, just maybe, the Coaches don't think he is better than Filardi! We have no clue..only the coaches know fr sure what they see in practice. The limited action I saw with Carney, I am not thrilled that he is the future.
Somewhere along the line, despite his early commitment, joining for spring ball, and being QB3 coming out of fall camp, the staff (my money is on Nixon) decided that they didn't like his game enough to commit to giving him a realistic try, despite other guys putting up historically terrible numbers. Repeatedly.

Carney is reportedly intelligent. He's gotten the message. He's not valued and they don't believe in him, to an extreme degree given what the staff has shown they'll tolerate from QB "performance."

It's best for everyone to part ways.
 
How could anyone possibly tell? How many snaps did he get this season? 30? I don't think he played more than 2 drives in any game.


Probably because Fran spent the summer talking about how unbelievably close the QB competition was. And come to find out, that was a lie. Obviously Angeli was miles better than Collins. So why believe anything Fran says about the QB room? He's shown that he lies about it.

This is not to say I think Carney's any good. He probably isn't. But it's not difficult to understand why people wanted to see that with their own eyes. And see it for an actual half, or even a whole game.
Fran told us...multiple times when asked, that Ricky gave us the best option to win. Instead of believing him, we demanded to see the bench.....and what did that result in? Putting players out on the field at QB, who just graduated from High School. and were grossly unprepared to lead a Power 4 program. Fans need to trust the professional coaches ...who cares about what we want to see with our own eyes. Look at what that got us! I think public pressure and incessant questioning about the reserves behind Collins, may have influenced the coaches in playing two QB's who were not ready to play at all. I think it would would have been best for all involved , to have stuck with Ricky the entire season, bit the bullet and stood up to the public pressure, then do what he did...play a walk on QB just out of HS nad sub him with another Freshman, Carney. I believe the coaches knew those guys couldn't play and gave us no chance to win. We were in an impossible situation here with this QB situation after Angeli got hurt. Nothing we could have done, would have produced a different outcome IMO...I just dont see it...do you?
 
I think the plan going into yesterday's game was for Filardi to play vs. ND and Carney to play vs. B.C. But when Filardi was being shellacked in the 1st qtr they decided they needed to give him a break and I suppose let him collect himself so he could go back in. They weren't going to put in Rickie so they threw Carney in there, thus burning his 4th game. Thus they can't play him vs. B.C. without burning his redshirt which they've said they're not going to do. So, that leaves the question -- who will go in next week if Filardi needs a break or, God forbid, is injured? Rickie? Who else is there? Villari maybe?
This “plan” was just rumored online. I don’t think it was reality for what it’s worth.

The truth is Joe outplayed the other backup guys throughout fall practice. And Rickie just freezes up in games and makes bad decisions. After Rickie they’re all freshman so it’s a matter of who was playing the best in practice. Not exactly a great choice.

The issue was whiffing on Rickie. They tried to avoid playing Luke or Joe for quite a while. Rickie had a long leash. There’s a reason the leash was so long despite the results. They hoped it would click because they knew the alternatives weren’t as talented.
 
This “plan” was just rumored online. I don’t think it was reality for what it’s worth.

The truth is Joe outplayed the other backup guys throughout fall practice. And Rickie just freezes up in games and makes bad decisions. After Rickie they’re all freshman so it’s a matter of who was playing the best in practice. Not exactly a great choice.

The issue was whiffing on Rickie. They tried to avoid playing Luke or Joe for quite a while. Rickie had a long leash. There’s a reason the leash was so long despite the results. They hoped it would click because they knew the alternatives weren’t as talented.
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So you're saying Belin gets the ball next Saturday?

😉
 
This “plan” was just rumored online. I don’t think it was reality for what it’s worth.

The truth is Joe outplayed the other backup guys throughout fall practice. And Rickie just freezes up in games and makes bad decisions. After Rickie they’re all freshman so it’s a matter of who was playing the best in practice. Not exactly a great choice.

The issue was whiffing on Rickie. They tried to avoid playing Luke or Joe for quite a while. Rickie had a long leash. There’s a reason the leash was so long despite the results. They hoped it would click because they knew the alternatives weren’t as talented.
As a fan I was hoping for a Doug Flutie situation, where he was so buried on the depth chart as a freshman that we was given number 22. Finally got a chance to play late in his first season and the rest is history. Oh well...
 
I think I hear what you are saying...but if Carney was as good or better than Filardi and your plan is to redshirt him, what is the problem with how he was used? Maybe, just maybe, the Coaches don't think he is better than Filardi! We have no clue..only the coaches know fr sure what they see in practice. The limited action I saw with Carney, I am not thrilled that he is the future.
Well clearly Filardi is bad, so I stand by the idea that you cannot do worse. You should see if he is a game day hero.And regardless putting him in for like 6 plays for 4 weeks is also dumb
 
Fran told us...multiple times when asked, that Ricky gave us the best option to win. Instead of believing him, we demanded to see the bench...and what did that result in? Putting players out on the field at QB, who just graduated from High School. and were grossly unprepared to lead a Power 4 program. Fans need to trust the professional coaches ...who cares about what we want to see with our own eyes. Look at what that got us! I think public pressure and incessant questioning about the reserves behind Collins, may have influenced the coaches in playing two QB's who were not ready to play at all. I think it would would have been best for all involved , to have stuck with Ricky the entire season, bit the bullet and stood up to the public pressure, then do what he did...play a walk on QB just out of HS nad sub him with another Freshman, Carney. I believe the coaches knew those guys couldn't play and gave us no chance to win. We were in an impossible situation here with this QB situation after Angeli got hurt. Nothing we could have done, would have produced a different outcome IMO...I just dont see it...do you?
If the fans influenced Fran’s QB decision making then that’s incredibly concerning and a very bad sign for his head coaching future.

That aside, yes, coaches are professionals and see the players in practice every day. Yet, coaches make mistakes all the time. The idea that we’re supposed to just swallow whole what the coaches feed us is silly.

Fran lied all summer about the competition between Angeli and Collins. No one should be taken to task for not believing him when he peddled his QB evaluations the last 2 months.
 
Fran told us...multiple times when asked, that Ricky gave us the best option to win. Instead of believing him, we demanded to see the bench...and what did that result in? Putting players out on the field at QB, who just graduated from High School. and were grossly unprepared to lead a Power 4 program. Fans need to trust the professional coaches ...who cares about what we want to see with our own eyes. Look at what that got us! I think public pressure and incessant questioning about the reserves behind Collins, may have influenced the coaches in playing two QB's who were not ready to play at all. I think it would would have been best for all involved , to have stuck with Ricky the entire season, bit the bullet and stood up to the public pressure, then do what he did...play a walk on QB just out of HS nad sub him with another Freshman, Carney. I believe the coaches knew those guys couldn't play and gave us no chance to win. We were in an impossible situation here with this QB situation after Angeli got hurt. Nothing we could have done, would have produced a different outcome IMO...I just dont see it...do you?

Sounds like you are blaming the fans and media. I listen to most of the press conferences. I didn't hear incessant questions about anything. As much as I believe in Fran, the staff are the only ones to blame for not having a credible QB past Steve. Is what it is. We learn, support our guys and move on.
 
Sounds like you are blaming the fans and media. I listen to most of the press conferences. I didn't hear incessant questions about anything. As much as I believe in Fran, the staff are the only ones to blame for not having a credible QB past Steve. Is what it is. We learn, support our guys and move on.
Not blaming the media and the fans...All I am saying is: Fans don't know anything! All they know ..is what they want! The fans wanted to see replacements for Collins...they got it...and they are still talking Smack! Yes, it is the coaching staff can take the blame, it is their jobs that are on the line....but, how this played out was very predictable. The house of cards started to crumble when they missed on their evaluation of Collins. Maybe they should have brought in 2 QB's with Steve and paid big money for to have 3 starting level QB's, behind Angeli, that is the only thing that would have fixed this!
 
Well clearly Filardi is bad, so I stand by the idea that you cannot do worse. You should see if he is a game day hero.And regardless putting him in for like 6 plays for 4 weeks is also dumb
When Collins was starting...the same argument was put forward...clearly collins is bad, you can't do worse, thus we got Filardi and Carney...who were as bad if not worse. Why can't we all just admit, Fran's statement about Collins giving us the best chance to win...as bad as we was, was the truth and sometimes the truth is ugly and painful..but is is the truth!
 
When Collins was starting...the same argument was put forward...clearly collins is bad, you can't do worse, thus we got Filardi and Carney...who were as bad if not worse. Why can't we all just admit, Fran's statement about Collins giving us the best chance to win...as bad as we was, was the truth and sometimes the truth is ugly and painful..but is is the truth!
You are talking garbage.

#1, Fans do not decide who plays in games, coaches do. We don't get to demand anything. And if coaches listen to fans, then they need to find a new job.

#2. I think the average fan actually wanted to see Carney for 1/2 a game and we sure as heck have not gotten that. [If I go to a restaurant and they are pushing the steak on me... no, I don't want that... what else do you have? You cannot have anything else... this is our best meal. Well, I think I see fried chicken on the menu, why can't I have that? Fine, if you don't want steak, here is spam. You should have stuck with the steak. Look what your demanding did for you. Who do you think you are? We know our menu better than you do, fool.]

#3, Rickie could not avoid turnovers. At THAT point, it does become a "what else do we have? Hey, how about the guy you played at Colgate. Will he be a turnover machine?" One does not have to bench a QB to give the other one playing time. Rickie is our QB, but we are going to get Carney a series or two to see what he can do. Carney has yet to look great, but he has yet to turn the ball over either. He got some first downs against Pitt and did not turn the ball over. The smart thing to do against UNC was to start Carney and go to Collins if/when Carney stalled. The dumb thing to do was start Filardi and waste the whole game, except for one Carney drive--which should have been Collins. I am not sure how it could have been handled worse. And Collins should have started against ND, with the plan to give Filardi PT if/when the game was settled. And then the same for BC with Carney and/or Filardi. This is not rocket science. It's how competent coaches do things.
 
You are talking garbage.

#1, Fans do not decide who plays in games, coaches do. We don't get to demand anything. And if coaches listen to fans, then they need to find a new job.

#2. I think the average fan actually wanted to see Carney for 1/2 a game and we sure as heck have not gotten that. [If I go to a restaurant and they are pushing the steak on me... no, I don't want that... what else do you have? You cannot have anything else... this is our best meal. Well, I think I see fried chicken on the menu, why can't I have that? Fine, if you don't want steak, here is spam. You should have stuck with the steak. Look what your demanding did for you. Who do you think you are? We know our menu better than you do, fool.]

#3, Rickie could not avoid turnovers. At THAT point, it does become a "what else do we have? Hey, how about the guy you played at Colgate. Will he be a turnover machine?" One does not have to bench a QB to give the other one playing time. Rickie is our QB, but we are going to get Carney a series or two to see what he can do. Carney has yet to look great, but he has yet to turn the ball over either. He got some first downs against Pitt and did not turn the ball over. The smart thing to do against UNC was to start Carney and go to Collins if/when Carney stalled. The dumb thing to do was start Filardi and waste the whole game, except for one Carney drive--which should have been Collins. I am not sure how it could have been handled worse. And Collins should have started against ND, with the plan to give Filardi PT if/when the game was settled. And then the same for BC with Carney and/or Filardi. This is not rocket science. It's how competent coaches do things.
Your comments just supports what I am trying to articulate. You are the average fan... Ricky was horrible!!! There is no dispute there...but there was nothing behind him...nothing. All this talk about Carney should have played more..., should have subbed in Filardi...etc.... is all bogus when, as politely as they could without publicly criticizing players, told all of us..in spite of how Ricky is playing, he gives us the best option to win! But, as you said, the average fan just couldn't believe that. The average fans don't see what these guys do in practice. Fans are just pissed that this season turned out the way that it did. It is hard to believe that we didn;t have a third or 4th QB that could win a game..how many teams do? The big negative of this season, was the coaching staff missing out on their evaluation of Ricky Collins. There is very little chance that true freshman are ready to lead a team in Power 4...unless they are extremely gifted...I have not seen that from Filardi or Carney. they may develop...but that will take time. When things are going bad, you look for answers...and if still unsuccessful, then comes the blame game. Young inexperienced QB's need support...that support can come from conservative play calling to limit mistakes, other players stepping up and making big individual plays, we saw none of that. The offensive line was atrocious when it came to pass protection and run blocking. The receivers made no 50-50 catches, the running backs made no one miss for long gains...and let's not talk about the defense. There will be a lot of discussion and self evaluation in this off season for sure.
 

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