Malik Brown Leaving Vols

[OburgOrange]

Guess I need to read rather than scan. Oh Lord

 

[wfschrec]

Guess I need to read rather than scan. Oh Lord

Yep

 

[Scooch]

what did anything in my post make you think of spite? my post was totally based on how he has performed (or not) since he left high school. if he was in the 2 deep for Tenn and wanted to transfer to Cuse I would be all for it. however i don't see why we need to take a chance on a kid who has already battled injuries, and managed to get buried on another teams depth chart.

And I'm saying that I doubt you understand the full scope of his performance and injuries at Tennessee, and neither do I or anyone else on this board.

Seems silly to me to be dismissing someone out of hand.

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

I have to agree with those that say bring him in if he's interested playing for SU. You want the best players at each position and he was recruited hard because the staff saw potential. But no guarantees to the kid, he comes in and competes like everyone else and the best player starts - simple. The worst that could happen is that he doesn't cut it and we still have the best player we have starting.

After suffering through Drew Allen's poor play as a starter for too many games, I think the staff is a little wiser about all this, best players on the field.

(To Drew Allen's situation, I get that he came in real late before the season so he needed the time and probably the reason the staff continued to start him. Just a guess, I don't know ).

 

[Zcuse]

We all need to get more thick skinned (I over-used my "hardnosed" quota for a while) when it comes to recruits. If he can help the team, SS would bring him on. I'd imagine they'd have plenty of conversation before that ever potentially happened. Iff SS feels too burned (like Malik showed poor character in the way he handled the flip internally-that we are not aware of), we likely let him go his own way. Even if we were burned, I do think kids can make mistakes, and be forgiven for them if they are truly regretful/sorry.

Let me throw this option out there. Let's say he does come to SU, and succeeds. In that case, he would be the perfect person to talk to the recruits we will be competing for in the future. He can say "You know, in my heart I knew 'Cuse was a home for me and I felt it for months, but I chose the bright lights of the SEC at the last second. It wasn't for me, and I knew it quickly, and got out of there. Thankfully Syracuse gave me a second chance. Don't waste your time like I did, we're building something big here at SU"...

It has a chance to be a good story in the end.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Trust the coaches, enough said

 

[Whitey23]

Trust the coaches, enough said

Yep

 

[nzm136]

In general, if a kid commits to SU, decommits from SU, goes somewhere else, and then wants to go back to SU, I have no problem taking him back so long as he helps the team. However, I think that this kid has to many red flags to make me comfortable. If I was HCSS and he wanted to play for SU again, I would re-evaluate him from ground zero, and take him if I thought that he would help. However, odds are, I would simply end up offering to let him try to walk on (provided that he could get into SU, which is a big if, given he got the name wrong when he decommitted - we are NOT the University of Syracuse) and when he inevitably said no, I would respond by wishing him the best of luck and suggesting that he try contacting either USF or one of the Michigan directionals. I'm pretty sure that EMU will take any warm body.

 

[nzm136]

Out of curiosity, dos anyone have an explanation of his rating system? For example, what were the categories, and what were the scores?

 

[bnoro]

In general, if a kid commits to SU, decommits from SU, goes somewhere else, and then wants to go back to SU, I have no problem taking him back so long as he helps the team. However, I think that this kid has to many red flags to make me comfortable. If I was HCSS and he wanted to play for SU again, I would re-evaluate him from ground zero, and take him if I thought that he would help. However, odds are, I would simply end up offering to let him try to walk on (provided that he could get into SU, which is a big if, given he got the name wrong when he decommitted - we are NOT the University of Syracuse) and when he inevitably said no, I would respond by wishing him the best of luck and suggesting that he try contacting either USF or one of the Michigan directionals. I'm pretty sure that EMU will take any warm body.

Are you actually saying you wouldn't offer the kid a scholarship because he got our name wrong? Who cares?

 

[cuseman404]

Are you actually saying you wouldn't offer the kid a scholarship because he got our name wrong? Who cares?

Does anybody know if we are actively recruiting him?

 

[cuseinchina]

In general, if a kid commits to SU, decommits from SU, goes somewhere else, and then wants to go back to SU, I have no problem taking him back so long as he helps the team. However, I think that this kid has to many red flags to make me comfortable. If I was HCSS and he wanted to play for SU again, I would re-evaluate him from ground zero, and take him if I thought that he would help. However, odds are, I would simply end up offering to let him try to walk on (provided that he could get into SU, which is a big if, given he got the name wrong when he decommitted - we are NOT the University of Syracuse) and when he inevitably said no, I would respond by wishing him the best of luck and suggesting that he try contacting either USF or one of the Michigan directionals. I'm pretty sure that EMU will take any warm body.

What are the specific red flags you are referencing? Is it because he changes his mind last minute and decided to go to an SEC school while our coaching staff rapidly fell apart also at the last minute? or is the red flag that he spoke positively about the school he chose and said he made a list and preferred the lace he decided to play at based on that list?

man this guy has bad actor written all over him.

 

[cuseincincy]

What are the specific red flags you are referencing? Is it because he changes his mind last minute and decided to go to an SEC school while our coaching staff rapidly fell apart also at the last minute? or is the red flag that he spoke positively about the school he chose and said he made a list and preferred the lace he decided to play at based on that list?

man this guy has bad actor written all over him.

Don't forget "injury plagued red-shirt freshman season." That's a red flag fer sure. :bat:

 

[nzm136]

Are you actually saying you wouldn't offer the kid a scholarship because he got our name wrong? Who cares?

No. I'm actually saying that he probably isn't that bright because he got our name wrong. Who commits to a school without knowing its name? That doesn't exactly scream genius.

If you actually read my post, I clearly say that I would offer a scholarship if he helps the team. I'm just not sure that he would. So, unless he was able to convince me otherwise, instead of burning a scholarship on what I think is a losing investment, I would offer to let him enroll at SU and then try to earn a spot, just like every other student. However, that would require him getting admitted to SU, which is where being a dim bulb would come into play.

 

[nzm136]

What are the specific red flags you are referencing? Is it because he changes his mind last minute and decided to go to an SEC school while our coaching staff rapidly fell apart also at the last minute? or is the red flag that he spoke positively about the school he chose and said he made a list and preferred the lace he decided to play at based on that list?

man this guy has bad actor written all over him.

No, I'm referencing the fact that he had an injury plagued year last year and is leaving an organization after only 9 months. The injuries speak for themselves, but the leaving could mean multiply things: he may have been recruited over/ out recruited, he may have trouble fitting into an organization at the BCS level, he may lack commitment/dedication, or he may have simply realized the error of his ways. However, the majority of those range from bad to very bad.

Unless you're cool with injuries, possible attitude problems, possible commitment problems, and possible talent/work ethic problems, then there are red flags all over him that merit an investigation. Like I said in my post, I would look into it, but my guts tells me that he's not a good deal for SU.

 

[cuseinchina]

No, I'm referencing the fact that he had an injury plagued year last year and is leaving an organization after only 9 months. The injuries speak for themselves, but the leaving could mean multiply things: he may have been recruited over/ out recruited, he may have trouble fitting into an organization at the BCS level, he may lack commitment/dedication, or he may have simply realized the error of his ways. However, the majority of those range from bad to very bad.

Unless you're cool with injuries, possible attitude problems, possible commitment problems, and possible talent/work ethic problems, then there are red flags all over him that merit an investigation. Like I said in my post, I would look into it, but my guts tells me that he's not a good deal for SU.

You may well be right. But I just don't think his decision to go to Tennessee at the last minute has anything to do with it, and that has been the focus of much of this thread. Coaches can judge the rest.

 

[bnoro]

No. I'm actually saying that he probably isn't that bright because he got our name wrong. Who commits to a school without knowing its name? That doesn't exactly scream genius.

If you actually read my post, I clearly say that I would offer a scholarship if he helps the team. I'm just not sure that he would.

Kids like to say "I'm committing to the university of..." when they have these ceremonies so they can build suspense. When people ask where you went to school do you say Syracuse University or just Syracuse? As long as he knows the program and where he's spending the next few years of his life i don't care if they call us Syracuse Boarding School.

 

[nzm136]

You may well be right. But I just don't think his decision to go to Tennessee at the last minute has anything to do with it, and that has been the focus of much of this thread. Coaches can judge the rest.

I agree. Obviously I would rather not have kids flip, but we should focus on how to position ourselves for the future, not avenge the past. We agree on that.

 

[nzm136]

Kids like to say "I'm committing to the university of..." when they have these ceremonies so they can build suspense. When people ask where you went to school do you say Syracuse University or just Syracuse? As long as he knows the program and where he's spending the next few years of his life i don't care if they call us Syracuse Boarding School.

I think that you are missing my point, and watch the presser his statement was definitely not intended to build dispense.

I'm not sure what your point about Syr v. SU is. Neither are incorrect. However the University of Syracuse is absolutely incorrect. I'm also not sure what your point about him spending 4 years here is about. He didn't come here. He committed to Tennessee. In fact, he will probably never attend Syracuse.

 

[nzm136]

Bnoro, you don't seem to be getting my point. If the coaches aren't interested in him, and he wants to play for the orange, then he will have to enroll like a normal student and then walk on. Syracuse has an admissions department tasked with choosing the best available candidates for admittance. This kid almost committed to college without learning the name of the college. How smart do you think the kid is? We only sent him a couple hundred letters/emails/packets/shirts etc. with our name on it. That kind of perceptiveness/intelligence doesn't exactly scream "pick me" to an admissions officer who doesn't care how good at football he was 2 years ago, does it?

 

[TheCusian]

Bnoro, you don't seem to be getting my point. If the coaches aren't interested in him, and he wants to play for the orange, then he will have to enroll like a normal student and then walk on. Syracuse has an admissions department tasked with choosing the best available candidates for admittance. This kid almost committed to college without learning the name of the college. How smart do you think the kid is? We only sent him a couple hundred letters/emails/packets/shirts etc. with our name on it. That kind of perceptiveness/intelligence doesn't exactly scream "pick me" to an admissions officer who doesn't care how good at football he was 2 years ago, does it?

Kids are young and nervous. To attribute anything they say during that moment to a lack of intelligence is jackassery.

 

[nzm136]

Kids are young and nervous. To attribute anything they say during that moment to a lack of intelligence is jackassery.

No. Attributing good academics to UT is jackassery. Knowing the name of the school that just spent months recruiting you is a pretty low bar.

 

[bnoro]

Bnoro, you don't seem to be getting my point. If the coaches aren't interested in him, and he wants to play for the orange, then he will have to enroll like a normal student and then walk on. Syracuse has an admissions department tasked with choosing the best available candidates for admittance. This kid almost committed to college without learning the name of the college. How smart do you think the kid is? We only sent him a couple hundred letters/emails/packets/shirts etc. with our name on it. That kind of perceptiveness/intelligence doesn't exactly scream "pick me" to an admissions officer who doesn't care how good at football he was 2 years ago, does it?

I get your point. But you are calling a kid stupid because of three words he said one time.

 

[jvbj01]

No. Attributing good academics to UT is jackassery. Knowing the name of the school that just spent months recruiting you is a pretty low bar.

Why does it matter? If they bring him in and he contributes, will you care then? Sweating that is silly.

 

[wfschrec]

I think that you are missing my point, and watch the presser his statement was definitely not intended to build dispense.

I'm not sure what your point about Syr v. SU is. Neither are incorrect. However the University of Syracuse is absolutely incorrect. I'm also not sure what your point about him spending 4 years here is about. He didn't come here. He committed to Tennessee. In fact, he will probably never attend Syracuse.

Do you know how many kids have called it the University of Syracuse ... are you saying they are all stupid? Bnoro's point is pretty clear to me ... he isn't saying he committed to SU he is saying that kids say that in an open ended sense to build up what little drama there is with regards to their selection, I'm still trying to figure out all these red flags you've pinned on an 18 year old kid (who while wasn't handling his recruitment in the most optimal fashion has handled it better than some of the recent horror stories). He has no criminal history ... he made a bad college decision ... that is it. Of course the fact he was lied to by our formed head coach is OK too right, no red flags there? Lets stop flogging him and let the staff make the decision.