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Maliq Brown starting at Duke

Not all leaders are called to lead all the time. Picking your moments is fine. Coward is a word that should be reserved for more dire circumstances than going to another basketball team
I said he made a cowardly move not that he is a coward and that is based off of what I took away from this article. Which may not have the full story of what happened.
Maliq made the right move to leave, better to be playing for something in March than put up better stats on a worse team.
There is more than one right and one wrong move he could’ve made here. A cowardly move can also be a right move. I think he is that talented that he had many more right moves on the table than wrong moves.
 
18 minutes per game, 16 games, 17 made baskets. And someone used the term "great basketball player."
Not stats at SU but Duke. He took 5.7 attempts per game and made 4 of them per game (.698 fg%) last year here. From 2 point range he was .736% and from 3 he was .368. If he stayed here I believe his offense would have developed further. At Duke he’s relied upon for his stellar defense but sadly, he’s become very reluctant offensively. He scored 26 points against Duke last year for SU-wonder if they will scheme him to be more active offensively against us.
 
Good article, thanks.

I and fellow nyg fans are going through same dynamic with Saquon Barkley. Beloved player who goes to a nemesis but you can hardly blame them given the dysfunction they left behind. It’s weird, you don’t really want to root against the player now but they play for laundry you despise. And both may get a ring now.
 
"he didn’t receive offers from teams in college basketball’s upper echelon". Love that for us.

Also the fact that Maliq and Copeland never considered leaving and wanted to stay 4 years, yet neither is here, is a failure by the program. Red couldn't control Copeland enough to even make him go to class or otherwise stay in line, and also couldn't keep mild-mannered loyal Maliq. The team would be better and his seat wouldn't be so hot.
 
Pretty tame article, no new information really. No doubt we are better team with him, but I wonder if he stayed how the roster construction changes. My assumption would be we would not have needed Jyare, so we could have used that money to get a better PG potentially.

Maliq didn’t want to play the 5. Donnie can’t play the 5. You probably couldn’t play them both with Lampkin - not enough shooting, dribbling, spacing. Maliq knew his minutes would go down significantly if he hes not playing the 5 and Donnie is here. Might as well get a national championship I get it lol.

Since this team collectively takes defense "off" at times, it would have been great to have him here still, if for no other reason than to lead by example.

He is an excellent defender and always gave a lot of effort... something this team lacks in spades at times.
 
More and more I understand why the dome is filled with Duke and UNC jerseys when we play them. People would rather be on the winning side than stay a devoted fan to a team going through rough times. I will be there in Cuse gear from head to toe, chirping everyone in Duke gear, whether they are in the stands or on the court.
Nah. Eph that mentality and eph anyone who gives their tickets to those fans. I got offered to give my tickets away to a Duke fan in CNY and I refused.
 
Agreed.

The article summarized what I've heard about Brown's departure -- there was lots of team dysfunction, his coach [and the AC who recruited him] had both left, 4 out of 6 members of his incoming recruiting class were leaving. Syracuse wasn't close to sniffing the NCAA tournament his first two years, and he wanted to taste that success. All while getting paid substantially more.

Wish he'd stayed, but understand why he left. However, it does suck that he went to an in-conference foe, ESPECIALLY Duke.

But Maliq was a terrific player to us, who's value often went beyond just stats alone. I think that's why it is easy for some posters to rationalize away the impact of his departure.
I agree, heck he’s playing the 5 at Duke, don’t think the 5 position was an issue. He had 2 bigger much higher recruited young players to beat out for playing time at Duke and has carved out an important role for himself there. Losing teammates including JT, then losing GMac I think was a key factor. Sadly he could have been a key piece to renewing a trajectory for SU‘s program but he opted to join an established higher profile program whose immediate goal was a national championship (and getting more money for joining). Personally I was hoping to watch him develop while here and do miss seeing it because I think he would have had an even bigger role here.
 
I am happy for him. He's not a pro and he is getting to experience elite treatment in the college game rather than toil in obscurity here. That said - if he is here we aren't making any grand improvement. We would still stink. Do we miss him - for sure. Do we miss him more than say Judah - no way.
 
When you want to blame a guy for everything, you might as well go all in.

And you have.
Idk Chip, maybe I'm out of line with my comment, but it sure has seemed like Red has struggled to control his players and their camps. That's part of a coach's job. And Copeland wasn't the mass murderer some tried to make him out as. A good kid who probably would have been fine if kept in line better. I don't buy that last year's team was just full of terrible kids.
 
Idk Chip, maybe I'm out of line with my comment, but it sure has seemed like Red has struggled to control his players and their camps. That's part of a coach's job. And Copeland wasn't the mass murderer some tried to make him out as. A good kid who probably would have been fine if kept in line better. I don't buy that last year's team was just full of terrible kids.

Why isn't it on the kid to stay in line better?

I don't know him at all, I assume none of us do. But he looked like a promising young player and ended up at McNeese State. It's not like schools weren't paying attention to our players.
 
Good article, thanks.

I and fellow nyg fans are going through same dynamic with Saquon Barkley. Beloved player who goes to a nemesis but you can hardly blame them given the dysfunction they left behind. It’s weird, you don’t really want to root against the player now but they play for laundry you despise. And both may get a ring now.
I would say its different in college than the pros, but now its all the same.Terrible what has become of college athletics.
 
"he didn’t receive offers from teams in college basketball’s upper echelon". Love that for us.

Also the fact that Maliq and Copeland never considered leaving and wanted to stay 4 years, yet neither is here, is a failure by the program. Red couldn't control Copeland enough to even make him go to class or otherwise stay in line, and also couldn't keep mild-mannered loyal Maliq. The team would be better and his seat wouldn't be so hot.
Not true. It’s a failure for Copeland to decide he didn’t need to go to class. Why do you think he never started?
 
I'm thinking that if we could convince Maliq to play the 5, we wouldn't have needed Eddie. We would still have taken Jyare as a back-up 4 to Donnie.
He wasn't playing the 5 and he wasn't going to play over Donnie.
 
Maliq’s true impact was never on the offensive end, even here. He impacts the game so much more than “put the ball in the basket”
Dennis Rodman could be on our team and some posters here would ask why he can't shoot a 3.

Blame JB. He went on a PR push about needing players who can shoot while ignoring defense, for reasons, and some of our fans bought in.

That's why preseason some of us pointed out losing Brown and adding subpar defenders like Lampkin and Carlos in addition to JJ and Bell already being miserable defenders would be a PRETTY BIG DEAL. And here we are.

Do I think simply adding Brown for, say, Davis to this current team would make it better? To a degree. But not a ton.

But this is more about the thought process going on without some of our fanbase and, to a bigger concern, our coaching staff. I hope the analytics guys can bring it back to where it used to be.
 
Some of you chirp constantly about 'kids these days' and how all they want is glory and money, and they don't care about putting the team ahead of themselves.

But when a guy takes a lesser role at a power because it was his dream school and he gets to pursue a title, now he's cowardly?

Some of you are friggin' insane.
 
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While starting the Orange’s final 18 games, he averaged 34.3 minutes, 9.4 points and 8.3 rebounds per game. Though not the gaudiest numbers, Brown’s efficiency stood out. The forward’s 71.3% effective field goal percentage was the third-best in the country, while his 4.12% steal percentage was the best in the ACC.
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Brown’s efficiency (64.8% eFG%) and defensive versatility (5.2% steal percentage, again the highest in the ACC) make him a perfect complement in Duke’s frontcourt to 2025’s likely No. 1 NBA Draft pick Cooper Flagg and five-star freshman Khaman Maluach.

Bold my own doing. I'm assuming some poster's eyes just started bleeding from the discussion of efficiency and advanced stats.
 
Nah. Eph that mentality and eph anyone who gives their tickets to those fans. I got offered to give my tickets away to a Duke fan in CNY and I refused.
Offered to give away, or offer to buy from you?
 
Some of you chirp constantly about 'kids these days' and how all they want is glory and money, and they don't care about putting the team ahead of themselves.

But when a guy takes a lesser role at a power because it was his dream school and he gets to pursue a title, now he's cowardly?

Some of you are friggin' insane.
How is going to Duke not chasing glory and money??? He transferred to freaking Duke! He got a bag! He might get a natty too! Staying with the team who recruited him would be the non-glory and money route! How on earth would staying on this Cuse team be a sign of a kid chasing glory and money??????

When KD went to Golden State he accepted a lesser role and got to pursue a title! You must of thought that was a saintly move too!
 
Why isn't it on the kid to stay in line better?

I don't know him at all, I assume none of us do. But he looked like a promising young player and ended up at McNeese State. It's not like schools weren't paying attention to our players.
Not true. It’s a failure for Copeland to decide he didn’t need to go to class. Why do you think he never started?
I don't know Copeland personally but from a distance, he appeared like a good-natured but rambunctious 19 year old who probably needed to be kept in line by someone he respected. Not saying he's free from responsibility but programs have immature teens and tough personalities and it's on our fully grown men coaches to make it work when possible. He probably wasn't easy to manage, but from my arms' length view it seems like he was manageable. And what aggravated me was people on here made it seem like he was an ax murderer and Red did miracle work with a bunch of malcontents. Never bought that. Ended up bad for both of them. Red's team would have been better with him this year, and if Quad stayed in line and went to class he would either be here or another power conference team instead of Mcnese state.

But, I could be wrong. I've never pretended to know everything.
 

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