Marrone talent pool

[dasher]

It is an interesting question.

I have to believe that the won-loss record has had some kind of impact - we were 3-9 team last year that should have been 2-10.

It has an inpact only in that we had a lousy record because we didn't have good players. Marrone was not a good recruiter.

 

[dasher]

I think it's safe to say GROB left a few parts and pieces behind, also safe to say that Marrone didn't recruit that well because he hated it. Also safe to say that Marrone was a better coach that Shafer and GROB. Also think Shafer can recruit better than Marrone. Problem is not much talent not much offensive coaching right now. Not a good mix and that is why we get what we got last year.

I don't ever see an overabundance of NFL Talent at Syracuse nor a bunch of 4 and 5 star kids, if your coach can't recruit and develop talent then you will be dead in the water.

We don't know yet about SS. His first year was better in my opinion than anything Marrone did. 7-6 with the teams we played in a tougher league.

 

[Pyle]

hcss has developed zero talent on offense-
i honestly believe we could have had the 86 bears and hcss and george mc would still have been just as bad -

hcss has zero balls- none nadda not one= its a bad thing as a head coach to be without them

He fired his OC and potentially best recruiter mid-season. That took balls. He told Dabo to go himself on national TV, that took balls too, maybe not smart, but still ballsy.

 

[dasher]

There's plenty of blame to go around. But c'mon. Marrone's biggest issue was not finding a Nassib replacement (or in Z.Allen's case - not sticking after Marrone left). Think on this years seniors. Great kids, but not NFL talent - and not one elite player at any position. That's on Marrone. Now think on this coming seasons seniors... Kind of the same issue.

I think Z.Franklin, Phillips, and Ish are all capable of growing into ACC-1st or 2nd teamers.

Z Allen is a wide out now. How good he would or would not have been is up for debate.

 

[dasher]

hcss has developed zero talent on offense-
i honestly believe we could have had the 86 bears and hcss and george mc would still have been just as bad -

hcss has zero balls- none nadda not one= its a bad thing as a head coach to be without them

It's funny having no qb can have people say silly things like a coach has no balls.

 

[rosconey]

i guess you guys have forgot about " the punt" and other balls-less moves

whos fault is it he had no qb's- if not his?

 

[bcubs9497]

i guess you guys have forgot about " the punt" and other balls-less moves

whos fault is it he had no qb's- if not his?

Yours.

 

[GoSU96]

no one drafted in 2015.

my buddy is an agent who has a few former cuse players as clients with close ins to the program... said very little chance anyone gets drafted in 2016. only shot is broyld but a lot of teams are scared of his past.

at least grob left the liquor cabinet more stocked

Nonsense. The roster 1-85 was much, much better when he left than what Robinson left him with.

Robinson had 6 kids he recruited, including Pugh, drafted. Another 8, including Lemon, got FA offers.

Marrone so far 4 recruits drafted, another 18 with FA offers.

And there are still kids from 2011, 2012, and part of the 2013 class on the roster.

 

[GoSU96]

HCSS had the same problem in his first year.

No he didn't. Not even close.

 

[Crusty]

No he didn't. Not even close.

He had decommitts when DM left.

 

[CusefanATL]

Nonsense. The roster 1-85 was much, much better when he left than what Robinson left him with.

Robinson had 6 kids he recruited, including Pugh, drafted. Another 8, including Lemon, got FA offers.

Marrone so far 4 recruits drafted, another 18 with FA offers.

And there are still kids from 2011, 2012, and part of the 2013 class on the roster.

can you break those drafted down for me. maybe i had a few of them confused on who got who.

 

[GoSU96]

He had decommitts when DM left.

Boo hoo.

Are you really asserting that the two situations were in any comparable?

Seriously?

 

[GoSU96]

can you break those drafted down for me. maybe i had a few of them confused on who got who.

Robinson recruits that were drafted:

Williams, Carter, Hogue, Jones, Nassib, Pugh.

Marrone:

Tiller, Thomas, Bromley, Spruill

 

[Finwad32]

Robinson recruits that were drafted:

Williams, Carter, Hogue, Jones, Nassib, Pugh.

Marrone:

Tiller, Thomas, Bromley, Spruill

I think it's important to note that if not for Marrone, Hogue most likely doesn't get drafted as a RB.

Also, I won't get into the development argument, but the programs were completely different from an accountability and training standpoint. I don't think you can definitively say that all Robinson guys are drafted if he's the coach for their entire career.
*Also important to note that this is obviously completely hypothetical and can't be proven one way or another.

 

[qdawgg]

We keep talking about all these players that are "going to develop" into stars. We've done that since I've been on this board. Don't tell me what players will become stars, as if they are already bound for the NFL. I have hope that a lot of these players will be impact players but stop pretending they will be, as if it's just going to happen. Look back at this time last year, all the posts announcing which players were going to have breakout seasons.

 

[qdawgg]

There's plenty of blame to go around. But c'mon. Marrone's biggest issue was not finding a Nassib replacement (or in Z.Allen's case - not sticking after Marrone left). Think on this years seniors. Great kids, but not NFL talent - and not one elite player at any position. That's on Marrone. Now think on this coming seasons seniors... Kind of the same issue.

I think Z.Franklin, Phillips, and Ish are all capable of growing into ACC-1st or 2nd teamers.

But they haven't yet and we thought the same thing about certain players last year and the year before. It only matters at the end of the season when it actually happens. SS hasn't found a replacement to Nassib either. At least Marrone had an offensive scheme and knew enough to run the ball when you had RB depth.

 

[OrangePA]

It has an inpact only in that we had a lousy record because we didn't have good players. Marrone was not a good recruiter.

If you believe that last year was explained by our talent pool, I guess you're right.

 

[TheCusian]

But they haven't yet and we thought the same thing about certain players last year and the year before. It only matters at the end of the season when it actually happens. SS hasn't found a replacement to Nassib either. At least Marrone had an offensive scheme and knew enough to run the ball when you had RB depth.

If you're comparing Robinson v Marrone v Shafer recruiting - there is nothing but promise, recruiting ranking, and last season.

 

[rrlbees]

I think it's important to note that if not for Marrone, Hogue most likely doesn't get drafted as a RB.

Hogue was moving to LB if Grob had stayed. His last season at RB we started the season with some health concerns of a couple RBs. So Hogue was a RB. By midsession he wasn't getting to ball much and asked to be moved. They didn't want to move him to defense mid season but said he would the following season.

 

[dasher]

If you believe that last year was explained by our talent pool, I guess you're right.

Of course it was. We didn't have a d-1 qb. we might not have had a d-2 qb. Not to mention that we had the least skilled players in the league. People here over rate our rb's and wide outs. They were not ACC caliber. When you don't have one player drafted, you don't have talent. Period.

 

[orangeinjersey]

why do we keep regressing back to the Grob-Marrone cubbard bare circle jerk? Can we move past this and win some effin football games? We went 3-9, should have been 2-9. There is a correlation regarding the number of games one over consecutive years and players drafted

 

[dasher]

Nonsense. The roster 1-85 was much, much better when he left than what Robinson left him with.

Robinson had 6 kids he recruited, including Pugh, drafted. Another 8, including Lemon, got FA offers.

Marrone so far 4 recruits drafted, another 18 with FA offers.

And there are still kids from 2011, 2012, and part of the 2013 class on the roster.

Well, the NFL disagrees with you.

 

[Finwad32]

Hogue was moving to LB if Grob had stayed. His last season at RB we started the season with some health concerns of a couple RBs. So Hogue was a RB. By midsession he wasn't getting to ball much and asked to be moved. They didn't want to move him to defense mid season but said he would the following season.

Never knew that. Good stuff.

 

[qdawgg]

If you're comparing Robinson v Marrone v Shafer recruiting - there is nothing but promise, recruiting ranking, and last season.

I agree. So what you're saying is that last years record is solely on the coaching staff?

 

[qdawgg]

OK. Why are you so taken aback by this thread? Its very clear that GROB left us with more talent than Marrone did right? So i dont get why you are being a dick.

Marrone was obviously the better coach - but his recruiting in hindsight was awful. Grob's in hindsight was actually pretty good.

Shafer is on the verge of possibly having the best class in 18-20 years.

I apologize for being a bit of a . The only thing that matters is coaching. If recruiting under Marrone was awful, which I don't agree with, than that shows he was an even better coach than he's given credit for. Shafer is continuing the trajectory of improving our recruiting, now he needs to show that he can be a HC, make good hires, and make good game day decisions.