McMurphy: ND to join ACC as Partial Member

[longtimefan]

Well, I'll admit I wasn't convinced that the world was round until 1967 or so. I'm now convinced that Notre Dame is actually going to the ACC:

http://www.southbendtribune.com/spo...-sports-but-football-20120912,0,6080706.story

Looks like the ACC is now the #1 basketball conference and the #1 lacrosse conference. Firms up the stability of the football conference also. The Big 12/WVU "insiders" must be fuming.

This article says every ACC team is guaranteed a game every 3 years. Which means that each ACC team will have only one ND game every three years. (With one additional "wild card" slot--likely to be BC or Pitt.)

 

[orangefog]

Why would ND move now? I think it says a lot about what is happening with the Big East and television negotiations.

Did ESPN low ball the BE big time?

Did ND talk with business partner NBC about numbers for the Big East? Were they told a big offer was not going to be forthcoming?

The ACC takes more money off the table from the Big East. The ACC wins a key battle with the Big 12 regarding expansion. The ACC increases its buyout to the highest numbers for any conference, making it extremely stable overnight.
The next big question is if the ACC will expand again, and if so, will it be for all sports or for another Notre Dame type school with no football?

If it is going to be a team with no football, I can't see Georgetown getting in. Maryland hates them. The Hoyas have no fan base and the ACC already has the market. Makes no sense.

How about Johns Hopkins for lacrosse only?

 

[690West]

This article says every ACC team is guaranteed a game every 3 years. Which means that each ACC team will have only one ND game every three years.

Exactly, which means Syracuse would play UND at home every 6 years. The question becomes where will our notre dame "home" games take place...

 

[Townie72]

FARK the Domers. All or nothing. Don't like that deal? Enjoy playing SMU and UCF in basketball.

You may want to call John Swofford directly and voice your opposition to this.

But is appears the train may have left the station.

 

[DoctorBombay]

This is ridiculous.
I think this gives MORE credence to the FSU/Clemson defection rumors, because why have ND as a 15th member w/out having plans to add another? You figure none of this happens until a coupla years down the road, at which time FSU/Clemson would be gone.
This smacks of a defensive manuever by the ACC to CYA, if FSU/Clemson pull the trigger.
I HATE the fact that ND is the leech that gets to suck blood out of every conference, while still getting whatever they want.
Not a good move, IMO. :bang:

 

[NKR1978]

No reason to add any other football members until such time as we lose a member or ND agrees to join as a full member.

I think it's safe to assume that ND would not have partnered with the ACC unless the conference was secure.

Now it will be fun watching the Pac expand east and pick off some B12 schools and watch the remnants beg for an ACC invite.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I don't know if ND has a vote on football matters or not. Do you?

ND is a partial member because their football team does not play in the ACC. Seems pretty obvious to me.

If they have the same full voting rights as everyone else, does it really matter if they play football?

 

[Townie72]

How about Johns Hopkins for lacrosse only?

Good one.

But with JHU in the ACC, why even have the LAX NCAA Tourney. Just give the winner of the ACC the NCAA trophy.

The ACC Lacrosse conference is now the strongest conference in any sport. In no other sport is there this kind of concentration of the best teams in the sport.

 

[Frozen]

This is ridiculous.
I think this gives MORE credence to the FSU/Clemson defection rumors, because why have ND as a 15th member w/out having plans to add another? You figure none of this happens until a coupla years down the road, at which time FSU/Clemson would be gone.
This smacks of a defensive manuever by the ACC to CYA, if FSU/Clemson pull the trigger.
I HATE the fact that ND is the leech that gets to suck blood out of every conference, while still getting whatever they want.
Not a good move, IMO. :bang:

Well, the ACC just upped their exit fee to $50 million. So if they want to pay that kind of scratch to leave a conference, good luck to them.

 

[mountaincuse]

This is ridiculous.
I think this gives MORE credence to the FSU/Clemson defection rumors, because why have ND as a 15th member w/out having plans to add another? You figure none of this happens until a coupla years down the road, at which time FSU/Clemson would be gone.
This smacks of a defensive manuever by the ACC to CYA, if FSU/Clemson pull the trigger.
I HATE the fact that ND is the leech that gets to suck blood out of every conference, while still getting whatever they want.
Not a good move, IMO. :bang:

If FSU/Clemson want to pay $50 million to leave then so be it. If they really wanted out they would already be gone.

ND is not a football member so there is no need to add another football team. Basketball maybe, but a three division conference isn't all that bad.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

How about Johns Hopkins for lacrosse only?

Isn't 6 teams enough? You want to make the rest of the LAX world jealous?

 

[orangefog]

Isn't 6 teams enough? You want to make the rest of the LAX world jealous?

Wouldn't that be the ENTIRE lacrosse world?

 

[Townie72]

If they have the same full voting rights as everyone else, does it really matter if they play football?

Extreme ... back away from the keyboard. Take a walk. Have some coffee.

Do you really mean to say that it doesn't make any difference where ND plays football?

Maybe not cosmically. But in the context of college sports, it does make a difference.

 

[690West]

This is ridiculous.
I think this gives MORE credence to the FSU/Clemson defection rumors, because why have ND as a 15th member w/out having plans to add another? You figure none of this happens until a coupla years down the road, at which time FSU/Clemson would be gone.
:bang:

Dude, FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!

 

[orange79]

The only thing I don't like is letting ND have access to some of the ACC bowl commitments, ala their arrangement with the BE. I would like to see the details on that part of the deal, but on the surface, that part sucks.

 

[BlueCurtain]

True - I'd be fine either way, but let's get greedy with our extra money and start both.

Or we could just knock the War Memorial down and build a respectable, 21st Century arena. Historic site my a$$. Arsonists really are clueless when it comes to targeting venues.

 

[orangefog]

The only thing I don't like is letting ND have access to some of the ACC bowl commitments, ala their arrangement with the BE. I would like to see the details on that part of the deal, but on the surface, that part sucks.

Hopefully having ND part of the bowl picture for the ACC, it gets the ACC more bowl tie-ins.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I know where you got the quote.

I don't know if ND has a vote on football matters or not. Do you?

ND is a partial member because their football team does not play in the ACC. Seems pretty obvious to me.

heyzues fluckin chrissmass, enough.

they will be VOTING AS A FULL MEMBER FOR ALL SPORTS NOT NAMED FOOTBALL.

sorry, but that means they are VOTING AS A FULL MEMBER FOR ALL SPORTS NOT NAMED FOOTBALL. i think we all can read and read between the lines on this one einstein.

if you want to fluckin split hairs and say they are not truely FULL because they wont be voting as a full member in football, and therefore you are still 'correct'...then go put that stupid arse feather in your hat and move on.

hell, ill put it there for you. shlitz, i bet youd get 100 of hat feathers from posters on here.

:bang::bat::bang:

Oh Lord

 

[OrangeMojo]

How about Johns Hopkins for lacrosse only?

how about Johns Hopkins go themselves and go D3 in lacrosse like every other sport?

 

[Jeepers]

I really hate the hybrid. The important question is what do FSU and Clemson think about this? As long as they're happy, I'm happy.

ND promised the BE football games, too. How'd that work out...

Louisville: Academics do matter. WVU would have been invited instead of us, if that weren't the case.

UConn isn't going anywhere. Partial member = no need for #16.

$50mil exit fee is huge, and great, but won't stop anyone from leaving if they really want to. Rights are much more important.

We should add a hockey team. Can you imagine? Sweet unis, too. Toronto's College Team.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Extreme ... back away from the keyboard. Take a walk. Have some coffee.

Do you really mean to say that it doesn't make any difference where ND plays football?

Maybe not cosmically. But in the context of college sports, it does make a difference.

If all 15 schools have a seat in the ACC boardroom, and if Notre Dame's vote will count the same as Duke's, or FSU's or Syracuse's vote on ACC issues, then it really doesn't make a difference. At least to Swofford and the people running the ACC.

I'm talking about whether or not ND will be granted full voting rights, and you're worried about cosmic significance (or winning a bar room bet).

 

[DoctorBombay]

Dude, FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!

Ok, ok- I hear you...
Still, that kinda scratch could be manufactured if a conference felt the team was worth it.
In today's market and after negotiations, you figure 2-3 years and that's paid off.
Until ND is "all-in", then I'll rest easy. This is deja vu all over again.

 

[Shenexon]

I think this news couldn't be better in the long term. A $50 million exit fee pretty much guarantees stability for the ACC, if ND football is ever going to join a conference it will almost certainly be the ACC, and SU's administration looks golden for choosing to move to the ACC and having a seat in the east coast's only major conference. Change is the only certainty, but the ACC is as permanent as we can forsee. Kudos to Nancy Cantor, Daryl Gross, and anyone else that made this happen for SU. Thank you!

 

[Cuseman78]

FARK the Domers. All or nothing. Don't like that deal? Enjoy playing SMU and UCF in basketball.

Thank god you aren't the "powers that be". Under your line of thinking, FSU and Clemson continue to seek out other conferences to play in. This was a mutually beneficial deal for all parties involved. People are way too concerned with the fact that ND is getting an advantageous deal. This benefits our school as well.

 

[BlackKnight76]

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2012/9/12/3320668/notre-dame-is-so-independent-mom