McMurphy: ND to join ACC as Partial Member

[orange79]

I can't remember - is the BB-only exit fee from the BE the same as an all-sports member? I wonder if the $50M figure applies to ND also, or if it is less as a 'partial' member.

 

[Orangemen]

I really hate the hybrid. The important question is what do FSU and Clemson think about this? As long as they're happy, I'm happy..

Doesn't matter what Clemson or FSU think of this.

They've got 50 million reasons to keep quiet and accept whatever happens to them at this point.

And that number will only climb every year.

 

[rrlbees]

So how many of you still want to be in the BE?

UConn and rutgirls fans since they claim the ACC sucks.

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[zibby]

Under your line of thinking, FSU and Clemson continue to seek out other conferences to play in.

What exactly does playing the Domers once every three years do for FSU and Clemson? If the other ACC schools wanted to increase the exit fee to prevent FSU and Clemson from leaving, they could have done so without attaching a leech to the conference.

 

[sutomcat]

I really hate the hybrid. The important question is what do FSU and Clemson think about this? As long as they're happy, I'm happy.

ND promised the BE football games, too. How'd that work out...

Louisville: Academics do matter. WVU would have been invited instead of us, if that weren't the case.

UConn isn't going anywhere. Partial member = no need for #16.

$50mil exit fee is huge, and great, but won't stop anyone from leaving if they really want to. Rights are much more important.

We should add a hockey team. Can you imagine? Sweet unis, too. Toronto's College Team.

We know the ACC tried to raise the exit fee substantially after SU and Pitt joined but the proposal was voted down, reportedly by Clemson and Florida State. They both reportedly really wanted ND in the ACC. Have to believe ND would not join without a major increase in the exit fee to guarantee stability. Looks to me as though Florida State and Clemson were in favor of this...

 

[orangecuse]

I think this news couldn't be better in the long term. A $50 million exit fee pretty much guarantees stability for the ACC, if ND football is ever going to join a conference it will almost certainly be the ACC, and SU's administration looks golden for choosing to move to the ACC and having a seat in the east coast's only major conference. Change is the only certainty, but the ACC is as permanent as we can forsee. Kudos to Nancy Cantor, Daryl Gross, and anyone else that made this happen for SU. Thank you!

No doubt the $50 mil exit fee is what most likely lured the ACC presidents to vote yea (I hate the hybrid along with ND's arrogance, hypocracy and self-righteousness it emcompasses and embraces) here. That amount is staggering and makes the ACC one thing for sure, and that's stable. With stability in mind, it's the only thing that's out there for the wishful ACC schools...that in the future, maybe, just maybe, ND one day will fully embrace it's homogeneous full-member brothers.

 

[Toga]

Sooooooooooooooo happy to be in the ACC.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

NBC was cool with this move says the Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ounce-acc-move-today-20120912,0,4749218.story

So what does this say about the chances of the NNBE getting megabucks from NBC? Personally, I don't believe the projections that were most recently being floated were ever grounded in reality.

 

[Deano]

The 9 month rumor finally happens.

Not sure how I feel about it. Hopefully it comes with something about ND becoming a full member at some point based upon some sort of criteria related to the landscape.

Next move will now be bringing in UConn.

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[TexanMark]

We know the ACC tried to raise the exit fee substantially after SU and Pitt joined but the proposal was voted down, reportedly by Clemson and Florida State. They both reportedly really wanted ND in the ACC. Have to believe ND would not join without a major increase in the exit fee to guarantee stability. Looks to me as though Florida State and Clemson were in favor of this...

Wrong the Dude of WV said this will shove FSU out the door...and his buddy MHVer siad FSU and Clemson voted against the exit fee increase. Can't beleive people still listen to these guys.

 

[Scooch]

Some of you people can't possibly have any business experience.

Put aside the ND hate for a moment and think this through...

ND is the ONLY school currently not in a Big 5 conference that has ANY significant incremental value. ($$$)

ND has committed to playing 5 ACC football games a year. Other ACC schools play 9. That's 55%. Each of those 5 games will be on TV ($$$) and secure sell out crowds when ACC schools host ($$$).

ND is part of the ACC's bowl package. Bowls love ND because they draw big crowds and strong TV ratings. The ACC now has additional leverage to sign high-value bowl affiliations. ($$$)

ND fits the ACC's academic profile perfectly, and brings a solid program to the best hoops conference in the nation. They also have top-tier Olympic sports -- you may not care, but an athletic league does. (Brand)

I won't hold my breath, but someday if ND decides to join a conference full-time for football, it'll be the ACC ($$$).

The ACC is now without question the premiere east coast athletic conference. (sponsorship $$$)

Honestly, this is a no brainer. You get significant financial value and increased brand strength, all for them playing 5 games a year instead of 9.

:bang:

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Wrong the Dude of WV said this will shove FSU out the door...and his buddy MHVer siad FSU and Clemson voted against the exit fee increase. Can't beleive people still listen to these guys.

The Dude and MHVer both suffer from what the Georgia Tech Hive call "Butthurt." They have it bad and everything they post is directly related to their unrequited love for the ACC (and SEC).

 

[Pearl309]

Good one.

But with JHU in the ACC, why even have the LAX NCAA Tourney. Just give the winner of the ACC the NCAA trophy.

The ACC Lacrosse conference is now the strongest conference in any sport. In no other sport is there this kind of concentration of the best teams in the sport.

umm. the SEC has won the past 6 national championships in football.

 

[Orangemen]

To this point, if you're the ACC, and locking down the East Coast is priority #1, do you now take SJU?

By themselves, they offer essentially nothing, so maybe the obvious answer is no. But they have some significant symbolic benefits. And the ACC may be exploring adding a non fball school.

They eliminate any BE claim over NYC as far as bball goes.

They are another founding BE member that would be in the ACC.

Madison Square Garden becomes an ACC venue.

There is no school that can be added at this point that would bring any marginal dollars to the conference. If the ACC is intent on adding 1 more school, SJU is not a terrible choice.

Some of you people can't possibly have any business experience.

Put aside the ND hate for a moment and think this through...

ND is the ONLY school currently not in a Big 5 conference that has ANY significant incremental value. ($$$)

ND has committed to playing 5 ACC football games a year. Other ACC schools play 9. That's 55%. Each of those 5 games will be on TV ($$$) and secure sell out crowds when ACC schools host ($$$).

ND is part of the ACC's bowl package. Bowls love ND because they draw big crowds and strong TV ratings. The ACC now has additional leverage to sign high-value bowl affiliations. ($$$)

ND fits the ACC's academic profile perfectly, and brings a solid program to the best hoops conference in the nation. They also have top-tier Olympic sports -- you may not care, but an athletic league does. (Brand)

I won't hold my breath, but someday if ND decides to join a conference full-time for football, it'll be the ACC ($$$).

The ACC is now without question the premiere east coast athletic conference. (sponsorship $$$)

Honestly, this is a no brainer. You get significant financial value and increased brand strength, all for them playing 5 games a year instead of 9.

:bang:

 

[Cuseman78]

What exactly does playing the Domers once every three years do for FSU and Clemson? If the other ACC schools wanted to increase the exit fee to prevent FSU and Clemson from leaving, they could have done so without attaching a leech to the conference.

All you need to know is that the exit fee is 50 mill. FSU and Clemson signed off on that. Obviously, they are fine with this move.

This move was mutually beneficial. ND gets their special deal, and the ACC remains stable with a $50 million exit fee. Clemson and FSU aren't going anywhere. Not to mention this re-opens the TV deal so hopefully we make a few extra bucks on that also.

 

[TexanMark]

umm. the SEC has won the past 6 national championships in football.

That is rigged...granted the SEC is the best league but I don't beleive the last 6 crowned champs were always the best team.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Yes, I know I am all alone on this one and that Father Jenkins is just paying lip service, but I truly believe academics had something to do with this move. And it is one reason I never believed the Big 12 was a serious potential landing ground for ND:

"In addition to the athletic component, Notre Dame’s president, Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C., said the ACC offers other advantages.

“The ACC is composed of some of the most highly respected universities in the country, and we at Notre Dame look forward to joining them,” Father Jenkins said. “With a mix of institutions – many of which are also private, similar to Notre Dame in size, and committed to excellence in research and undergraduate education – the ACC is an exceptionally good fit for us academically, as well as athletically.” Father Jenkins added: “It is our hope that, over time, we will be able to explore the possibility of academic collaboration as well as athletic competition with these outstanding universities.” ‘

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I guess at the end of the day, ND chose to rub elbows with Duke, UNC, Ga Tech, etc... over Houston, UCF, Memphis.

Shocking.

 

[zibby]

All you need to know is that the exit fee is 50 mill. FSU and Clemson signed off on that. Obviously, they are fine with this move.

We don't know that. We know adding members in 2004 required 7/9 approval, why should increasing the exit fee be different?

 

[Scotch]

Doesn't matter what Clemson or FSU think of this.

They've got 50 million reasons to keep quiet and accept whatever happens to them at this point.

And that number will only climb every year.

Do people honestly think Swofford didn't consult FSU and Clemson to get their buy-in? Do people think Swofford is dumb enough to make decisions that those two schools disagree with? Let me assure you that those schools are totally on board with this because ND is going to fill their stadiums semi-regularly and increase the ACC TV numbers.

 

[Shenexon]

What exactly does playing the Domers once every three years do for FSU and Clemson? If the other ACC schools wanted to increase the exit fee to prevent FSU and Clemson from leaving, they could have done so without attaching a leech to the conference.

It seems to me that it has a positive impact on their status within the football world. Teams define themselves by who they choose to play and who chooses to play them. Would Clemson & Florida State benefit more from playing ND every few years or Rutgers? Clemson & FSU want to play good teams to enhance their resume. ND provides that.

 

[TexanMark]

All you need to know is that the exit fee is 50 mill. FSU and Clemson signed off on that. Obviously, they are fine with this move.

This move was mutually beneficial. ND gets their special deal, and the ACC remains stable with a $50 million exit fee. Clemson and FSU aren't going anywhere. Not to mention this re-opens the TV deal so hopefully we make a few extra bucks on that also.

I'm guessing everyone gets a bump of about $1M per. Also, the 6 Lax schools might get an extra 500k a year. I truly see 2 more ACC schools adding programs soon...BC and NCSt/Clemson

I also see Lax having more games on the Mothership vs ESPNU
Lax draws great demographics and games are in easy to manage 2 hr blocks.

 

[Orangemen]

Do people honestly think Swofford didn't consult FSU and Clemson to get their buy-in? Do people think Swofford is dumb enough to make decisions that those two schools disagree with? Let me assure you that those schools are totally on board with this because ND is going to fill their stadiums semi-regularly and increase the ACC TV numbers.

That's not the point I was making.

I'm sure that Clemson and FSU signed off on this.

From this point forward, though, no one should care whether any new addition upsets those two schools. They can't leave at this point even if they want to.

 

[Jeepers]

Scooch, ND was committed to playing BE football games as well. I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still working my way through the articles, but does it even say *how* they will play 5 ACC teams? If they are just partial members, what's stopping them from just playing FSU/Clemson/BC/Pitt/GT/whoever every single year? But that's fine. Again, all that matters is that Clemson and FSU are happy.

WVU found a way to exit with a $20mil exit fee. Think about that--WVU. $50mil really isn't a big deal. It's all about the grant of rights.

 

[texascpa]

Why would ND move now? I think it says a lot about what is happening with the Big East and television negotiations.

Did ESPN low ball the BE big time?

Did ND talk with business partner NBC about numbers for the Big East? Were they told a big offer was not going to be forthcoming?

The ACC takes more money off the table from the Big East. The ACC wins a key battle with the Big 12 regarding expansion. The ACC increases its buyout to the highest numbers for any conference, making it extremely stable overnight.
The next big question is if the ACC will expand again, and if so, will it be for all sports or for another Notre Dame type school with no football?

If it is going to be a team with no football, I can't see Georgetown getting in. Maryland hates them. The Hoyas have no fan base and the ACC already has the market. Makes no sense.

The new commish mentioned the other day that negotiations were going well with ESPN and they expect to stick with ESPN. I was surprised to hear that, but now it makes sense. If the BE is losing ND, there's not much reason that NBC would outbid ESPN, regardless of programming "need".