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[Bayside44]

I agree with all of this.

Don't see why we would seriously consider doing it.

There is no question it would alienate the season ticket holders that carry the Syracuse program on their backs. I don't know one that likes this idea.

Seats are bad for basketball in the Dome already. Why make them awful? Why make the worst thing about the Dome for basketball ten times worse?

Who does this benefit? How many people who wanted to go to any Syracuse game played in the Dome have ever been turned away because a seat wasn't available? 100? 200?

There are a lot of people who choose not to go to games because the seats that are available are too awful for them to justify paying the money SU asks to attend. Will changing the number of awful seats available from 13K to 40K make the game more attractive to these people?

I think this idea is all about big egos and showing people something hard to do is possible, and trying to put up a really big attendance number to show everyone who the man is.

The first priority needs to be the fans. Especially the fans that carry the program year after year, through thick and thin.

This is almost as bad of an idea as when Chancellor Cantor was talking about moving ACC home basketball games to MSG.

If you decide to mess with the golden goose, you sure as hell better have great reasons for doing it.

It benefits Syracuse University...if they get 55K in there on a Saturday night for a K - JB showdown nothing like that will have ever have been done before or since and the free PR the school will get is why they will do it.

Frankly the team is too historically good for anyone to walk away from it, but this is a chance to show off in front of new audiences.

 

[Alsacs]

I agree with all of this.

Don't see why we would seriously consider doing it.

There is no question it would alienate the season ticket holders that carry the Syracuse program on their backs. I don't know one that likes this idea.

Seats are bad for basketball in the Dome already. Why make them awful? Why make the worst thing about the Dome for basketball ten times worse?

Who does this benefit? How many people who wanted to go to any Syracuse game played in the Dome have ever been turned away because a seat wasn't available? 100? 200?

There are a lot of people who choose not to go to games because the seats that are available are too awful for them to justify paying the money SU asks to attend. Will changing the number of awful seats available from 13K to 40K make the game more attractive to these people?

I think this idea is all about big egos and showing people something hard to do is possible, and trying to put up a really big attendance number to show everyone who the man is.

The first priority needs to be the fans. Especially the fans that carry the program year after year, through thick and thin.

This is almost as bad of an idea as when Chancellor Cantor was talking about moving ACC home basketball games to MSG.

If you decide to mess with the golden goose, you sure as hell better have great reasons for doing it.

Thank you for the picture, and first off if the season ticket holders can't be given good seats I don't think it will happen.
I would assume most season ticket holders are in sec. 105-115 and 305-315 and 3k in the rolled out sections.
However, if the court was in front of sec. 102, 101, 120 OR 115,116, 117 you could fix the problem. The court doesn't have to be exactly in the middle of the field. Put the sec. 308-312 people in 316-322 or 334-304, the 105-115 people in the lower bowl on the side they put the court either 102-120 or 115-117 and the 3k in rolled out seats behind the court, but lower than the opposite seats. I don't think people are giving this chance. I wouldn't shut it down without exploring it and if the Dome tested the format of the seats in a game against Colgate maybe it could determine if it would work as Colgate would get between 15k-19k no matter where the seats were.

 

[JeremyCuse]

This thread is fascinating, now you bball only season ticket holders can be welcomed to the issues the fball season ticket holders have been dealing with the Metlife games, not to much fun is it?

 

[anomander]

This thread is fascinating, now you bball only season ticket holders can be welcomed to the issues the fball season ticket holders have been dealing with the Metlife games, not to much fun is it?

That is another reason why I am confused this is even being considered. They already took the best home
Games are or the next couple decades now you want to mess with the duke game? You don't need it. Jam 35k in there and that's enough. Plus I highly doubt you will get 55k? I thought I read the most they could manage would be in the low 40's? Not worth the aggravation .

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This thread is fascinating, now you bball only season ticket holders can be welcomed to the issues the fball season ticket holders have been dealing with the Metlife games, not to much fun is it?

Oh, Hell yeah! He went there!

 

[JeremyCuse]

That is another reason why I am confused this is even being considered. They already took the best home
Games are or the next couple decades now you want to mess with the duke game? You don't need it. Jam 35k in there and that's enough. Plus I highly doubt you will get 55k? I thought I read the most they could manage would be in the low 40's? Not worth the aggravation .

The best part was when Cantor told the PS that they were considering moving the UNC and Duke home games to MSG, JB lost his freekin mind.

 

[jr4750]

The best part was when Cantor told the PS that they were considering moving the UNC and Duke home games to MSG, JB lost his freekin mind.

as well he should of... That was an insane comment by NC...

 

[PhatOrange]

Cantor is out of here in June right? What is she even commenting.

 

[Rocco]

Better yet, let's pack as many people as possible into Manley and give them their own treatment.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Cantor is out of here in June right? What is she even commenting.

First of all that comment was at least 18 months ago so it is moot.

Second, people are questioning why this dome reconfig for one game is being considered. I don't think it really is outside of us chatting about it.

Third, why is the assumption that season ticket holders would be left in their current seats? Its completely preposterous and clearly anyone with a brain knows that the current season ticket holders would be relocated to equivalent (and possibly better) seats.

There are so many fascinating things on display in this thread, it is an amazing study of people.

 

[skurey]

First of all that comment was at least 18 months ago so it is moot.

Second, people are questioning why this dome reconfig for one game is being considered. I don't think it really is outside of us chatting about it.

Third, why is the assumption that season ticket holders would be left in their current seats? Its completely preposterous and clearly anyone with a brain knows that the current season ticket holders would be relocated to equivalent (and possibly better) seats.

There are so many fascinating things on display in this thread, it is an amazing study of people.

amazing study of people is one way to put it...

 

[OttoMets]

A couple of "What Ifs" to ponder:

- What if it's ESPN and the ACC behind it?
- What if this game is utilized to kick off the the start of the ACC season?

We're talking about a matchup between the top two all time winningest coaches in NCAA history. This should be a one time event to celebrate our inclusion into the ACC.

Then it would suck even more, since students would still be on Christmas break and non-students (and the sports media) would still be in their post-New Years, pre-Super Bowl slumber. For those who aren't serious fans, those early-January games have become non-events.

It's a truly awful idea. It's foolish to make any drastic changes for a new conference opponent whose pedigree and recent success are hardly different from teams we play with some regularity; it's more ridiculous to try any attendance gimmicks within a year of the Georgetown record crowd(and unpleasant thrashing we all got to see).

 

[OttoMets]

The only time (or at least the 1st time) they should ever consider putting the court in the middle of the dome is for Boeheims last game. Period. No school should not be dignified as a reason for such a huge event. It is "The House that Boeheim Built" and that should be the day we put 49,000 in the seats

Now that would be a nice gesture. Hope they give that idea some consideration.

 

[JJReddawg]

Then it would suck even more, since students would still be on Christmas break and non-students (and the sports media) would still be in their post-New Years, pre-Super Bowl slumber. For those who aren't serious fans, those early-January games have become non-events.

Good point there.

 

[OttoMets]

Season tickets cost money.

Do you live in Syracuse NY? Do you think every loyal Syracuse fan has the extra money to spend on season tickets?

I'm just gonna throw my 2 cents out there. If you're a season ticket hold, GREAT. Thank you for helping the program and giving that money to SU, rather than something else.

However it does not make you a more loyal fan than the average joe whose seen every Syracuse game in the past 20 to 30 years but has never had enough money to go to more than one.

I know many, MANY people...enough to fill whole sections..that regularly attend bars around the Cuse and my hometown FM to cheer on the Orange. However due to economic hardships, taxes, and large families or other circumstances...these people can not afford season tickets.

There is not a doubt in my mind that the Dome could seat 50,000 DEDICATED Syracuse fans. If theres 5,000 or so fair weather fans? who gives a . Theres thousands at every game, rich people from FM, JD etc. who buy tickets whenever there little kids start succeeding with Carmelo Anthony in NBA 2k on there fancy game systems on the big screen.

Oh please. If someone can afford to sit through a Syracuse game at a bar, he can afford the ticket price to get into the Dome.

And taxes? Really?

This is just a specious argument through and through.

 

[OttoMets]

Good point there.

The "big draw" thing is just so sensitive to factors outside SU's (and ESPN's and the ACC's) control that they should be very careful about fiddling with record attempts and changes to the seating configuration.

I think they learned their lesson with the second Gameday attempt in 2006; hopefully they don't do anything goofy with the Duke game this season.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Then it would suck even more, since students would still be on Christmas break and non-students (and the sports media) would still be in their post-New Years, pre-Super Bowl slumber. For those who aren't serious fans, those early-January games have become non-events.

Especially since most of us will be in Miami watching Coach Shafer in the Orange Bowl that week.

 

[OttoMets]

...

And PPS... Everyone says there is no better college basketball atmosphere than Cameron Indoor. That place holds about 9000. It is the quality of the fan involvement -- not only the quantity -- that makes for a great game day environment.

This.

35,012 was not that exciting. 5,904 for Butler in 2002, however, was raucous (as anyone who was there would tell you).

Dopey gimmicks don't enhance the experience; they detract from it.

 

[Trueblue25]

Oh please. If someone can afford to sit through a Syracuse game at a bar, he can afford the ticket price to get into the Dome.

And taxes? Really?

This is just a specious argument through and through.

Sir..get off your high horse. Theres a difference between a 5 dollar drink, a friendly Syracuse atmosphere and a Syracuse University basketball ticket...which is atleast 10x more expensive.

Would you rather watch a game at a bar? Or go to a game alone? It really is like going to the movies alone..

And yes taxes. My dad's a lawyer with 5 children and due to the redefining of the "upper class" has to pay a heap of taxes probably equal to some Syracuse fans annual income

I know I'm a student in Buffalo who was very interested to go to the G Town game, but who the hell can afford a 100$+ ticket? I have a job and a girl friend, moneys tight.

 

[OttoMets]

It benefits Syracuse University...if they get 55K in there on a Saturday night for a K - JB showdown nothing like that will have ever have been done before or since and the free PR the school will get is why they will do it.

Frankly the team is too historically good for anyone to walk away from it, but this is a chance to show off in front of new audiences.

What if they get 47,000 with visible expanses of empty seats?

Because that's a real possibility. Maybe even a likelihood.

 

[OttoMets]

Sir..get off your high horse. Theres a difference between a 5 dollar drink, a friendly Syracuse atmosphere and a Syracuse University basketball ticket...which is atleast 10x more expensive.

Would you rather watch a game at a bar? Or go to a game alone? It really is like going to the movies alone..

And yes taxes. My dad's a lawyer with 5 children and due to the redefining of the "upper class" has to pay a heap of taxes probably equal to some Syracuse fans annual income

I know I'm a student in Buffalo who was very interested to go to the G Town game, but who the hell can afford a 100$+ ticket? I have a job and a girl friend, moneys tight.

$100 ticket?

You've nailed the straw man in this thread.

Beyond that, I don't think you've touched on a single fact that has any bearing on the merits of reconfiguring the building.

 

[OttoMets]

This thread is fascinating, now you bball only season ticket holders can be welcomed to the issues the fball season ticket holders have been dealing with the Metlife games, not to much fun is it?

For the record (I guess I'm not a hoops-only, but my season ticket would be affected for this game), I view this less as a personal inconvenience and more as a high-risk/low-reward move that diverts athletic department resources from addressing actual areas of improvement.

If I have to spend two hours watching a Duke game on a court that's 50 yards from my seat, so be it. I hope we blow them out.

 

[Trueblue25]

$100 ticket?

You've nailed the straw man in this thread.

Beyond that, I don't think you've touched on a single fact that has any bearing on the merits of reconfiguring the building.

I'm sorry that people have different priorities.

 

[cto]

I know I'm a student in Buffalo who was very interested to go to the G Town game, but who the hell can afford a 100$+ ticket? I have a job and a girl friend, moneys tight.[/quote]



Now I get it. People who don't buy tickets are the ones who want to re-configure the court. Makes a lot of sense. Re-configure it for those who won't attend... and screw the folks who have been supporting the program with season tickets for up to 30 years or more.

 

[Trueblue25]

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