More Renovations?

[OrangeMojo]

Renovations could take 2 years. That would mean no home games in basketball or football. This isn't like putting a new kitchen in your house. Once the project starts , it would come under the authority of all kinds of city and state agency's.

so you're telling me this is all just a convenient way to sell 2 entire seasons worth of home games down to the Met Life Stadium????? I'm going to guess the renovations start right before the LSU game in 2015 - damn you Dr Gross!!!!

 

[JDubbin]

I've been poking around all week on this stuff, and here's what I have been able to piece together. While some of the details may not make complete sense, the view from 10,000 feet is pretty clear.

Cantor was all about growth. Particularly growth in enrollment. In her time here, undergraduate enrollment grew about 25%. That can be viewed as good or bad. Many here lamented the drop in the Universities rankings and blamed it on relaxed admissions. I think you might be able to tie that all together. One person mentioned that 20k undergrad enrollment some day in the future may have been one of her goals. With increased enrollment and future plans to grow further and with SU already bulging at the seams to "fit" all of these students (I was told some transfer students are actually housed in a hotel), University property was of high value for academic purposes. Thus the talk and the plan to use Dome property for academic purposes.

This would necessitate a new athletic building and thus the 2 year old plan shown here. Cantor and Gross were big proponents. I'm not sure why the "new" plan financed mostly by the state and county popped up, but I assumed it was a combo of cost and the state wanting to out their stamp on local economic development. But one or the other were real plans and was supported by Cantors vision at SU. Gave her more real estate and have Gross a new toy.

Now comes the new chancellor and while I don't know his vision, I'm hearing he may be more of the mindset that the Dome property isn't necessarily needed and growth in enrollment should be slowed or reversed. He isn't tossing out any idea but is going to do his own due diligence and slowed down the "decision". The indecision on a new facility may be as much SU as it is the Mayor. But that's not a bad thing necessarily.

Having said that, and the Chancellor even alluded to it, other options are also being considered, such as a major renovation to the Dome. It was mentioned that a $100m makeover could be on the table. Besides numerous changes to the inside of the Dome, the big change could be adding to it with a building attached on the west side of the Dome. This would be a 4-5 story building that would go out from the Dome and over Irving in some way.

The building would serve many purposes, some which I forget, but included offices, classrooms, house Sports Management, changing and/or locker rooms for non-athletic events, media rooms, etc. The idea would also be to increase the number of days a year the Dome is used and be able to handle any type of event. The goal would supposedly be 200 days a year that some have estimated would be several millions more a year to the coffers.

That's all I got. I think every option is on the table. SU facility on SU property, Public facility on county or city property, or a renovated Dome.
Last edited: Jan 18, 2014
rrlbees, Jan 18, 2014 Report

I read this entire post, to the very end before the final name and date stamp thinking "CuseLegacy is really stepping out and contributing in this post in ways I have never seen her do so before." I actually laughed at myself when I saw it was just her re-posting bees' original insights. Love it.

 

[Ottoble]

If they build the west expansion which I think is vital I would love to see a replica of the archbold stadium Roman arch as the new grand entrance to a glass atrium for this space. Facing sadler or directly down the street.

 

[SmilinBob]

An extremely reliable source told me recently that other than the IPF, the only other renovation scheduled is for the coaches offices, which have not been updated since Mac was here.

Well beta did seem like it was the way to go. Nice to see they can stream stuff now.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I read this entire post, to the very end before the final name and date stamp thinking "CuseLegacy is really stepping out and contributing in this post in ways I have never seen her do so before." I actually laughed at myself when I saw it was just her re-posting bees' original insights. Love it.

LOL. I guess I should have posted that differently.

 

[sutomcat]

Didn't the conference room/rooms just get updated recently with the addition to the football wing?

Yes, as far as the football wing is concerned, the staff is happy with where things stand, other than the coaches offices. Everything else has been addressed in the recent past.

 

[Millhouse]

I've been poking around all week on this stuff, and here's what I have been able to piece together. While some of the details may not make complete sense, the view from 10,000 feet is pretty clear.

Cantor was all about growth. Particularly growth in enrollment. In her time here, undergraduate enrollment grew about 25%. That can be viewed as good or bad. Many here lamented the drop in the Universities rankings and blamed it on relaxed admissions. I think you might be able to tie that all together. One person mentioned that 20k undergrad enrollment some day in the future may have been one of her goals. With increased enrollment and future plans to grow further and with SU already bulging at the seams to "fit" all of these students (I was told some transfer students are actually housed in a hotel), University property was of high value for academic purposes. Thus the talk and the plan to use Dome property for academic purposes.

This would necessitate a new athletic building and thus the 2 year old plan shown here. Cantor and Gross were big proponents. I'm not sure why the "new" plan financed mostly by the state and county popped up, but I assumed it was a combo of cost and the state wanting to out their stamp on local economic development. But one or the other were real plans and was supported by Cantors vision at SU. Gave her more real estate and have Gross a new toy.

Now comes the new chancellor and while I don't know his vision, I'm hearing he may be more of the mindset that the Dome property isn't necessarily needed and growth in enrollment should be slowed or reversed. He isn't tossing out any idea but is going to do his own due diligence and slowed down the "decision". The indecision on a new facility may be as much SU as it is the Mayor. But that's not a bad thing necessarily.

Having said that, and the Chancellor even alluded to it, other options are also being considered, such as a major renovation to the Dome. It was mentioned that a $100m makeover could be on the table. Besides numerous changes to the inside of the Dome, the big change could be adding to it with a building attached on the west side of the Dome. This would be a 4-5 story building that would go out from the Dome and over Irving in some way.

The building would serve many purposes, some which I forget, but included offices, classrooms, house Sports Management, changing and/or locker rooms for non-athletic events, media rooms, etc. The idea would also be to increase the number of days a year the Dome is used and be able to handle any type of event. The goal would supposedly be 200 days a year that some have estimated would be several millions more a year to the coffers.

That's all I got. I think every option is on the table. SU facility on SU property, Public facility on county or city property, or a renovated Dome.
Last edited: Jan 18, 2014
rrlbees, Jan 18, 2014 Report

i hope bees is right

this is less expensive than the other plan, i prefer having the building on campus, and most of all, I'm glad that Syverud is sh!tcanning Cantor's lowered standards.

 

[rrlbees]

i hope bees is right this is less expensive than the other plan, i prefer having the building on campus, and most of all, I'm glad that Syverud is sh!tcanning Cantor's lowered standards.

Don't know if it happens but it was/is a plan on the table. The poster saying he had heard of a major renovation reminded me of my oust of a few months ago.

 

[longtimefan]

How about just a fixed-see through roof like the new Minnesota stadium and blow out the West end of the stadium as Bees said.

This seems the way to go.

Re: the roof, I've read a bit about the new Minnesota dome, and the advanced technology of solid fixed glass. I wonder if SU could work with Corning Glass to develop something for the Dome. Keeps the money local. And if Corning can come up with Gorilla Glass, they could handle the Dome.

 

[JJReddawg]

Two interesting tidbits from this DO article from back in February:
http://www.dailyorange.com/2014/02/...of-its-kind-the-dome-remains-well-maintained/

1.) "Last year, he said, the company looked at changes that could be made to the stadium to improve it from an “operational,” “spectator” and “athletic” standpoint. Campbell said he couldn’t go into more detail."

2.) "The new roof is built with a stronger material and has at least a 30-year lifespan, said Dave Ricci, director of customer service and warranty for Birdair Inc., the company that manufactured the original and replacement roofs. The current roof would be 30 years old in 2029."

Even though it lists it as a "30-year lifespan", I'd imagine it would still have to be replaced sometime between 2019 and 2023.

 

[Whitey23]

I wonder if there are any workarounds for the Carrier name on the dome. (for example, enough work is done to separate the facility from the original purpose) Would be nice to use the name as a source of revenue.

 

[OttoMets]

The whole project may take 2 years but if it is more an "addition" versus blowing out the whole west end of the Dome, the disruption might be much less. I don't think we'd lose any season.

That's correct, no way we'd lose a season.

Concourse work and mechanicals would be done between commencement and the first football game (the summer basketball camps would need a new home, but that's it).

The addition on the west end would be constructed during that period and into the academic year. People would still access the Dome through most gates, but parts B, J and the uphill gates would be shut down, as would the sidewalk that connects the two sides.

 

[rrlbees]

That's correct, no way we'd lose a season. Concourse work and mechanicals would be done between commencement and the first football game (the summer basketball camps would need a new home, but that's it). The addition on the west end would be constructed during that period and into the academic year. People would still access the Dome through most gates, but parts B, J and the uphill gates would be shut down, as would the sidewalk that connects the two sides.

That's how I would envision it.

 

[shandeezy7]

There's a 3 month window from mid-May to mid-August when the roof can come down and the walls can be opened up. Build the annex alongside the Dome, and wait until the off-season to connect the two.

Maybe this can be coordinated to be done during the next scheduled roof replacement.

It's tricky, but not impossible.

I would think that, if absolutely necessary, they would find a temporary new home for lacrosse and graduation and get the process started in mid-March.

 

[BlackKnight76]

NO idea how feasible it is, but taking out the quad-facing side and building an atrium with classrooms and stuff to make it part academic building, and maybe with a hall of game and student center-ish area, would be really cool.

 

[upperdeck]

I would think that, if absolutely necessary, they would find a temporary new home for lacrosse and graduation and get the process started in mid-March.

when the IPF goes in you could use that for Lax and graduation.

 

[shandeezy7]

when the IPF goes in you could use that for Lax and graduation.

The IPF is not going to have any seating in it, as far as I understand

 

[orangeinjersey]

I've been poking around all week on this stuff, and here's what I have been able to piece together. While some of the details may not make complete sense, the view from 10,000 feet is pretty clear.

Cantor was all about growth. Particularly growth in enrollment. In her time here, undergraduate enrollment grew about 25%. That can be viewed as good or bad. Many here lamented the drop in the Universities rankings and blamed it on relaxed admissions. I think you might be able to tie that all together. One person mentioned that 20k undergrad enrollment some day in the future may have been one of her goals. With increased enrollment and future plans to grow further and with SU already bulging at the seams to "fit" all of these students (I was told some transfer students are actually housed in a hotel), University property was of high value for academic purposes. Thus the talk and the plan to use Dome property for academic purposes.

This would necessitate a new athletic building and thus the 2 year old plan shown here. Cantor and Gross were big proponents. I'm not sure why the "new" plan financed mostly by the state and county popped up, but I assumed it was a combo of cost and the state wanting to out their stamp on local economic development. But one or the other were real plans and was supported by Cantors vision at SU. Gave her more real estate and have Gross a new toy.

Now comes the new chancellor and while I don't know his vision, I'm hearing he may be more of the mindset that the Dome property isn't necessarily needed and growth in enrollment should be slowed or reversed. He isn't tossing out any idea but is going to do his own due diligence and slowed down the "decision". The indecision on a new facility may be as much SU as it is the Mayor. But that's not a bad thing necessarily.

Having said that, and the Chancellor even alluded to it, other options are also being considered, such as a major renovation to the Dome. It was mentioned that a $100m makeover could be on the table. Besides numerous changes to the inside of the Dome, the big change could be adding to it with a building attached on the west side of the Dome. This would be a 4-5 story building that would go out from the Dome and over Irving in some way.

The building would serve many purposes, some which I forget, but included offices, classrooms, house Sports Management, changing and/or locker rooms for non-athletic events, media rooms, etc. The idea would also be to increase the number of days a year the Dome is used and be able to handle any type of event. The goal would supposedly be 200 days a year that some have estimated would be several millions more a year to the coffers.

That's all I got. I think every option is on the table. SU facility on SU property, Public facility on county or city property, or a renovated Dome.
Last edited: Jan 18, 2014
rrlbees, Jan 18, 2014 Report

I was suprised to learn while staying at the sheraton during clemson weekend that they actually have a floor (or two) set up dorm style for SU students. I was shocked.

 

[TexanMark]

The IPF is not going to have any seating in it, as far as I understand

I think that is a mistake...love to see the figures for cost to put 3-5k pullout bleacher seating.

 

[bnoro]

I think that is a mistake...love to see the figures for cost to put 3-5k pullout bleacher seating.

Why do they need 3-5k worth of bleachers? total waste of money

 

[Millhouse]

Why do they need 3-5k worth of bleachers? total waste of money

economic development. magic multipliers

 

[SU2NASA]

I would think that, if absolutely necessary, they would find a temporary new home for lacrosse and graduation and get the process started in mid-March.

When Michigan renovated Michigan Stadium they ripped out and repoured the entire seating bowl. They just started early and did it in phases. I had graduation that year and the entire backdrop of the other side of the stadium was rubble.

You can kind of see it here:

 

[upperdeck]

The IPF is not going to have any seating in it, as far as I understand

chairs work.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Why do they need 3-5k worth of bleachers? total waste of money

Host 7 on 7 tournaments during HS vacations. Option to play w.lax games during hoops season. Let the soccer programs host indoor tournaments...seems like you could use the IPF at certain times to generate revenue and/or help make DG's monthly Porsche payments

 

[SUbear]

The whole project may take 2 years but if it is more an "addition" versus blowing out the whole west end of the Dome, the disruption might be much less. I don't think we'd lose any season.

West side additions, if done, access would be through air locks, no reason at all for dome events to be impacted because the air locks would be built first. The dome is at a higher pressure than outside or what would be in the additions.