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Gave your post a like. Going to nitpick a bit. Please know I appreciate your post.


1) I would defend my friends like you, so I get it. Whether they were a coach or a garbage man, wouldn’t matter. I can appreciate going to bat for a friend.

2) JB is not bigger than the program. He can’t leave whenever he wants. This needs to be managed. I’m not saying doing it disrespectfully, but he isn’t the only one to make the call.

3) He’s not a saint. None of us are. He’s played some kids that did some messed up stuff. He’s a coach that tries to win games. Point being, I’m not worshipping a god. He’s a man. Faults and all. He can be the bearer of some criticism, especially with the way he has talked about players in the media.

Again, appreciate your post. But JB doesn’t walk on water. He doesn’t get to make decisions with impunity.

Just my 0.02.
Fair enough. I too agree that he’s not “bigger than the program”- no one is or should be.
But, i think it’s fair to say that as long as he keeps winning, especially in the Dance w/ Sweet16’s, etc., then he won’t be going anywhere.
I fully expect him to cobble together a good team next year and have us right where we’ve been for all my adult life: (1) Winning record, and (2) postseason play.
And as frustrating as that might be for some fans, it’s his consistency that will allow him to “call his shot” on leaving. You don’t fire a guy who’s regularly won for 40+ years because he’s too old, or to have change for changes sake. JMHO
 

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Gave your post a like. Going to nitpick a bit. Please know I appreciate your post.


1) I would defend my friends like you, so I get it. Whether they were a coach or a garbage man, wouldn’t matter. I can appreciate going to bat for a friend.

2) JB is not bigger than the program. He can’t leave whenever he wants. This needs to be managed. I’m not saying doing it disrespectfully, but he isn’t the only one to make the call.

3) He’s not a saint. None of us are. He’s played some kids that did some messed up stuff. He’s a coach that tries to win games. Point being, I’m not worshipping a god. He’s a man. Faults and all. He can be the bearer of some criticism, especially with the way he has talked about players in the media.

Again, appreciate your post. But JB doesn’t walk on water. He doesn’t get to make decisions with impunity.

Just my 0.02.
Just to reiterate what OP said:

"He's going to leave when he wants to ... He's earned that. The people that see it differently will have to wait until he's gone."

All that stuff about him not being a saint or being a man, not a god, or not walking on water are just nonsense strawmen.
 
Just to reiterate what OP said:

"He's going to leave when he wants to ... He's earned that. The people that see it differently will have to wait until he's gone."

All that stuff about him not being a saint or being a man, not a god, or not walking on water are just nonsense strawmen.

JB not being a god is a nonsense strawman?
 
So the program folds when he leaves? SU will trudge onwards with or without him

John A. R. Scott.....Edmund Dollard...Lew Andreas...Marc Guley......Fred Lewis....Roy Danforth.....Jim Boeheim.......????

That's Syracuse basketball.

(In my original post the number of periods between the names was the number of years they coached here. The system 'corrected it'.)
 
He has absolutely earned the right to walk away when he chooses for all he has done at and for SU. If that means we hover on the bubble for a couple more years when he’s not at his best, so be it. If you could get Nick Sagan right now for the football program, win and be top 20 for the next 20 years but then suffer in mediocrity for the last couple would you sign up for that? Of course you would.
Not last couple. We're approaching ten years now, and we're running a string of 13-15 loss years and inability to recruit at center position, crucial to the zone.
 
He has absolutely earned the right to walk away when he chooses for all he has done at and for SU. If that means we hover on the bubble for a couple more years when he’s not at his best, so be it. If you could get Nick Sagan right now for the football program, win and be top 20 for the next 20 years but then suffer in mediocrity for the last couple would you sign up for that? Of course you would.

Is Nick related to Carl?

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When my friends and family said JB is a whiner I said yes but he’s our whiner when they said he is a caustic person I said yes but he’s ours when they said he must go I said on his own terms he’s earned it
 
Gave your post a like. Going to nitpick a bit. Please know I appreciate your post.


1) I would defend my friends like you, so I get it. Whether they were a coach or a garbage man, wouldn’t matter. I can appreciate going to bat for a friend.

2) JB is not bigger than the program. He can’t leave whenever he wants. This needs to be managed. I’m not saying doing it disrespectfully, but he isn’t the only one to make the call.

3) He’s not a saint. None of us are. He’s played some kids that did some messed up stuff. He’s a coach that tries to win games. Point being, I’m not worshipping a god. He’s a man. Faults and all. He can be the bearer of some criticism, especially with the way he has talked about players in the media.

Again, appreciate your post. But JB doesn’t walk on water. He doesn’t get to make decisions with impunity.

Just my 0.02.

MikeSU02

Thank you for appreciating my post, liking it and to everyone who gave me a like, thank you.

I wasn't going to respond to your post but thought better of it.

What I wrote yesterday was what I know about him as a friend, and thought people would find what little I wrote interesting. I was not defending him. I was telling people here what he was like as a younger coach and continued to develop the very real history of Syracuse Basketball under Jim Boeheim until today with things he has to deal with now.

Of course Jim does not walk on water, is not a god or saint or harbor impunity. Because I write positve things with some criticism of him does not make him a god. Those things never entered my mind. He is very much a human being like anyone here. The scandal of recent years shows that and has had a profound effect on the program and yet he still moves things forward and squeaks into the NCAA's and manages a few sweet sixteens and elite eights here and there.

In my reply to you, I would say he has made SU and himself into a program that people here love and also those who love to complain about. It's a consistent narrative of, “he really should retire,” and the week after that, when we've beaten another team badly, “finally a nice job by Boeheim but we're still on the bubble.”

When you have made something(s) consistently good it promotes discussion from the people that like what you've done and those that don't. The result is that what he's done is create so much interest in Syracuse Basketball that he and this program are discussed regularly by professional journalists, and sports writers and is interviewed by all the top sports talk show hosts making the program one that gets discussed and dissected regularly. We are a constant headline even though the players are, some think, terrible or another project. Even if you don't agree, Syracuse Basketball is very relevant and in the headlines every season.

You are usually the recipient of how much time you put into your job, how hard you work and how good you are at it and Jim is a very good example of someone who puts it all in every day. I've seen it. I never thought he was staying this long although he mentioned several times how much he enjoyed coaching Syracuse followed by a sigh and a rub of his nose and face.

I agree that today it's hard to bring in a player who is a project and coach that player up until he becomes a PLAYER. I do not think you can do that today. It's why there are over 1,100 players in the Transfer Portal. The best are going to play at this high major level. It used to be you could do that but now you better be ready because your peers are waiting and the target's on your back – so it's tireless and exhausting recruiting for everyone, every assistant and head coach, leased, owned jet or not, today it's necessary to stay involved and be competitive with the pack or if you aren't you'll realize the results in a very poor season. And in most top programs your top recruit instead of staying 3 – 4 years, as in years past, will stay one and you start recruiting someone like him/them all over again. Perhaps the Transfer Portal will alleviate some of the road work?

I know how hard Jim has worked to attain the record he has and we and Syracuse are the beneficiaries of one hell of a coach, IMO. I do still think he has earned the right to stay as long as as he can and as he said, “I'll stay if I can still win and bring in good players”. I do not think Jim is a lingerer. He'll know when to go and I can see he and JW having that final discussion.

There will be hoorays and people with tears in their eyes and some may break down and cry.

I know Juli will and the rest of his family may be down and want to hug him for a long time.

But if he can, and has his health, he'll be out on the course or putting green enjoying his golf game. And just think, for many of us, for most of our lives, Jim will have given to us the ability to watch, yell, scream, smile, boo, shout all kinds of good and bad things at him and our team.

And when you look at his record and all he has given of himself to one institution, OURS – it's not all that bad - it's GOOD! And we all got to share in it.
 
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MikeSU02

Thank you for appreciating my post, liking it and to everyone who gave me a like, thank you.

I wasn't going to respond to your post but thought better of it.

What I wrote yesterday was what I know about him as a friend, and thought people would find what little I wrote interesting. I was not defending him. I was telling people here what he was like as a younger coach and continued to develop the very real history of Syracuse Basketball under Jim Boeheim until today with things he has to deal with now.

Of course Jim does not walk on water, is not a god or saint or harbor impunity. Because I write positve things with some criticism of him does not make him a god. Those things never entered my mind. He is very much a human being like anyone here. The scandal of recent years shows that and has had a profound effect on the program and yet he still moves things forward and squeaks into the NCAA's and manages a few sweet sixteens and elite eights here and there.

In my reply to you, I would say he has made SU and himself into a program that people here love and also those who love to complain about. It's a consistent narrative of, “he really should retire,” and the week after that, when we've beaten another team badly, “finally a nice job by Boeheim but we're still on the bubble.”

When you have made something(s) consistently good it promotes discussion from the people that like what you've done and those that don't. The result is that what he's done is create so much interest in Syracuse Basketball that he and this program are discussed regularly by professional journalists, and sports writers and is interviewed by all the top sports talk show hosts making the program one that gets discussed and dissected regularly. We are a constant headline even though the players are, some think, terrible or another project. Even if you don't agree, Syracuse Basketball is very relevant and in the headlines every season.

You are usually the recipient of how much time you put into your job, how hard you work and how good you are at it and Jim is a very good example of someone who puts it all in every day. I've seen it. I never thought he was staying this long although he mentioned several times how much he enjoyed coaching Syracuse followed by a sigh and a rub of his nose and face.

I agree that today it's hard to bring in a player who is a project and coach that player up until he becomes a PLAYER. I do not think you can do that today. It's why there are over 1,100 players in the Transfer Portal. The best are going to play at this high major level. It used to be you could do that but now you better be ready because your peers are waiting and the target's on your back – so it's tireless and exhausting recruiting for everyone, every assistant and head coach, leased, owned jet or not today it's necessary to stay involved and be competitive with the pack or if you aren't you'll realize the results in a very poor season. And in most top programs your top recruit instead of staying 3 – 4 years, as in years past, will stay one and you start recruiting someone like him/them all over again. Perhaps the Transfer Portal will alleviate some of the road work?

I know how hard Jim has worked to attain the record he has and we and Syracuse are the beneficiaries of one hell of a coach, IMO. I do still think he has earned the right to stay as long as as he can and as he said, “I'll stay if I can still win and bring in good players”. I do not think Jim is a lingerer. He'll know when to go and I can see he and JW having that final discussion.

There will be hoorays and people with tears in their eyes and some may break down and cry.

I know Juli will and the rest of his family may be down and want to hug him for a long time.

But if he can, and has his health, he'll be out on the course or putting green enjoying his golf game. And just think, for many of us, for most of our lives, Jim will have given to us the ability to watch, yell, scream, smile, boo, shout all kinds of good and bad things at him and our team.

And when you look at his record and all he has given of himself to one institution, OURS – it's not all that bad - it's GOOD! And we got to share in it.
Just very, very, well said. Thank you sir.
 
I am a friend of Jim's. Used to pick him up about 4P.M. with another friend of his at Bradley Airport in CT when they were in town to play UConn. The team would go to the Marriott and we'd take Jim to the best kid(s) he was recruiting in CT. Sat through many BB games with him until he was satisfied before going to dinner at a diner at midnight.

Knowing him as a coach and person, he's a really nice person. As a coach he's a grinder.

He doesn't like good, experienced players making mistakes like Allen Griffin. He will call you off the court and get right into your problem that he just told you how to correct and you did it again. It's like dealing with little kids but they are not kids and after awhile they don't like it and this year they have an option to get him out of their face and go play more minutes for somebody else. Hope it works out for them.

He can't afford to have people continually making the same mistakes at this level. As far as picking the right person for the positions we have to fill with the right player from the Transfer Portal we'll see. It's like art. It's all subjective. I hope I am wrong about this but he and his coaches will pick someone they think is going to fill the positions for next year and fifty to one hundred here will think he's wrong. Or, they won't know how those picks are going to work out with the players who've chosen to stay.

He was right when his eighth grade teacher told him he wasn't going to please everybody, especially a basketball coach - none of us can please our bosses, family friends 100 per cent of the time.

At seventy six your effort is, I have to guess, not what it was at 38. There's not a whole lot you can do. The man was a bright, coaching mind when he started out in 1976-77 at 26-4.


He continued that run for 45 years. He's going to leave when he wants to. With 39 - 20+ win seasons, 6 - 30+ win seasons a total of 1083, (101included), wins vs. 408 losses .726. He's earned that. The people that see it differently will have to wait until he's gone.

I am guessing he's leaning on his assistant coaches a bit in recruiting and coaching practices but I am still his biggest fan.
Everything your saying is pretty much true and yes I think you're right he is pretty much earned that right but at the same time I think he has responsibility to himself and the program to go out at the right time
 
MikeSU02

Thank you for appreciating my post, liking it and to everyone who gave me a like, thank you.

I wasn't going to respond to your post but thought better of it.

What I wrote yesterday was what I know about him as a friend, and thought people would find what little I wrote interesting. I was not defending him. I was telling people here what he was like as a younger coach and continued to develop the very real history of Syracuse Basketball under Jim Boeheim until today with things he has to deal with now.

Of course Jim does not walk on water, is not a god or saint or harbor impunity. Because I write positve things with some criticism of him does not make him a god. Those things never entered my mind. He is very much a human being like anyone here. The scandal of recent years shows that and has had a profound effect on the program and yet he still moves things forward and squeaks into the NCAA's and manages a few sweet sixteens and elite eights here and there.

In my reply to you, I would say he has made SU and himself into a program that people here love and also those who love to complain about. It's a consistent narrative of, “he really should retire,” and the week after that, when we've beaten another team badly, “finally a nice job by Boeheim but we're still on the bubble.”

When you have made something(s) consistently good it promotes discussion from the people that like what you've done and those that don't. The result is that what he's done is create so much interest in Syracuse Basketball that he and this program are discussed regularly by professional journalists, and sports writers and is interviewed by all the top sports talk show hosts making the program one that gets discussed and dissected regularly. We are a constant headline even though the players are, some think, terrible or another project. Even if you don't agree, Syracuse Basketball is very relevant and in the headlines every season.

You are usually the recipient of how much time you put into your job, how hard you work and how good you are at it and Jim is a very good example of someone who puts it all in every day. I've seen it. I never thought he was staying this long although he mentioned several times how much he enjoyed coaching Syracuse followed by a sigh and a rub of his nose and face.

I agree that today it's hard to bring in a player who is a project and coach that player up until he becomes a PLAYER. I do not think you can do that today. It's why there are over 1,100 players in the Transfer Portal. The best are going to play at this high major level. It used to be you could do that but now you better be ready because your peers are waiting and the target's on your back – so it's tireless and exhausting recruiting for everyone, every assistant and head coach, leased, owned jet or not today it's necessary to stay involved and be competitive with the pack or if you aren't you'll realize the results in a very poor season. And in most top programs your top recruit instead of staying 3 – 4 years, as in years past, will stay one and you start recruiting someone like him/them all over again. Perhaps the Transfer Portal will alleviate some of the road work?

I know how hard Jim has worked to attain the record he has and we and Syracuse are the beneficiaries of one hell of a coach, IMO. I do still think he has earned the right to stay as long as as he can and as he said, “I'll stay if I can still win and bring in good players”. I do not think Jim is a lingerer. He'll know when to go and I can see he and JW having that final discussion.

There will be hoorays and people with tears in their eyes and some may break down and cry.

I know Juli will and the rest of his family may be down and want to hug him for a long time.

But if he can, and has his health, he'll be out on the course or putting green enjoying his golf game. And just think, for many of us, for most of our lives, Jim will have given to us the ability to watch, yell, scream, smile, boo, shout all kinds of good and bad things at him and our team.

And when you look at his record and all he has given of himself to one institution, OURS – it's not all that bad - it's GOOD! And we got to share in it.

Appreciate your response. I mean this: I hope you and JB have many more days as friends and you continue to have stories to relay.

Again, appreciate the thoughtful response.
 
2020-2021 winning percentage highest since 2013-2014.
Covid. Many games lost, and they were against superior teams. I figure the obvious wouldn't need to be stated here.
 
Everything your saying is pretty much true and yes I think you're right he is pretty much earned that right but at the same time I think he has responsibility to himself and the program to go out at the right time
Therein lies the rub. The "right time" can be very subjective.
As long as he keeps making the Dance & getting into the 2nd weekend, he'll get to call his own shot. There are programs that would kill to have that type of "problem"...only getting to the Sweet16/Elite8 every other year, and never having a losing record. Woe is us! LOL
 

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